Mourinho to United | Officially Announced

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If he comes out with a book criticizing a club which allowed him to stay and win the FA cup despite him being a disaster all season he would look like a knob. Getting sacked after this run would be far more embarrassing than anything he deals with now

Arsenal (A) - L 0-3
Everton (A) - W 3-0
CSKA (A) - D 1-1
City (H) - D 0-0
Boro (H) - L 0-0 (1-3 after penos) - Knocked out Carling Cup
Palace (A) - D 0-0

CSKA (H) - W 1-0
West Brom (H) - W 2-0
Watford (A) - W 2-1
PSV (H) - D 0-0
Leicester (A) - D 1-1
West Ham (H) - D 0-0
Wolfsburg (A) - L 2-3 - Knocked out Champions League
Bournemouth (A) - L 1-2
Norwich (H) - L 1-2
Stoke (A) - L 0-2
Chelsea (H) - D 0-0


17 games - 4 wins, 6 losses, 7 draws. GD - 14:15 (-1)

What was Mourinho's record during exactly that same time or was he sacked for gross shittery way before then? Just wondering since embarrassing came up.
 
Who do we think the boiled egg culprit is? My money is on Lingard.
 
Very interesting read that Guardian article. Seems to mention a lot of stuff that seemed to rumured all season.

Would like to know what players were against Mourinho in favour of Giggs (Rooney and Carrick no doubt).

For some reason I'm expecting a massive shit storm further down the line about what was actually going on behind the scenes at this club this season.
 
It looks on the surface that LvG tried to create an open and honest culture of accountability but in the end he failed and just ruined the confidence of the players. Some of his instructions are pretty ridiculous too but how the heck would any of these players have survived with Keane in the team? There's just such a huge leadership void in the dressing room.
 
Interesting piece in the Guardian by Daniel Taylor:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

This kind of worries me a bit because by the sounds of it we have a squad full of players who don't like being criticised or held accountable and who can't errr boil eggs. Also note that the Hoek/De Gea relationship isn't as great as it sounds. I'm a bit worried that most managers will struggle with a set of players like that.

I don't really understand this. If you had a boss constantly telling you to do ridiculous things that make no sense and then criticized you in front of the entire company every time you made a mistake I have a feeling you wouldn't be too impressed either.
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?
Smalling maybe? Lingard? I honestly can't think of anybody else - they've either all disappointed or not played enough.
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?

Martial had a dip in form at around Christmas time did he not? Wouldn't be surprised if it was him considering he started the season strongly (before LvG had a chance to get his dirty hands on him) and also finished the season strongly.
 
I don't really understand this. If you had a boss constantly telling you to do ridiculous things that make no sense and then criticized you in front of the entire company every time you made a mistake I have a feeling you wouldn't be too impressed either.

Or you could talk to the boss and tell him you disagree, articulate why and appreciate if some of the mistakes that have been pointed out are valid? His instructions weren't good but I don't see any proactive response from the squad to stop this at all, couldn't even muster a mutiny.
 
Martial had a dip in form at around Christmas time did he not? Wouldn't be surprised if it was him considering he started the season strongly (before LvG had a chance to get his dirty hands on him) and also finished the season strongly.

Nothing visibly different in his play.
 
Unpopular Opinion: Stones is underrated on here. Considering his age and his potential, I think he's not developed well at Everton and Jose could turn him into a top class defender.

I tend to agree. He obviously saw something in him. Stones' defensive skills have obviously regressed massively under one of the worst defensive coaches ever in the PL inMartinez.
 
Or you could talk to the boss and tell him you disagree, articulate why and appreciate if some of the mistakes that have been pointed out are valid? His instructions weren't good but I don't see any proactive response from the squad to stop this at all, couldn't even muster a mutiny.

At a guess, they were probably scared of getting sent to the reserves or permanently put on the bench.
 
What was Mourinho's record during exactly that same time or was he sacked for gross shittery way before then? Just wondering since embarrassing came up.
Klopps record exactly 12 months earlier was also not so good
 
I can see him sat hunched over in front of the screen, furiously clicking through his emails to see who's opened them.
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?

Ashley Young? There was a phase before his injury where he took players on, which was not what our wingers should do.
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?

It's Rooney. He thinks he's improved in a big way. He's practically rubber stamped that article of Taylor's.
 
People fear Mourinho would detroy our dressing room, but Moyes and van Gaal did the same, just different reasons or different manners.
 
Interesting piece in the Guardian by Daniel Taylor:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...an-gaal-manchester-united-players-near-mutiny

This kind of worries me a bit because by the sounds of it we have a squad full of players who don't like being criticised or held accountable and who can't errr boil eggs. Also note that the Hoek/De Gea relationship isn't as great as it sounds. I'm a bit worried that most managers will struggle with a set of players like that.


United’s forwards were under orders to control the ball, lay it off and then get in the penalty area and wait for it. Wide players were told that, rather than taking on their man, it was better to wait for the team’s full‑backs to arrive in support.
One of Van Gaal’s more bemusing instructions was for his strikers not to shoot first-time from balls coming across the penalty area. Instead they were under orders to take a touch in front of goal, even if the relevant players felt confident enough to go for goal straight away.
One example goes back to the opening day of the season when Tottenham Hotspur were the opposition and Antonio Valencia sent in a low cross from the right to pick out Rooney, unmarked, in the middle of the penalty area. It seemed like a relatively straightforward finish but Rooney took an extra touch because that was what Van Gaal had drummed into his players. Kyle Walker made a saving tackle only to turn the ball into his own net and Rooney looked almost sheepish as he headed back to the centre circle.

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Explains why we were so slow and cumbserome in the final third.

And what a culture shock that is for a generation of United fans bought up on a diet on SAFs fast counter attacking wing-play and instinctive first time ball strikers like Cole, Ruud, Saha and Rooney!
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?
Possibly Valencia

But he seems a very disciplined type who will follow orders closely

Maybe martial who started on fire and went more reserved for a couple of months and then came alive again
 
At a guess, they were probably scared of getting sent to the reserves or permanently put on the bench.

He's not going to send the whole team into the reserves, there's plenty of stuff wrong with LvG's micro-management but you know they're paid to be footballers and they should work to get better at it maybe? It's hard to say how valid the criticisms were but I have plenty for a lot of players this season and the thought of them just ignoring them bemuses me.
 
Also who is the player that actively ignored him and improved immediately? Can't think of a single player who turned it around it a visible manner?

Its definitely Rooney, he was dreadful up until Christmas, got dropped against Stoke then once he came back actually played well up until his injury in early February
 
I don't think it's Rooney, too much of a purple patch player and watching him in midfield it looks like he mostly works to LvG's constraints.
 
And the bit about the players wanting Giggs over Mourinho as he understands the club more/less likely to fall out with them.
That is incredibly concerning, sounds like Mourinho might be arriving to a group already against him. That's the last thing we need, we need to root out any potential trouble makers very quickly.
 
It's Rooney. He thinks he's improved in a big way. He's practically rubber stamped that article of Taylor's.
Most likely actually. He did have a bit of a goalscoring run when he came back in the side, and rather recently he has a couple of 'alright' performances in his rejuvenated midfield role.
 
Its definitely Rooney, he was dreadful up until Christmas, got dropped against Stoke then once he came back actually played well up until his injury in early February

It can only be Rooney. Everyone else started out shite and stayed shite :lol:
 
I don't think it's Rooney, too much of a purple patch player and watching him in midfield it looks like he mostly works to LvG's constraints.

He plays like how he did under Moyes and Ferguson. Gets the ball and does slow looping ball to the right.
 
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