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Igor Drefljak said:
Don't be silly. The only reason his Real Madrid team outscored the free flowing Pep team in his 3 years was due to his awful negative football...
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Had Liverpool a manager as tactically astute as Mourinho for just 45 minutes v Seville and 90 minutes vs Chelsea, they would have won the Prem in 2014 and the UEFA this year.

Would those 135 minutes have been so tough to endure?

And make no mistake, he doesn't spend full seasons doing it, his sides play great football, until that is, they need to not play great football. As @Bojan11 mentioned above, Liverpool won their last CL playing like chumps, and they don't stop banging on about it even now.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Had Liverpool a manager as tactically astute as Mourinho for just 45 minutes v Seville and 90 minutes vs Chelsea, they would have won the Prem in 2014 and the UEFA this year.

Would those 135 minutes have been so tough to endure?

And make no mistake, he doesn't spend full seasons doing it, his sides play great football, until the need to not play great football. As @Bojan11 mentioned above, Liverpool won their last CL playing like chumps, and they don't stop banging on about it even now.
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Mourinho's big game tactics in Europe have cost him more than they've helped him in recent years.

Also, I'm no fan of Rodgers but it's just ridiculous to criticise his attacking approach that season. Yes, if he was more cautious in one game we'd have probably won the league but it was his attacking approach that got us to that position. If we had sat back more we wouldn't have scored the goals that had us topping the table.

Regardless, I know it's a minority view but I'd rather Liverpool played good football than win trophies - said that many times in the past. Obviously if the choice is shit, winning football or shit, losing football then it's a no brainer but I don't watch football for success.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Had Liverpool a manager tactically as astute as Mourinho for just 45 minutes v Seville and 90 minutes vs Chelsea, they would have won the Prem in 2014 and the UEFA this year.

Would those 135 minutes have been so tough to endure?

And make no mistake, he doesn't spend full seasons doing it, his sides play great football, until the need to not play great football.
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Fergie was the same. Whenever we went to a tough away ground he'd put out a negative team especially at Anfield.

This why we did better in the champions league between 06-11. We weren't so gung ho away from home.

Easy for a coach like Guardiola to play on front foot when he's had two of the best teams in their respective leagues. But whenever Guardiola has come up against a better team like Madrid in 2014 or Barca in 2015 he's been thrashed. He even tried to man mark the Barca front trio. He will need to be flexible at City.
 
RetroStu said:
The difference is that Mourinho has achieved far FAR more than Klopp has, more than Klopp probably will in his entire career.
Perspective.
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Agreed. And I am worried he could bring that success to Utd. I just hope he doesn't, obviously.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Mourinho's big game tactics in Europe have cost him more than they've helped him in recent years.

Regardless, I know it's a minority view but I'd rather Liverpool played good football than win trophies - said that many times in the past. Obviously if the choice is shit, winning football or shit, losing football then it's a no brainer but I don't watch football for success.
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Guardiolas tactic especially away from home in the champions league have cost him. Are you going to criticise him?
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Mourinho's big game tactics in Europe have cost him more than they've helped him in recent years.

Regardless, I know it's a minority view but I'd rather Liverpool played good football than win trophies - said that many times in the past. Obviously if the choice is shit, winning football or shit, losing football then it's a no brainer but I don't watch football for success.
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I don't watch for success either, nor do the majority of United fans, hence why many fecking slated LVG for these entire 2 years. But the idea that Mourinho big game tactics have harmed him is crazy, who has been more successful as a manager in that time?

The CL is hard to win, proven by not even "the greatest team of all time" Barcelona, not managing to retain it.
 
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Bojan11 said:
Guardiolas tactic especially away from home in the champions league have cost him. Are you going to criticise him?
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I've criticised his away results in Europe before. Why would I criticise him in a Mourinho (and now Liverpool discussion)?

Added more to the post you quoted by the way about the ridiculousness of saying with Mourinho's ideals we'd have won those trophies.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
I don't watch for success either, nor do the majority of United fans, hence why many fecking LVG for these entire 2 years. But the idea that Mourinho big game tactics have harmed him is crazy, who has been more successful? Not even this "best in history Barcelona side".
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They have harmed him recently. Did you miss the matches against Atlético and PSG?

Honestly. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I'm not saying he's poor in big games. I'm saying you're a bit of an idiot if you say "oh but if only you'd had Mourinho's tactics in game x" when Mourinho's tactics have cost him at times too. No tactic is perfect, I don't get why you're acting like it is.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I've criticised his away results in Europe before. Why would I criticise him in a Mourinho (and now Liverpool discussion)?

Added more to the post you quoted by the way about the ridiculousness of saying with Mourinho's ideals we'd have won those trophies.
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So I'm telling you not everybody has the perfect tactics in the champions league. Nobody wins it constantly. So not sure why you criticising him for that?
 
Bojan11 said:
So I'm telling you not everybody has the perfect tactics in the champions league. Nobody wins it constantly. So not sure why you criticising him for that?
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See post immediately before yours ;)

I'm not criticising his big game record unless saying it's not perfect is a criticism. I'm taking issue with a moronic point that implies Mourinho's big game plan is the one and only way to play.
 
Did Mourinho ever call Madrid 'the greatest club on the world' or can he justifiably claim that in his first press conference?
 
Like me or not, I am the only one who has won the world's three most important leagues. So, maybe instead of the 'Special One', people should start calling me the 'Only One'. - Jose Mourinho
 
I think you and I differ on opinions @Bob Loblaw . I wish we'd had someone like Mourinho in 2014. He'd have played for a 0-0 in the Chelsea game and seen that Palace come back coming from a mile away. Rodgers only knew one way of playing and was naive enough to believe we could keep out scoring the opposition on our way to the title with no need of defensive organisation, despite the fact that most title winning sides have a solid defence.

I want to see Liverpool win trophies and Mourinho knows how to do that. Klopp does as well but Mourinho has shown a far greater range of trophy winning form in multiple countries. He's pragmatic when he needs to be, and is more than capable of getting his sides playing good football. Chelsea in the first half of 14/15 were great to watch then he saw their fragilities and did what was necessary to ensure that they won the league in the second half.

Just my opinion but I'd have him at Liverpool if it meant us winning one league title.
 
Bojan11 said:
Easy for a coach like Guardiola to play on front foot when he's had two of the best teams in their respective leagues. But whenever Guardiola has come up against a better team like Madrid in 2014 or Barca in 2015 he's been thrashed. He even tried to man mark the Barca front trio. He will need to be flexible at City.
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Guardiola is approaching his toughest job ever. From Messi, Iniesta and the best team in the World to Robben, Ribery etc and the new best team in the World.... to the 4th best team in the Prem. This is interesting to say the least.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
They have harmed him recently. Did you miss the matches against Atlético and PSG?

Honestly. I'm not saying he's a bad manager, I'm not saying he's poor in big games. I'm saying you're a bit of an idiot if you say "oh but if only you'd had Mourinho's tactics in game x" when Mourinho's tactics have cost him at times too. No tactic is perfect, I don't get why you're acting like it is.
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And yet Guardiola in big games has failed more often, and your manager is a serial loser in these games.

Point is, Mourinho win more than most.
 
Klopper76 said:
I think you and I differ on opinions @Bob Loblaw . I wish we'd had someone like Mourinho in 2014. He'd have played for a 0-0 in the Chelsea game and seen that Palace come back coming from a mile away. Rodgers only knew one way of playing and was naive enough to believe we could keep out scoring the opposition on our way to the title with no need of defensive organisation, despite the fact that most title winning sides have a solid defence.

I want to see Liverpool win trophies and Mourinho knows how to do that. Klopp does as well but Mourinho has shown a far greater range of trophy winning form in multiple countries. He's pragmatic when he needs to be, and is more than capable of getting his sides playing good football. Chelsea in the first half of 14/15 were great to watch then he saw their fragilities and did what was necessary to ensure that they won the league in the second half.

Just my opinion but I'd have him at Liverpool if it meant us winning one league title.
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That isn't really my point. I'm not saying Mourinho wouldn't have played for the 0-0 and I agree that Rodgers should have too. My two real issues with that suggestion are:
1) the implication that Mourinho's decision to play for a 0-0 has always worked for him. He's been burned on the counter a few times, it happens, and he's got 0-0 draws that later came back to bite him. Going for a 0-0 and getting one aren't the same thing, with our defence as bad as it was there's no way you can safely say we'd have held Chelsea.

2) it ignores that Rodgers' gung-ho approach got us to that position in the first place. Mourinho is clearly about 1000 levels above Rodgers but I think with him in charge that year we'd have never got close to 1st place that late in the season. So I therefore think it's really harsh at best, wrong at worst to say we'd have won the league that year with Mourinho's approach.
 
Klopper76 said:
I think you and I differ on opinions @Bob Loblaw . I wish we'd had someone like Mourinho in 2014. He'd have played for a 0-0 in the Chelsea game and seen that Palace come back coming from a mile away. Rodgers only knew one way of playing and was naive enough to believe we could keep out scoring the opposition on our way to the title with no need of defensive organisation, despite the fact that most title winning sides have a solid defence.

I want to see Liverpool win trophies and Mourinho knows how to do that. Klopp does as well but Mourinho has shown a far greater range of trophy winning form in multiple countries. He's pragmatic when he needs to be, and is more than capable of getting his sides playing good football. Chelsea in the first half of 14/15 were great to watch then he saw their fragilities and did what was necessary to ensure that they won the league in the second half.

Just my opinion but I'd have him at Liverpool if it meant us winning one league title.
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Thank you!

No-one wants their team to play shite all year and win, the isn't entertainment and ultimately that is what football is. But kudos for you admitting that a manager who could see the big picture would've been welcome.

The scary thing as a Liverpool fan is that Klopp appears only to know one way of playing, as as even Guardiola has shown, it can be the BEST way of playing, but flexibility will always lead ot more success.
 
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Regulus Arcturus Black said:
And yet Guardiola in big games has failed more often, and your manager is a serial loser in these games.

Point is, Mourinho win more than most.
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I think that's a really poor reply but whatever. You're moving the goalposts so often it's hard to know what you're even arguing.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
That isn't really my point. I'm not saying Mourinho wouldn't have played for the 0-0 and I agree that Rodgers should have too. My two real issues with that suggestion are:
1) the implication that Mourinho's decision to play for a 0-0 has always worked for him.
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No-one, absolutely no-one suggested this. The only suggestion is this there is some bizarre idea that Mourinho plays for 1-0 every game, when in fact, his teams scorings records have been incredible... it's just that, unlike Brenden, whether it a league or CL, he knows when to say stop better than the rest and that is way he is more successful than the rest.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I think that's a really poor reply but whatever. You're moving the goalposts so often it's hard to know what you're even arguing.
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Moving goalposts? What?

You said Mourinho has failed often with his approach. The fact is, no-one can retain the CL. And your current manager, in the big games... fails again and again, is it 6 times in a row now?

Mourinho fails, as does ever other manager... yet he's still the most successful.

Your entire argument was that Mourinho's tactics in the big games fail him often, I want you to offer up a manager that this DOESN'T stand for.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
No-one, absolutely no-one suggested this. The only suggestion is this there is some bizarre idea that Mourinho plays for 1-0 every game, when in fact, his teams scorings records have been incredible... it's just that, unlike Brenden, whether it a league or CL, he knows when to say stop better than the rest and that is way he is more successful than the rest.
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How did no one suggest that?

"Had Liverpool a manager as tactically astute as Mourinho for just 45 minutes v Seville and 90 minutes vs Chelsea, they would have won the Prem in 2014 and the UEFA this year."

You suggested it right there by saying we'd have won the league with Mourinho in 2014.
 
Fair to say Jose wouldn't have been the best choice after Fergie but is definitely the best choice now?

Reckon he'd have been crucified following Fergie. Expectations were rightly dampened with Moyes (and reduced further by his own design), but Mourinho would've been expected to clean up.

Now expectations need to be raised considerably.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I think that's a really poor reply but whatever. You're moving the goalposts so often it's hard to know what you're even arguing.
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Bob can i ask you something here. We have 2 very respected managers here, both coming off their only 'dodgy' seasons, but one of them has a CV that the other could not dream of having. Yet you lot are acting like we have signed Mike Basset, while you have signed a demi-god. Why is that and whats the difference between both situations?, apart from the fact that Mourinho has the success behind him.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Fair to say Jose wouldn't have been the best choice after Fergie but is definitely the best choice now?

Reckon he'd have been crucified following Fergie. Expectations were rightly dampened with Moyes (and reduced further by his own design), but Mourinho would've been expected to clean up.

Now expectations need to be raised considerably.
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He was the best choice after Fergie.

I would have only trusted him after Fergie to ensure our winning ways.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Moving goalposts? What?

You said Mourinho has failed often with his approach. The fact is, no-one can retain the CL. And your manger, in the big games... fails again and again, is it 6 times in a row now?

Mourinho fails, as does ever other manager... yet he's still the most successful.
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What are you on about? I've never compared Klopp in big games to Mourinho. I'm not even putting Mourinho's record in big games down, I'm just saying it's not perfect and you're an idiot if you think it's a sure thing that we'd have won the league in 2014 with as "tactically astute" as Mourinho.

You're all over the place here.
 
RetroStu said:
Bob can i ask you something here. We have 2 very respected managers here, both coming off their only 'dodgy' seasons, but one of them has a CV that the other could not dream of having. Yet you lot are acting like we have signed Mike Basset, while you have signed a demi-god. Why is that and whats the difference between both situations?, apart from the fact that Mourinho has the success behind him.
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I don't think you can use my opinions to represent Liverpool fans - I'm very happy we have Klopp but I don't think he's flawless and I don't worship him.

The main difference in how I rate them is I think one is a prick who has a history of self destructing and I only enjoy the football one manager plays. I wouldn't argue that Mourinho is a better manager than Klopp, just don't get the feeling he'll be a success at your club.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Fair to say Jose wouldn't have been the best choice after Fergie but is definitely the best choice now?

Reckon he'd have been crucified following Fergie. Expectations were rightly dampened with Moyes (and reduced further by his own design), but Mourinho would've been expected to clean up.

Now expectations need to be raised considerably.
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Exactly my feelings too.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
How did no one suggest that?

"Had Liverpool a manager as tactically astute as Mourinho for just 45 minutes v Seville and 90 minutes vs Chelsea, they would have won the Prem in 2014 and the UEFA this year."

You suggested it right there by saying we'd have won the league with Mourinho in 2014.
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I meant it in the sense that Chelsea were horrific, and a tactically astute manager would have managed a 0-0 no problem. No just Mourinho but anyone. Can you not see that? That on occasions it is better to say "no", than "this is how we play".

You said "it doesn't always work", my reply is that "it works more often than it has for Liverpool this past decade".

True or false?
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I don't think you can use my opinions to represent Liverpool fans - I'm very happy we have Klopp but I don't think he's flawless and I don't worship him.

The main difference in how I rate them is I think one is a prick who has a history of self destructing and I only enjoy the football one manager plays. I wouldn't argue that Mourinho is a better manager than Klopp, just don't get the feeling he'll be a success at your club.
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But why though?. This is all i see Liverpool fans say, "he wont be a success", "this is going to be hilarious to watch", "they should of got someone else", etc, why though?. Mourinho has brought success everywhere he's been, even in his 2nd stint at Chelsea. It just doesn't make sense to me this thinking, its like if you say it enough times, it may happen.
 
RetroStu said:
But why though?. This is all i see Liverpool fans say, "he wont be a success", "this is going to be hilarious to watch", "they should of got someone else", etc, why though?. Mourinho has brought success everywhere he's been, even in his 2nd stint at Chelsea. It just doesn't make sense to me this thinking, its like if you say it enough times, it may happen.
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He hates Jose, Ronaldo and Madrid. Not surprising is it.
 
RetroStu said:
But why though?. This is all i see Liverpool fans say, "he wont be a success", "this is going to be hilarious to watch", "they should of got someone else", etc, why though?. Mourinho has brought success everywhere he's been, even in his 2nd stint at Chelsea. It just doesn't make sense to me this thinking, its like if you say it enough times, it may happen.
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I think he's lost his aura. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't view his time at Chelsea as a success though, maybe that's why our views differ? To me, 1 title win in 3 years while ending outside of Europe and costing the club some top players like De Bruyne and Lukaku isn't a success.

If you think that is, then yeah, he can be a success at Man Utd too.
 
RetroStu said:
But why though?. This is all i see Liverpool fans say, "he wont be a success", "this is going to be hilarious to watch", "they should of got someone else", etc, why though?. Mourinho has brought success everywhere he's been, even in his 2nd stint at Chelsea. It just doesn't make sense to me this thinking, its like if you say it enough times, it may happen.
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That's exactly what it is. Even when we were highly successful under SAF they'd predict our downfall every single summer. ''This is the season United will fall out of the top four''. I remember it well. Fair enough when Moyes came in as I think many of us shared those thoughts but at the height of our success it was seriously bitter. I think that most of us aren't afraid to say that Klopp is a very good manager and the chances are that he'll bring Liverpool success if he gets a chance to build his team, but Mourinho who is far more successful than Klopp will ever be will fail miserably apparently. :lol:
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I think he's lost his aura. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't view his time at Chelsea as a success though, maybe that's why our views differ? To me, 1 title win in 3 years while ending outside of Europe and costing the club some top players like De Bruyne and Lukaku isn't a success.

If you think that is, then yeah, he can be a success at Man Utd too.
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Did you see where they were pre Mourinho? How was he not a success? It's not as if he spent 200m to achieve it either.
 
I definitely encourage the debate here but the analysis of whether Mourinho was the right appointment now must confront the question: If not Jose, then who?
 
Bob Loblaw said:
I think he's lost his aura. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't view his time at Chelsea as a success though, maybe that's why our views differ? To me, 1 title win in 3 years while ending outside of Europe and costing the club some top players like De Bruyne and Lukaku isn't a success.

If you think that is, then yeah, he can be a success at Man Utd too.
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If you offered me 1 Premiership out of the next 3 seasons, i'd take it to be honest. His first season isn't going to be a success imo so thats 1 of the seasons down already. Besides winning a title in his 2nd Chelsea stint is success, he still brought success.
 
Shark said:
That's exactly what it is. Even when we were highly successful under SAF they'd predict our downfall every single summer. ''This is the season United will fall out of the top four''. I remember it well. Fair enough when Moyes came in as I think many of us shared those thoughts but at the height of our success it was seriously bitter. I think that most of us aren't afraid to say that Klopp is a very good manager and the chances are that he'll bring Liverpool success if he gets a chance to build his team, but Mourinho who is far more successful than Klopp will ever be will fail miserably apparently. :lol:
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It's not really that. I just don't rate Mourinho that highly any more. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I was equally as sceptical of him joining Chelsea and I don't think he did a particularly good job there either. Failure is harsh given the league title but I'm sure the Chelsea fans expected more.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
It's not really that. I just don't rate Mourinho that highly any more. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I was equally as sceptical of him joining Chelsea and I don't think he did a particularly good job there either. Failure is harsh given the league title but I'm sure the Chelsea fans expected more.
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Nobody knows the future, so I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I'll tell one thing, if Mourinho won the title with us, and then had the year he's had with Chelsea this year, we wouldn't have sacked him, and even if we finished outside top 4 he would still be our manager next season.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
It's not really that. I just don't rate Mourinho that highly any more. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I was equally as sceptical of him joining Chelsea and I don't think he did a particularly good job there either. Failure is harsh given the league title but I'm sure the Chelsea fans expected more.
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Mental really, came back, had a year to prepare and then won the league.

If Klopp wins the league next season and has a few fall outs the following autumn, will you say the same?
Bullshit, he'll be god.
 
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