Mourinho to United | Officially Announced

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TehRed said:
Within the next 48 hours, apparently. According to Sky anyways. Probably not far off. I mean, it's not like it's not going to happen, now.
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They're gonna announce it on 26th May isn't it.. On the birth anniversary of Sir Matt and it's probably gonna give some ABUs and morons at RAWK and some Journos to probably write more about how Jose is not the right man and how we're making a deal with the devil and shredding our legacy..

I predict some might even go to the lengths of how Sir Matt is turning in his grave.. All for a few clicks and sowing more doubt before he even takes over..

Also a good chance they'll bring up 1999 CL finals since it would be 17 years to that day and ask if Jose might have played the same way like on that night or the man taking over might never play that brand of football..

What are the chances of these stories going around in two days eh?!
 
JPRouve said:
Guardiola very often played for a draw away from home in CL.
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There is nothing wrong with this.
It's all about tactics. No team can expect to win every single game. I don't care who you are.
Even Barca lost in the CL, this year. So did the much fancied Bayern.
Barca also started losing in league games, allowing R.Madrid to almost beat them.

A club needs a manager who can adapt his tactics, according to the team he is playing against and the form of the 2 teams.
 
If we sacked Jose during the first season, no other top manager will want to come to United. United will be known as the Sir Alex curse.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Mourinho's started to look really old and jaded as well. I'm hoping we see him look a bit more spritely and get some of his old swagger back. If managing United wont do it, nothing will!
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Mourinho has cut his hair very short and got a little fatter. When he was at Chelsea, he looked young and spritely.
In any case, I don't care what he looks like, I want him to do what he does best: WIN!!!
 
I refuse to support him unless he stops getting his hair cut by the Council, the scruffy Shreddie-headed twit.
 
vk20legend said:
They're gonna announce it on 26th May isn't it.. On the birth anniversary of Sir Matt and it's probably gonna give some ABUs and morons at RAWK and some Journos to probably write more about how Jose is not the right man and how we're making a deal with the devil and shredding our legacy..
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Probably, but I don't subscribe to the "he's the wrong man for United" bandwagon, personally. He's a serial winner, he knows the PL, he's a tactical master... what is there not to like? The football he had Chelsea playing when he first joined was magnificent, and he was in charge of Real Madrid, not exactly known for being a defensive team. He's got what it takes to win, and he can set teams up to play good football. We're in safe hands, for a few years at least.
 
JPRouve said:
Guardiola's type of football isn't always great to watch and it isn't a lot better than Mourinho's, a lot of people don't like possession football particularly in England.
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Pep's approach is similar to LvG's but he's had much better players to implement it with at Barca and Bayern.
 
peridigm said:
If we sacked Jose during the first season, no other top manager will want to come to United. United will be known as the Sir Alex curse.
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He'd have to make an absolute insane hash of it to be sacked in the first season.

Moyes lasted until about April for goodness sake, having picked up the league leaders.
 
peridigm said:
If we sacked Jose during the first season, no other top manager will want to come to United. United will be known as the Sir Alex curse.
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You'll be surprised. Just as we see top managers wanting to manage Madrid, top managers will still want to come to us.
You are right in that we don't want to be known as a club who sack their manager every 10-24 months.
Personally I think we need to give Jose a lot of lee-way, so he has every chance of success. If we get rid of him, there isn't anybody else who is more highly rated, who we can hire. (Guardiola wont be moving to us from MCFC).
 
sunama said:
You'll be surprised. Just as we see top managers wanting to manage Madrid, top managers will still want to come to us.
You are right in that we don't want to be known as a club who sack their manager every 10-24 months.
Personally I think we need to give Jose a lot of lee-way, so he has every chance of success. If we get rid of him, there isn't anybody else who is more highly rated, who we can hire. (Guardiola wont be moving to us from MCFC).
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Finish outside the top 4 and surely it's sacking time
 
sunama said:
There is nothing wrong with this.
It's all about tactics. No team can expect to win every single game. I don't care who you are.
Even Barca lost in the CL, this year. So did the much fancied Bayern.
Barca also started losing in league games, allowing R.Madrid to almost beat them.

A club needs a manager who can adapt his tactics, according to the team he is playing against and the form of the 2 teams.
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It's not a criticism.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
That's just a lazy comparison.
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No it isn't, he has the same possession obsessed leanings, he loves to field players out of position and experiment, and he likes players to stick to their positions a large part of the time. The biggest difference is that he has worked this style with teams that have 3 or 4 of the best forwards in the world over the last 6 or 7 years, game changers all across the front line.
 
The problem Jose had at Chelsea.. I don't see it happening here for him.

  • He will probably get full control over who comes in and who goes out.
  • We've proven that we don't sack our manager that easily and give the manager all the chances to make it right.
  • We won't sack him if he can't deliver a title or UCL every year.
  • Above all, we've seen our players this season and whatever we can say about our season, the players didn't down tools after December but still carried on playing the way LvG wanted till the last game. Had we had a similar set of results to December in Jan, maybe the manager would've been gone. But we didn't do that and did pick up wins through the season against the big teams.
  • Sure we lost out on CL places, but I don't believe collectively the squad played badly on purpose to get rid of the manager. You can't say the same with Chelsea this season.
I still believe our sqaud is not in need of a major revamp but a few good additions and a little bit more luck in terms of injuries with a better manager(which we are gonna get) can really make a good run next season.

Fingers crossed.
 
NextSeason said:
@Devil may care is absolutely correct - you'd be foolish to not be able to spot the similarities in approaches.
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The similarities are there, but the part about it only worked due to the players is complete crap.
Peps system does not restrict the attacking players the way LVGs does at United for one, there are so many differences and those differences are crucial
 
Cassidy said:
There are similarities and also many important differences
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The biggest difference is having Iniesta/Messi/Villa and Robben/Muller/Lewandowski as your attacking outlets. In the posession system you need players in the final 3rd that are top drawer as they have to be able to do things on their own, not rely on service. We have had one player like this over the last 2 seasons and he's 20.
 
Has he agreed terms yet?

Thinking about it, its quite a dangerous negotiating tactic of firing LVG before agreeing terms with JoMo. What if JoMo suddenly doubles his salary demands?

Would put woodward between a rock and a hard place, given the paucity of other realistic options.
 
Cassidy said:
There are similarities and also many important differences
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I'm really not sure there are.

Henry did a very good piece of Guardiola's system and the similarities he saw between him and Van Gaal on Sky towards the start of the season. Perhaps the biggest difference Henry saw was the freedom afforded players in the final third, but I'm still not sure ours were actually restricted, and were instead just not very good.
 
sammsky1 said:
Has he agreed terms yet?

Thinking about it, its quite a dangerous negotiating tactic of firing LVG before agreeing terms with JoMo. What if JoMo suddenly doubles his salary demands?

Would put woodward between a rock and a hard place, given the paucity of other realistic options.
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jose wants the job, he wouldn't start playing games like that. in fact, i wouldn't be surprised all the details have been agreed a while back, it's now just putting them on paper.
 
sammsky1 said:
Has he agreed terms yet?

Thinking about it, its quite a dangerous negotiating tactic of firing LVG before agreeing terms with JoMo. What if JoMo suddenly doubles his salary demands?

Would put woodward between a rock and a hard place, given the paucity of other realistic options.
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Stop trying to make "JoMo" a thing. It's not going to happen.

It's Mr Mourinho to all you Man Unitards by the way.
 
sammsky1 said:
JoMo
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sammsky1 said:
Has he agreed terms yet?

Thinking about it, its quite a dangerous negotiating tactic of firing LVG before agreeing terms with JoMo. What if JoMo suddenly doubles his salary demands?

Would put woodward between a rock and a hard place, given the paucity of other realistic options.
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They probably agreed before Vangle was sacked. Plus if JoMo was to change his demands now he could lose the job and end up coaching in China
 
Attila said:
They probably agreed before Vangle was sacked. Plus if JoMo was to change his demands now he could lose the job and end up coaching in China
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Im sure it was agreed before, but many people go back on there word in these situations to make a fast one! Ultimate brinksmanship and we'd be bit stuffed as there as very few other qualified people available right now.
 
Devil may care said:
The biggest difference is having Iniesta/Messi/Villa and Robben/Muller/Lewandowski as your attacking outlets. In the posession system you need players in the final 3rd that are top drawer as they have to be able to do things on their own, not rely on service. We have had one player like this over the last 2 seasons and he's 20.
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Its clearly not just the players, we had players good enough to score more than 49 goals this season.
We had players good enough to do better than 10 home games without a first half goal.

It is also about how he instructs the players, there is a lot more freedom and creativity in the Barca and Bayern teams even when Barca played their second strings teams in dead rubber games. You cannot simply ignore the fact LVG has been telling the strikers to take a touch before shooting at all times and telling the wingers not to advance until they have the support of the fullback.

Also if you look at the composition of the midfield (LVG has brought in 4 central midfielders) none of which are ball carriers, something which Pep wouldn't dream of doing.

There are clear differences in the composition of how they like to play the possession game. Peps Bayern also do not play the same way Barca did either, since Pep adapted his system to suit the strengths of the Bayern squad.

EDIT: In any case the key to any possession team is to have variety in build up in attack, what really killed us is that our only form of attack was to give the ball to Martial on the left and pray for some magic, so yes players did hamper LVG but it isn't the main difference between the 2.
 
How you going to react when its announced? I sort of got all my excitment out the other day, so really the shock is all gone when he's appointed. I imagine I'll be like this when its officially announced.
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Cassidy said:
Its clearly not just the players, we had players good enough to score more than 49 goals this season.
We had players good enough to do better than 10 home games without a first half goal.

It is also about how he instructs the players, there is a lot more freedom and creativity in the Barca and Bayern teams even when Barca played their second strings teams in dead rubber games. You cannot simply ignore the fact LVG has been telling the strikers to take a touch before shooting at all times and telling the wingers not to advance until they have the support of the fullback.

Also if you look at the composition of the midfield (LVG has brought in 4 central midfielders) none of which are ball carriers, something which Pep wouldn't dream of doing.

There are clear differences in the composition of how they like to play the possession game. Peps Bayern also do not play the same way Barca did either, since Pep adapted his system to suit the strengths of the Bayern squad.
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It clearly is in large part the players, to implement the style your forwards have to be self sufficient, we had Rooney, Martial, Lingard and Mata for a large chunk of the season, I don't think many managers would have gotten a lot out of them in a system that requires players to be able to create something off their own bat.

As far as ball carriers go, we didn't have one in midfield but Iniesta is the only one Pep has used, I wouldn't consider Vidal or Thiago ball carriers by any stretch. Pep is also very demanding about when to shoot, something documented by former players. Both men are obsessive over controlling every aspect of the players, does he allow more freedom for the front 3 or 4 or did our players lack the individual talent to do much with it? I'd say the latter.

LvG's man management is the drizzling shits though, where as Pep seems to be able to motivate and communicate with his men and keep the morale high, LvG by all accounts ran a dictatorship at times at United.
 
Update? Been busy all day, thought today was the day!
 
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