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Mourinho to United | Officially Announced
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Liverpool blew everybody away after Christmas with ease. Had something close to 90 goals scored in the league with the best striker in the world up top.
They simply destroyed every side they met in the first half.....Chelsea's keeper had next to nothing to do in that period.
In an atmosphere, an occasion comparable to the West Ham game a few weeks ago. Yet Jose knew how to do what others couldn't. Stop that fast start and lets see what Liverpool have deeper further into the game. All they had was Gerrard shooting from all angles in a desperate attempt to make up for his mistake.
Jose took away Liverpools plan A and they had nothing close to a plan B to alter the pattern of the game.
Again, that means José was better at getting his team to implement his tactics than Rogers were. It is why he is a better manager and one of the best managers ever. He is brilliant at getting his team to follow his instructions. This is thanks to his brilliant man management and competence on the coaching ground. Outsmarting however it is not. Outsmarting implies surprising, ingenuity, coming up with a plan or something that nobody can see coming. None of that was present in that game like none of it is when Mourinho teams play Wenger's or Fergie's before him. They all know the plan, we know the plan, the whole world knows what's coming. How can one argue that all those managers genuinely failed to see what Mourinho was up to?
Compared to most managers, no, he doesn't. For someone with a record equal to Guardiola? Yes he seems to lose more jobs than would be normal. He and Guardiola won the same amount of trophies more or less. Yet one seems to be pursued to the point of obsession from literally everyone whereas the other seems to be doubted and treated with suspicion (relatively of course) by most big clubs.
Outsmarting is also being able to nullify Liverpools tactics and every attempt by Rodgers mid game to rectify it.
Outsmarting does not mean surprising or reinventing the wheel. Saying that nobody could have predicted their starting 11 so that was a surprise of sorts.
Go back and look at that game. Chelsea's keeper wasn't making ridiculous save after save nor was there last ditch tackles to save desperate situations. Chelsea didn't even play that deep.
He organised his side to deal with Liverpool and Liverpool had no answer. Unless the criteria of outsmarting is to invent a new formation or play Demba Ba as a sweeper then I stand by the statement Jose outsmarted Brendan. He posed questions that Brendan had no answer for.
But we don't know how pep will do in the prem, where's we know exactly how great Mourinho is in this league.
I remember that interview after the champions league game vs Real where Nani was sent off and he genuinely looked sad that they progressed and we lost because of the decision
This makes no sense. He will have managed Porto / Chelsea / Inter / Real Madrid / United by the time he is 54.
Who has a bigger resume than that at such a young age? Not bad for someone treated with suspicion.
Isn't it possible that Jose was approached by big clubs after his Chelsea sacking but he had his heart set on United?
It was widely reported in Spain that Madrid wanted him back but broke off negotiations when they realised Jose was using them as leverage v United. Or reports in France that PSG were waiting to see if the United deal fell through.
Unless we were paying him 4m to ignore other clubs for nothing? Surely he must have had other big offers when a deal like that has to be made.
Mario Rosenstock is going to make a fortune next few years
This inevitably boils down to semantics. I find it very difficult to accept praising the tactics of putting 10 behind the ball. They are not difficult to come up with relative of course as I am not saying anyone can apply them successfully. Brilliant tactics to me are the way Pep gets his team to move and outnumbers his opponents in key areas getting his team to always play on the front foot whilst opening up defences. Destroying has always been, not only in football, easier than creating. It is why we cherish Best, Cruyff, Maradona, Zidane Messi more than defenders. Sitting back and stopping game the way Mourinho and Rafa do take a lot of expertise and competence from attention to detail to man management but that is not as impressive as getting a team to play front foot ball and winning with it. That is why that game for me is more of a testament of Rogers's limitations at doing what someone like Pep does than any master plan from Mourinho's side.
Which is I emphasize the point of it being relative. Obviously José resumé is better than 99% of managers. What I am saying is his record and trophy haul should make him as wanted as Pep. If big clubs only looked for numbers and results, those two should command the exact same level of attraction. But we all know they don't. City, Abramovic, ourselves, Bayern, Barcelona and even Real according to some reports have offered Pep whatever he wanted to manage them. Can we say the same about José? Of course we are simply here going by reports as none of us know these things for a fact, that much goes without saying.
Have we signed him already? Where can I check the post that reports his0official unveiling?
Shit, I was mistaken. Nevermind
Shit, I was mistaken. Nevermind
God, I remember this video. I wanted to recreate his counter-attacking football at Real Madrid in my FM games and failed miserably every single time.
Could never get it right, perhaps the game engine made it impossible.
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We don't know though so there really isn't any point in guessing.
Jose said he wouldn't manage another team in Italy while Barca are off limits to him. He has said he wants to stay in England and manage so maybe he made this clear to other clubs when they enquired about him? He has said he hates lop sided leagues so that narrows his choices and enquires he would entertain down quite a lot.
Thats not even taking into consideration that United are his dream job and approached him at Christmas. It's not as simple as clubs rushing to choose their favourites.
If you believe that Mourinho is just as attractive to big clubs as Pep and has been over the past 5/6 years, well I can't convince you otherwise. We leave it at that.
Anyone have Mourinho wearing something besides black/grey/blue? Hard to picture him in our gear
Funny the number of fans trying to convince themselves and others what a winner Mourinho is going to be, like he has never failed before.
What's that supposed to mean?
Every manager fails from time to time even Ferguson thats life. But he always came back to win again.
Same with Mourinho who has also won more than pretty much everyone out there right now. He wins everywhere he goes.
Without fail. That man guarantees a league at worst everywhere he go bar leira perhaps.
We are deluded thinking we should expect success from a Man United manager. Maybe even something about expectations and stuff.
He's won a title everywhere he's went?
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Did you make that one? Very good
Yep, just noticed one bit I missed though
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It's annoying
At least Klopper talks sense,but I'd rather this be a Mourinho thread.
I for one have waited long enough for this.
Jose isnt infallible ,but he still starts the next season as statistically the most succesful manager in this league. Yet everyone and their dog seem to be convinced that it's him that will fail.
That was the only time Mourinho implied that other team was better and his team was somewhat lucky. I don't remember him being that modest ever in a win otherwise.I remember that interview after the champions league game vs Real where Nani was sent off and he genuinely looked sad that they progressed and we lost because of the decision
Does Mourinho's hair not grow much anymore, or is he intentionally keeping it short? He's lost a lot of his swag since his hair went short.
His girlfriend prefers the clean look.
Good old Dunc...
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