If that was Benitez they'd be calling him fecking clueless. It didn't get enough focus tonight from the media. What sort of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime leaves Mata on the bench when he's the best player they have and been the scourge of us in the past few meetings?
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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If that was Benitez they'd be calling him fecking clueless. It didn't get enough focus tonight from the media. What sort of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime leaves Mata on the bench when he's the best player they have and been the scourge of us in the past few meetings?
I agree.
Judging by his team and tactics, he was scared shitless of losing today.
Pretty limp dicked return from his so far, uninspiring both on and off the pitch but as usual, results are following...
Pretty limp dicked return from his so far, uninspiring both on and off the pitch but as usual, results are following...
He's not even our manager and he's already too much to bear. Ffs we're only on game week 2Mourinho stirring some shit in his first few weeks back. Who would have thought.
That was pathetic. Can't recall having seen such an unambitious performance from a possible title challenger before. I'm a bit baffled by that. Does he really think so highly of United or so lowly of Chelsea? What do Chelsea fans think of that non-effort? Fair dues for getting the result he craved though.
Always had Jose down as a manager who set up to win games. What he did today was pretty pathetic. We should've taken advantage.
Have you watched the same Mourinho as me the past six or so years?
He basically wants to play counter attacking football like he did with us, that's why I think he left the "slower" Mata out of the team. He's failing miserably though, maybe the player need time to get used to his style?
I got the impression that Maureen not playing any nominal striker, was some kind of heavy handed message to Rooney.
I'll admit I had Chelsea finishing ahead of us this season and winning the league but on tonight's evidence I'm too concerned. I was surprised by the negativity of Mourinho as I thought he would see this as a chance to land an early psychological blow. I think Moyes will feel bigger in his shoes after this match, seeing 'the Special One' retreating and bringing on Mikel and Azpilacueta rather than going for the 3 points. The only disappointment is that we didn't get the winner.
To be fair, Torres when he came on was his usual gash self. They should use Lukaku more.
He's missing a fair few ingredients for that at Chelsea though. He's without Ronaldo, for a start and he doesn't have the benefit of often woeful Spanish defending.
It was a ghost of xmas pasts sub. Experience, past performances at OT,costing £50m and maybe a shop window. If Lukaku had come on, Torres would have known his career would be finished at the club.
To deliberately play for a draw is to ensure his team don't score any goals.. Or if they happen to, make sure they concede the same amount.. Since that would be retarded, it's clear he wanted to win the game - as goes for every manager in every game - Neville was saying in his punditry the other day he'd have no idea how you'd go about playing for a draw, it'd be completely illogical. Obviously he knows a draw would still be a good result which he admitted he settled for in the final 5 minutes. This only seems to be a controversial issue when it comes to Mourinho, I read on here all the time how we can take points from certain games no problem and any hysterical reaction when we drop points on here is met with cries of "a point a good result, it's a tough place to go to" etc.
They just didn't counter attack successfully, playing poorly (and defending well) doesn't equate to parking the bus. The players gave away the ball in easy possession as he put it, although he didn't want to admit it his experiment with the 4 AMs didn't work, he put a striker on early in the 2nd half which I'd imagine would be seen as an attacking move if starting without one is being viewed as a defensive move designed to ensure it could only ever end 0-0?
They just didn't counter attack successfully, playing poorly (and defending well) doesn't equate to parking the bus. The players gave away the ball in easy possession as he put it, although he didn't want to admit it his experiment with the 4 AMs didn't work, he put a striker on early in the 2nd half which I'd imagine would be seen as an attacking move if starting without one is being viewed as a defensive move designed to ensure it could only ever end 0-0?
The ones from the stretty were:
"Sit Down Mourinho"
"You're not Special, You're not Special, You're not Special anymore"
"feck off Mourinho" (same tune as sit down)
And my favourite one:
"You wanted his Job, You wanted his Job! Jose Mourinho you wanted his Job!'
Well that's bollocks, they broke all sorts of goal scoring records and played the quickest and most exciting counter attacking football around for a lot of his time there.
Funny how setting up to grind out an ugly 0-0 he managed to win 2 of his last 3 games at the Nou Camp. People getting on their high horse about how Mourinho's not good enough for our ethos because Chelsea played poorly and got a draw tonight are a tad bitter over something or other..
Don't be daft. You know exactly what "playing for a draw" means. It means you set your team up with the thought that 0-0 is the result you want and anything else is a bonus. You don't play expansive attacking football trying to get a goal to win the game. You just make sure you don't lose. Which is exactly what Moureen's teams do a lot of the time. It's not a controvertial issue with other managers because there aren't many managers who so consistently take teams capable of playing attractive attacking football and reduce them to playing in tumescent "tactical masterclasses".
Great, thanks, like that last one too.
News pig.
yikes fantastic brilliant stuffMockney ffs
Im a bit baffled by the shock surrounding the game on monday, although I suspect a lot is down to frustration at not breaking us down.
Jose has so often played like this in big away games, especially in Europe, difference was in 04/06 United had a weaker team and were more likely to get beaten 1-3 at OT, whereas now they are the team to watch out for. Does no-one remember the start of our 04/05 season ( the one where we got 95 points) we had some extremely negative performances.
Our first 9 results in 04/05:
1-0 H vs United
1-0 A vs Birmingham
2-0 A vs Palace
2-1 H vs Soton
0-0 A villa
0-0 H Spurs
1-0 A Boro
1-0 H Liverpool.
0-1 H Man City
Jose wins trophies, he isnt out to entertain, we have a team entering a new ERA that needed a mentor, it was no longer able to live off the strengths that Jose left it with in 2007. I dont blame anyone for disliking Jose, but I do find it a bit shocking they way people talk about this not being any good for the title. Its exactly the kind of results that won him his first title.
However we do need a top quality striker to win the title, until then I feel we are finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Jose has so often played like this in big away games, especially in Europe, difference was in 04/06 United had a weaker team and were more likely to get beaten 1-3 at OT, whereas now they are the team to watch out for. Does no-one remember the start of our 04/05 season ( the one where we got 95 points) we had some extremely negative performances.
Our first 9 results in 04/05:
1-0 H vs United
1-0 A vs Birmingham
2-0 A vs Palace
2-1 H vs Soton
0-0 A villa
0-0 H Spurs
1-0 A Boro
1-0 H Liverpool.
0-1 H Man City
Jose wins trophies, he isnt out to entertain, we have a team entering a new ERA that needed a mentor, it was no longer able to live off the strengths that Jose left it with in 2007. I dont blame anyone for disliking Jose, but I do find it a bit shocking they way people talk about this not being any good for the title. Its exactly the kind of results that won him his first title.
However we do need a top quality striker to win the title, until then I feel we are finishing 2nd or 3rd.
Oh and that picture is great
I don't think so, people were remarking before the game even started that it was a surprisingly defensive line up, even non-United fans and journalists. Even considering Mourinho's history, it was a bit bizarre to see a team that should be capable of beating United at OT missing such an obvious opportunity to try to get 3 points.
I dont think any team expects to be beating United at OT, you talk as though we were favourites, and considering a few seasons ago you dropped 2 points at home all season a draw is a great result. Jose knows the limitations of the side at present, and I expect a similar set up against City.
Man Utd should always be the favourites at Old Trafford, regardless of who the other team is.
However, I'm not sure how you can argue that Jose wasn't overly defensive. As others have pointed out, if Benitez had done that last season, he would have rightly been attacked.
However, I'm not sure how you can argue that Jose wasn't overly defensive. As others have pointed out, if Benitez had done that last season, he would have rightly been attacked.
I didn't say you expect to beat United, I said you are capable of doing it and should be aiming to do so. Your tactics were defensive and most people were surprised because Chelsea usually come to OT to play for a win.
To put it into context, I can't recall any team coming to OT over the years without a striker in the starting XI. Not even from relegation threatened teams.
Exactly. It's not a crime to play defensive football, but it's strange when a team like Chelsea sets up at Old Trafford like they're massive underdogs. I'd understand it more if it was a CL knock-out game, rather than an early August Premiership match.
The game came too early IMO. I'm sure Jose isn't convinced with his squad 100% , especially not his first team and has only worked with them for a little while. All the talk was about our leaky defence and Cahill/Terry being a liability etc. If anything this game gave us confidence that we can still defend against the best when well organised, and unlike the 0-1 win at OT last season United had everything to play for. We could have set up normally, lost 2-1 and given United and Moyes a hell of confidence boost, plus Im sure plenty of teams set up defensively vs United at OT, but this was the first 0-0 since when? I actually am not sure but at a guess i;d say wasn't there a 0-0 vs Arsenal when you had already won the league in 08/09?
Mourinho has always been defensive, not surprising at all