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Devil may care said:
It clearly is in large part the players, to implement the style your forwards have to be self sufficient, we had Rooney, Martial, Lingard and Mata for a large chunk of the season, I don't think many managers would have gotten a lot out of them in a system that requires players to be able to create something off their own bat.

As far as ball carriers go, we didn't have one in midfield but Iniesta is the only one Pep has used, I wouldn't consider Vidal or Thiago ball carriers by any stretch. Pep is also very demanding about when to shoot, something documented by former players. Both men are obsessive over controlling every aspect of the players, does he allow more freedom for the front 3 or 4 or did our players lack the individual talent to do much with it? I'd say the latter.

LvG's man management is the drizzling shits though, where as Pep seems to be able to motivate and communicate with his men and keep the morale high, LvG by all accounts ran a dictatorship at times at United.
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Thiago has great ability as a ball carrier, and its no surprise to me that Pep has already signed Gundogan for City.
Its not only about the forwards, in the possession game you need a seriously good midfield, including one that can dictate and change the tempo, a ball carrier is essential also to change the point of threat and create space for the attackers
 
Devil may care said:
It clearly is in large part the players, to implement the style your forwards have to be self sufficient, we had Rooney, Martial, Lingard and Mata for a large chunk of the season, I don't think many managers would have gotten a lot out of them in a system that requires players to be able to create something off their own bat.

As far as ball carriers go, we didn't have one in midfield but Iniesta is the only one Pep has used, I wouldn't consider Vidal or Thiago ball carriers by any stretch. Pep is also very demanding about when to shoot, something documented by former players. Both men are obsessive over controlling every aspect of the players, does he allow more freedom for the front 3 or 4 or did our players lack the individual talent to do much with it? I'd say the latter.

LvG's man management is the drizzling shits though, where as Pep seems to be able to motivate and communicate with his men and keep the morale high, LvG by all accounts ran a dictatorship at times at United.
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How are Thiago and Vidal not ball carriers? Thiago is one of the best midfielders around at taking players on and Vidal is one of the more powerful midfield runners around.
 
Giggs86 said:
I think it's pretty much the norm these days. Clubs avoid signing managers on 5-6 year deals to reduce the severance pay in case they're fired.
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Fair enough.

FWIW, I think Jose is here for the long haul anyway.
 
Cassidy said:
Thiago has great ability as a ball carrier, and its no surprise to me that Pep has already signed Gundogan for City.
Its not only about the forwards, in the possession game you need a seriously good midfield, including one that can dictate and change the tempo, a ball carrier is essential also to change the point of threat and create space for the attackers
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We didn't acquire one of those but LvG used them in the past with Seedorf at Ajax for instance or even Dembele at AZ, so I imagine one was on the agenda.

Bob Loblaw said:
How are Thiago and Vidal not ball carriers? Thiago is one of the best midfielders around at taking players on and Vidal is one of the more powerful midfield runners around.
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Vidal runs off the ball, not with it, basically what Herrera was supposed to be for. As far as Thiago goes, at Bayern I think he's been much more of a passer than a runner when I've seen him, certainly not the same way Pep used Iniesta.
 
The problem Pep could have is his away record in the CL. Barca and Bayern are so dominant v 90% of opposition that plan A always works. In the CL facing confident sides with top managers he would struggle away from home. There's away games when he is clearly set up for a draw or not to lose. Get them back to their place and completly overwhelm them simply because they are a better side.
In the PL Pep will have those other top managers in his domestic league. He doesn't have to be in the CL to face them plus he hasn't the side that is so far ahead of the rest that he can rely on steamrollering them at the Etihad.
He will have to adapt his tactics to the opposition a lot more than he ever has. This is the way we play and we will be loyal to that style simply will not work in English football imo. You get Arsenaled.
This is where Jose comes out on top. He analyses the opposition and factors that into his match day tactics a lot more than Pep does.
Look at their Spanish rivallry. The heavy defeats came early on for Jose and as the games went by that margin got smaller and smaller to the point of it being a genuine contest between the two sides. I think their last Classico resulted in an under strength Madrid side winning 3-0 away? It was one of the last anyway.
Jose was adapting every game while Pep was struggling against all that pressure and it continued to build and build.
 
Devil may care said:
Pep's approach is similar to LvG's but he's had much better players to implement it with at Barca and Bayern.
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If the players weren't right, it was his own fault: he signed most of them.

One thing that disturbed me about LVG was his tendency to talk in generalities about the 'type' of player he needed - 'a speedy winger' etc. - and, as he was leaving, the fact that 'we' weren't able to supply him with one. Other than players he'd coached in the past, how much did he know about top players around the world? My impression is he didn't know much, and that was obviously a weakness in a set-up like United's, with no knowledgeable football people higher up the chain of command.

Waiting for Ed Woodward, or our enfeebled scout system, to suggest players to him wasn't ideal. In my opinion, with the club as it's presently structured, a United manager needs to know the players that he wants, and play an active role in making sure that he gets them. I'm hoping Mourinho fits that bill.
 
Will Absolute said:
If the players weren't right, it was his own fault: he signed most of them.

One thing that disturbed me about LVG was his tendency to talk in generalities about the 'type' of player he needed - 'a speedy winger' etc. - and, as he was leaving, the fact that 'we' weren't able to supply him with one. Other than players he'd coached in the past, how much did he know about top players around the world? My impression is he didn't know much, and that was obviously a weakness in a set-up like United's, with no knowledgeable football people higher up the chain of command.

Waiting for Ed Woodward, or our enfeebled scout system, to suggest players to him wasn't ideal. In my opinion, with the club as it's presently structured, a United manager needs to know the players that he wants, and play an active role in making sure that he gets them. I'm hoping Mourinho fits that bill.
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I wasn't taking any blame off LvG, I was only comparing the similarity in system styles and how it was doomed to fail here because we didn't have the talent required to make such a demanding style work.

You're right, our current model where the manager has so much responsibility is not really suited to the modern game, of course a manager should have final say but having a bigwig who's specialty is player recruitment to advise the manage is very important, and we are still lagging behind in that regard.
 
Sense from Arsenal Mania:

''I love all this sanctimonious **** in the media about how Mourinho isn't classy enough for Utd, people queuing up to say how he doesn't fit the ethos of the club.
As though Ferguson wasn't a nasty ****ing bastard''
 
K2K said:
Sense from Arsenal Mania:

''I love all this sanctimonious **** in the media about how Mourinho isn't classy enough for Utd, people queuing up to say how he doesn't fit the ethos of the club.
As though Ferguson wasn't a nasty ****ing bastard''
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Can't believe I'm reading that from an Arse supporter. Well said:D
 
K2K said:
Sense from Arsenal Mania:

''I love all this sanctimonious **** in the media about how Mourinho isn't classy enough for Utd, people queuing up to say how he doesn't fit the ethos of the club.
As though Ferguson wasn't a nasty ****ing bastard''
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And that's exactly what our club have been missing for three years, a nasty fecking bastard.
 
TheNewEra said:
Not saying he was a gimmick player, but his role in the CL sides was to simply disrupt play. I liked him in 2005/6 when he came he was good at PSV too but in the CL for United he was there to bring energy to the side and break up play.

My point anyway reverting to the topic now is adaptability in the CL and I feel Mourinho maybe will do that a little bit better in the CL.
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When was the last time he knocked out a big team in the CL? Us thanks to the ridiculous red card I can think of. Before that Bayern in the final 2010. He reached 3 semis with Real but can't remember him beating any favorite or even half favorite on the way.

Not saying his CL record is awful but I am interested to know on what basis you think he will do better in the CL?
 
I could understand reservations about the style of football although I find that myth about Mourinho playing negative football laughable but it's constantly doing rounds.

But him not being good for us cause he's a bastard and won't go well with our angel status and with our beautiful ethics is completely ridiculous.

One of the motto of our club is We're Man United, we do what we want'. During Fergie era we were sometimes bastards and I love our club because of that tbh. We would whatever it took to win and we would win in the end. Beginning with Fergie and to the players.

We'll have our cnut as a manager and we need him to go into battle and go back to the top where we were used to be.

Can't stand all those Pep stories, Pep this, Pep that. He's not all that, he'll find it difficult at City and that 'he's a nice guy' theory is getting on my nerves too. He potrays himself as some nice guy but he had his mental moments and he's kind of weird. Whoever tries too hard to portray himself as mr Nice guy is weird and not sincere.

 
This will go on till tomorrow evening. I hope we get a good long interview with mou about his plans.
 
I have a vacation on Thursday and Friday. Nice two days to keep track what's going on and read everything regarding Jose coming.

Great success.
 
vk20legend said:
The problem Jose had at Chelsea.. I don't see it happening here for him.

  • He will probably get full control over who comes in and who goes out.
  • We've proven that we don't sack our manager that easily and give the manager all the chances to make it right.
  • We won't sack him if he can't deliver a title or UCL every year.
  • Above all, we've seen our players this season and whatever we can say about our season, the players didn't down tools after December but still carried on playing the way LvG wanted till the last game. Had we had a similar set of results to December in Jan, maybe the manager would've been gone. But we didn't do that and did pick up wins through the season against the big teams.
  • Sure we lost out on CL places, but I don't believe collectively the squad played badly on purpose to get rid of the manager. You can't say the same with Chelsea this season.
I still believe our sqaud is not in need of a major revamp but a few good additions and a little bit more luck in terms of injuries with a better manager(which we are gonna get) can really make a good run next season.

Fingers crossed.
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I think part of Chelsea's collapse was due to management not supporting Mourinho any longer, hence allowing their players an excuse for their attitude. This is one aspect I doubt will be the case here, as I think our management trusts a manager longer.
 
Please tell me there's no one left who's unsure of Jose managing United anymore...

:drool: I can barely wait
 
Cee90 said:
Fair enough.

FWIW, I think Jose is here for the long haul anyway.
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I hope so. I want him to be here for the next 10 years, while winning lots of trophies.

With regard the 3 year contract, it makes no difference.
If he is crap, he can be fired in 10 months (like Moyes).
If he is fantastic, he will be given contract extensions, as the seasons pass (like Fergie).
 
sunama said:
I hope so. I want him to be here for the next 10 years, while winning lots of trophies.

With regard the 3 year contract, it makes no difference.
If he is crap, he can be fired in 10 months (like Moyes).
If he is fantastic, he will be given contract extensions, as the seasons pass (like Fergie).
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Yep. Those contracts doesn't mean anything regarding the actual length of employment. They're only in place to cover technical issues like fixed salary over certain term, severance pay etc.
 
JoMo, RuFa, RyGi - why is our new management team a collection of tropical house DJs?
 
sunama said:
I hope so. I want him to be here for the next 10 years, while winning lots of trophies.

With regard the 3 year contract, it makes no difference.
If he is crap, he can be fired in 10 months (like Moyes).
If he is fantastic, he will be given contract extensions, as the seasons pass (like Fergie).
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Me too - I feel at United he has the right platform and everything he needs to re-build the club and make us one of the best again.

Very excited for next season, that's for sure.
 
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