Yet this is coming from a Liverpool fan that was itching to get his hands on the title before Gerrard's famous slip. Winning this league isn't easy and Mourinho had the balls to come back to Chelsea and write off the title in his first season but guarantee it in his second season when he got Diego Costa in. How many managers could boast such confidence in delivering? one poor season in which he lost the dressing room doesn't mean he's lost his aura, Chelsea continued to be poor after he left and many of their fans think they need to spend big this summer.
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Yet this is coming from a Liverpool fan that was itching to get his hands on the title before Gerrard's famous slip. Winning this league isn't easy and Mourinho had the balls to come back to Chelsea and write off the title in his first season but guarantee it in his second season when he got Diego Costa in. How many managers could boast such confidence in delivering? one poor season in which he lost the dressing room doesn't mean he's lost his aura, Chelsea continued to be poor after he left and many of their fans think they need to spend big this summer.
Am I the only one who hopes we do not try and make him wear all our crappy club apparel? It looks ridiculous on older gentlemen
Think that's a better question. Depends on how early you decided to sack van Gaal - if it was months ago it's a big failure not to have attracted Ancelotti or Guardiola.
As it is you were in a bit of a sticky situation. I think (cue 100 more alerts...) Mourinho was more of a last resort than someone you were desperate to attract. There's not really that many better choices around, assuming Pochettino wasn't available at the time too, and Simeone wasn't interested.
Klopp had an equally worse final year with Dortmund before getting sacked and mourinhos CV is a bit better. Sometimes shit happens.
If we had got Pep, they would be saying "they should of got Mourinho"
I think Klopp resigned from Dortmund?
Fair point on the delivering the title part. R.e. first season, I don't really agree. The competition was pretty poor that year, City were a mess and we were poor defensively. I think Mourinho loaning out Lukaku, selling De Bruyne and Mata threw it away.
I think there's a media fascination with Guardiola. It might be because he's never managed in England before but I don't think he'd get the same sort of scrutiny at United compared to what Mourinho will receive.
Only Liverpool fans would think signing Mourinho is a last resort. Yeah he's a nothing manager that Mourinho, what ahs he ever won eh?
Does it make a hell of a difference? Both teams were in relegation zone which is awkward given their qualities.
I don't think so. Write off Liverpool fans' opinions all you want (I'd do the same if it was the other way around) but as a whole Guardiola is rated higher than Mourinho by us so it's not that.
He did, but I think Dortmund granted him the opportunity to resign. He did a lot for them, afterall.
He's not a nothing manager but it's clear a lot of top clubs are hesitant. You've already turned him down at least once so I'm not sure why it's wrong to suggest he wasn't your first choice this time.
My number 1 choice was either Klopp or Ancelotti but I definitely would have preferred Mourinho over Guardiola, have a feeling he will fail desperately in England for some reason. Managing Man City is his first big test, make no mistake. David Moyes would have won the Bundesliga with a team like Bayern Munich.
We turned him down and then had 3 years of misery. I'd like to think the club 'woke up' in this case.
Become more willing to take the risk, sure. Not a chance you'd have hired him if Guardiola or Ancelotti were available though, and I suspect Pochettino and Simeone would have been preferred if available too.
Well Klopp recovered somewhat and finished in 7th, then resigned. Mourinho was sacked when Chelsea were in 16th (I think that was their league position). It depends if you think Mourinho would have recovered like Klopp did if he'd been given the rest of the season.
I don't think their seasons are all that comparable, especially when you consider all the off the field problems Mourinho had. Dortmund were simply rubbish whereas the players seemed to give up on Mourinho. I agree that they both failed to meet expectations.
Thats more club politics and certain people behind the scenes having their say. Unless you honestly believe that the club thought David Moyes is a better manager that Mourinho.
I don't. I think you, like a lot of big clubs, weren't willing to touch Mourinho given his discipline and off field issues.
Now after a few stale years you're more willing to put up with that in the hope he brings you success.
He has a lot to prove. That last season at Chelsea was a horror.
I don't agree with a 5 year contract at all though. When has he stayed for 5 years at a club? I'd be shocked if he wasn't sacked before then, hopefully with a few trophies in the bag.
I don't agree with a 5 year contract at all though. When has he stayed for 5 years at a club? I'd be shocked if he wasn't sacked before then, hopefully with a few trophies in the bag.
Ok i think thats a fair post. I still would rather believe that the club woke up though and realised that he should of been here after SAF.
In certain games, sure. As a long term view of how the club should be? Please don't insult the man so you can justify José's methods.
Guardiola's the only one there who would definitely trump Mourinho.
Ancellotti also failed at Chelsea remember. And his league record in general is patchy at best vs Jose. I'd say it's much more likely we'd have gone for Jose.
And Jose definitely would've got the nod over huge risk Pochettino who no one really knows if he's good or not. Could easily go the way of AVB, Rodgers etc.
And Simeone is just Mourinho-lite, with much less free-scoring sides, and zero English language skills. Would've been a huge gamble.
It's fairly obvious that with a free run at any manager Jose would be the 2nd or 3rd most clubs would speak to.
If he wins more than the FA Cup, ie the league or CL, no way does he get sacked. Unless he very publicly shits on Woodward or the Glazers. Can't see it coming to something like that as it would probably also be tough to get another high profile job soon after. IMO he'll have to be well-behaved and I think he'll want to stay.
You are absolutely right. The view that Rogers was "outsmarted" in that game is just absurdly ridiculous. Whenever a team loses, the manager apparently always was outsmarted or out-thought as though that is the only variable between winning and losing. How could he have been outsmarted if Chelsea's plan for that game or Mourinho's in fact for every big game is to put ten men behind the ball and play the way Pulis's West Brom do? Being outsmarted surely implies that one did not see a plan coming and was therefore unprepared for it due to their lack of preparation? But people said that about footballing giants like Fergie, Wenger, Guardiola and LvG whenever their teams fail to unlock a defence and get done on a counter so of course they were going to say it about Rogers. As lazy an analysis as there can be.
Seriously, Rodgers wasn't outsmarted? You saw the result right? You know that Liverpool were better, more confident, more expressive?
Rodgers was shite, so you fired him. He lucked out with Suarez, big time. Mourinho knew this and cost you a title.
It's crazy really cause you won a CL with manager that knew how to play Mourinho at his own game, the main reason Mourinho hate him.
I honestly don't think we'd have gone for him ahead of many on your list. There is a reason he seems to keep losing jobs and being out of work too much for a manager who is as successful as he is. Let's not pretend the fact that Barcelona, Bayern, City, and ourselves needed managers at various points when he was available and there never seemed to be the same level of pursuit as you would think his record merits.
I don't think this is simply because of his antics off the pitch. The same fact is that big teams like ours like to think of themselves as dominant forces that go for their opponents and outplay them. Mourinho thrives as the outsiders who spoil the party for the fancied sides. His best achievements came with teams that were underdogs either financially or status wise. Even in his time at Real, they were underdogs to Barcelona during that period and his approach of treating like that rubbed people off the wrong way over there. IMO, this footballing view of his, more than his antics is what puts the biggest teams off him for so long because let's face it, if all that mattered to big clubs is trophies, he would be as obsessively pursued as Guardiola.
Nothing City does will ever get the scrutiny we get. We sell more papers and get more page views. City could put Donald Trump in charge with Hillary Clinton as assistant and they'd still talk about us more.
Of course Liverpool were outsmarted. They blew everybody away that year yet Mourinho went there with Chelseas second string and kept them at bay with ease.
Liverpool had no answer to Jose hence they were outsmarted.
I agree here. That game was heading into half time at 0-0 and Chelsea barely got out of their half. Thankfully Gerrard slipped but there's a lot of revisionism of that game because for 44 minutes everything was under control but the slip and subsequent goal played into Chelsea's hands as they could afford to sit deep, do feck all past the halfway line and spoil the party. Willian scored in stoppage time when LFC sent everyone in the opposition half for a corner. If it finished 0-1 we wouldn't have this revisionism of naivety when it was simply defensive master-class which you couldn't break down but arguably wouldn't have needed to break down if Gerrard didn't slip.
I am a United fan just for the record. No he wasn't. Unless outsmarted means something else than what I wrote on my post. It implies not seeing something coming and being caught unprepared for it. If the entire footballing world can tell you Mourinho's plans for these big games, how can a professional manager not? It's ridiculous to suggest that a professional manager doesn't see the grand plan of parking 10 behind the ball. Don't get me wrong, he is not a great manager and it doesn't mean Mourinho is not a better manager. Mourinho is brilliant at what he does, maybe even the best, but he is not "outsmarting" other managers with his tactics. He is just succeeding in applying them more often than other managers with theirs.
Unless you are stretching the definition of the word "outsmarted", this is simply an irrational conclusion. Winning a football game is about a million more things than the manager's plan, especially when every football fan and pundit in the country knows said plan.
It's insane to say otherwise, Liverpool were miles better, miles more confident, and at home. And got beat.
Does he keep losing jobs?
I think people seem to equate him moving to bigger and better jobs as him losing his job.
I think the only extended periods he's been out of work have been self-imposed or club-imposed due to contract.
If imagine all of the above, maybe barring Barcelona, have approached Mourinho at various times.
It would be foolish not to.
Come on mate, if a anyone was ever outsmarted, that was the day. Liverpool didn't need the win, were miles better, could've played for the draw and got beat, embarrassed, ashamed by a team/bloke who came for a draw.
Bayern didn't approach him.
Adam Mckola from full time devils talking quite a bit of sense in my opinion.
I found this article from when he won the title. Shows his record against most clubs while in the premier league.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32433689
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32433689
Lost his job twice, both times at Chelsea.
Make of that what you will be that have fire their only CL winning manager.
Say we had sacked LVG in December. In theory we could have landed Pep or Carlo but I really don't think we could have. Pep had existing relationships with City and on some level City are a more attractive proposition than United. Carlo made it clear that he would never walk into a club which sacked a manager in mid-season (so I recall).
And if we're measure up Pep, Carlo and Jose against each other, Jose actually comes out looking pretty good. All three have great resumes but Jose's stands taller than either IMHO. The only serious question mark over Jose's head is whether he's likely to have another meltdown. I just don't see it happening. He'll be nasty and carry his feud with Wenger with him, but I've always thought that his mind games were calculated, not something that just spun out of his control.
The odds of us actually winning the league trophy next season have gone up dramatically. But there is also the risk that it could all fall apart. It's a risk worth taking.
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