It's not crazy, he is wrong. And I have every right to state it.
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It's not crazy, he is wrong. And I have every right to state it.
It is, when you think about it - it's the equivalent of excellent safety play in snooker.What?
My cock is tired. Is it on yet?
This. As I explained in the Pep's Bayern time thread, people was baffled by Pep's naive approach vs Barcelona at Nou Camp last season. He tried back 3/back 5 man marking vs Barcelona front 3 in hot form. And Bayern missed key attacking players for this kind of blow for blow approach in this game. This is naively suicidal, not genius attacking oriented football. Bayern was lucky to go into halftime with a clean sheet. Pep turned back to usual 4-3-3 after half time and threw this tie away with 3 nil defeat. This indicated Pep had absolute no plan B or any plans to counter a superior Barcelona team, which he's often given much credit to know that team inside out. The key here is 'superior', which Pep and Bayern rarely have a chance to face.
A long term manager would face a time when his team goes into transition to fulfill a cycle. In this case, the team would be weaker than it used to be, so the manager needs to adapt as an inferior team. Pep up till now showed no will to learn to adapt to have inferior team. This means as soon as his team declines, he sees his team as lose the fire and his personal project being stalled. He then brings his project to the next superior club! He treats the clubs as his personal project. This is no way similar to Sir Matt Busby and SAF team which goes against obstacle to succeed. Manchester United is not simply an attacking team, but a team who goes against tough challenges and thrive.
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That was Moyes second game. He was most likely suspecting a tough game. I don't think anyone expected us to be that bad that season. And Pep couldn't break down a Moyes team that was getting embarrassed by City and Liverpool at the time. Despite having better players.
The work Enrique is doing at Barca puts a downer on me for Pep. Enrique wasn't impressive before he came to Barca. But he didn't have the best players. Pep in both cases has.
Guardiola has nothing in common with United that's what I'm saying, the football style is different and the mentality instilled by SAF is different.
SBC was at this one
Cant remember with Moyes.
The real question is what type of mouse pad he will get
No it's not. Playing with your back 4 pushed up to the half way line and pro-actively going about to win the game is definitely less "cowardly" than camping in your half all game looking for a 0-0.
While I do think possession football has pragmatic elements, calling it the ultimate cowardly tactic is laughable.
I think it does come down to pragmatism. But also in the sense of what is more important, football as art, or winning? I understand this was at the centre of Cruyff's dispute with Van Gaal as well. For Van Gaal, winning was most important, he was willing to be pragmatic, or sacrifice entertainment, to achieve it. Mourinho is the best example in the world of this ethos, and I feel SAF also proved in his last years what side of the fence he was on too. As I understand it, for Cruyff it was better to lose the right way than sacrifice principles to win. I think Guardiola is also a purist in this way, and I imagine Cantona would feel the same way as well.
Playing on the front foot all the time was definitely a SAF (until maybe late in his career) and Pep thing. Looking for 0-0 in big games is not, and is more of a Mourinho thing.
The real question is what type of mouse pad he will get
Where do I get a mousepad like that? Looks great tbf
Are you calling my Serious Football Posts laughable?!?
EDIT: Oh yes, you are...
You cheeky monkey. I challenge you to a duel.
Good post, chief.
I'm not in the business of getting into a debate about who is the better manager.
They are both great managers, his work at Barca should not be undermined, just because Enrique won a treble too. Barca dominated Europe for a good 4/5 years, one of Fergies best United sides would have if it wasn't for them.
Guardiola very often played for a draw away from home in CL.
PS: The worst thing in all of this is that I prefer Guardiola's approach to the game.
Pretty much nailed it
Maybe that's why Guardiola has a poor away record in the champions league?
Playing on the front foot was also a Wenger thing. Fergie then realised we couldn't go toe to toe with Arsenal, so we'd kick the shit out of them instead.
It worked for Wenger when he had Henry, Bergkamp, Vieira, Pires and Campbell.
Mourinho played for a draw vs us last season at Stamford Bridge. I don't think anyone is saying Pep cannot be pragmatic, simply that Mourinho is more so
Any more news on his unveiling?
Did he feck.
He had us sussed out. We'd keep the ball pointlessly and they would hit us on the counter with Hazard.
Everton did the same a week later and so did West Brom.
I honestly dont think we had one person who fully supported LVG right to the bitter end
Unless you mean still hoping the team wins with him in charge, in which case I would be guilty
Didn't Pep have a terrible away record at Barca in the CL?
Oddly enough I hated Pep's Barcelona at the time.
But I definitely think Pep's teams usually take charge of games. It's a more front-footed approach to me than Mourinho's nullfying tactics. And in the eyes of many, more synonymous with beauty, artistry etc.
Possibly. But that's I suppose what Eric sees in common with most of SAF's career.
Besides, like I've said, he probably, in addition, to pro-activeness he probably just found that Barca team the one that gave a technical player like him the most joy.
Pah, any old twit could manage Barca, with their stellar strikers like Messi and Neymar and...that git. Any Liga team that plays them needs three snookers by half-time.
We missed 2/3 chances before he changed his approach. It was similar to the game at OT.
Of course they always had the counter attack threat but we had more than enough chances to take the lead in that game.
In any case after Jan that season, Chelseas attacking play went straight out of the window, after that 5-3 at WHL.
Nailed it. And SAF, United way under him is not this. Even SAF most attacking side played to win. SAF would throw plan B C D F... 5 forwards and started pumping ball into the box just to get the needed goal than play nicely when result matters. People being over romantic toward the time when SAF had superior team which allowed us to play almost everyone off the park, and ignored when rivals matched or eclipsed our attacking prowess where SAF just went for the result.
We with Co92 went to Bernabeu in 2000 and camped out for a draw. We tried the same tactic in 2003 against Galaticos but failed then went into damage control mode to see out 3-1 defeat in the first leg. And look at this
We tried to break Arsenal superior attacking game by being physical. This is before we went deeper into deep lying counter attacking mode after Milan game. These are no way few outliers. Just prime/easy to see examples, so people can distinct the myth of United Co92 or early Ronaldo time being purely attacking like Pep's purist approach.
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Good point. Can people really see Pep shutting up shop like that mid way through a season?
Look, noone is saying Mourinho teams don't attack or Pep's teams always attack, but Mourinho does, to me, to be extremely pragmatic, pretty conservative, opposition-nullifying tactics heavy manager first and foremost, whereas Pep (who can also be pragmatic) appears, to me, to be more of an idealistic manager who likes to win his own way and try to control the game and try to win playing pretty football (in the eyes of some, and him, of course).
That doesn't mean they don't play each other's roles sometimes.
But I know that I'm going to accept Mourinho being that manager and quietly hope to be pleasantly surprised. Barring his Madrid team, I found all his team's tedious. Hopefully his United team wont be. Given our recent standards, it probably wont.
Always thought he looked young-ish but he's aged... Looks like a bumbling old man in that vid.
You found Porto, his first Chelsea team and Inter tedious?
All above three teams played good football. His Chelsea teams played Barca off the park when they had Ronaldinho and co. But people forget that.
I get what you are saying, but Pep can't just walk into City and expect to dominate every team in the Prem like this.
Bayern had very little competition in the league and at Barca, his team was quite superior.
At City, I expect to see a plan B from pep, or I think he could struggle
Not everybody is majestic as you.
Yep.
He'd have the same struggles that Wenger had when he only had one way of playing.
Porto were alright. Didn't enjoy his Chelsea and Inter team's much at all. They were functional and effective and obviously excellent, but they lacked a certain joy to their football for me. Ancelotti's Chelsea, for example, had it, even if they weren't as gooda a team.
Ancelotti looked young-ish? What? That'll certainly raise a few eye brows. The man's looked 60 for 25 years!
It's his second/third language, he speaks good english given the circumstances. Would love Ancellotti here at some point, very likeable man and one of the best managers in the world, probably the best not in England.
Jose back at home in London.
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