Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager

Was he in charge at the chavs when they tapped up Ashkey Coke and Obi one Mikel? because yet again this Willian transfer looks dodgy as fook.
 
Drifter said:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...Alex-Ferguson-as-the-new-master-of-mind-games
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Some might be forgiven for calling The Happy One The Ruthless One right now!
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José H. Christ, you can almost hear the panting...
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And a load of people on this site wanted him near our club!

Can you just imagine how bad you'd feel trying to defend him.

Odious man
 
I think he's probably a nice guy. It's just the English media that for some strange reason fawn all over his every word. They are completely obsessed.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Yeah, I'm sick of him already.
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Makes 3 of us.
He's also been commenting on Pep's Bayern in the Spanish and German press today (ahead of the Super Cup). Does he not realise his derogatory remarks probably fire people up rather than put them off?
 
LR7 said:
Makes 3 of us.
He's also been commenting on Pep's Bayern in the Spanish and German press today (ahead of the Super Cup). Does he not realise his derogatory remarks probably fire people up rather than put them off?
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What was derogatory about them? I've only read that he said that Bayern aren't the same team as last season anymore with all their changes.
 
Comsmit said:
Some people are far too precious about Jose. He's box-office....so what. Yes he talks a lot of shit but so do most of the managers in the league, some just do it differently.

The media always sucked up to Ferguson. It's just the way it is, managers with extrovert personality traits provide magic for hacks.
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:lol:
 
do.ob said:
What was derogatory about them? I've only read that he said that Bayern aren't the same team as last season anymore with all their changes.
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I read a google translated version of what he said so it might have been a bit lost in translation, but implied they weren't as good as under Heynckes - which people might agree with but its early days and an unnecessary dig.
 
There isnt a person in football as classless and crass as this guy. Im ashamed I ever thought that because he can be successful he might have been a suitable candidate for this club. Ferguson made his decision with the best interests of the club at heart and while I hope Moyes will be the right choice we can all be certain that avoiding this narcissistic media whore was a masterstroke and something we should be grateful for.

Very simply put he could only fit in at a club like Chelsea. A club able to turn a blind eye to the origin of their success can embrace characters like Terry, Abramovich and Mourinho. He loves himself. He gives sprawling self indulgent interviews and soundbytes at every opportunity. He puts himself before his teams. He is disloyal and capable of tarnishing the reputation of any club he takes control of. He is incredibly succesful but that isnt enough. He is a manager in the right generation for him to be sustainable. One where media rely on people like him. He is on the papers back pages every day for the same reason talentless nobodys from big brother are on the front pages. They want to be there and will do anything to make sure they are. He an an ego bigger than any of the multi millionaires he manages. He has no respect for rivals or the game in general. Simply put he is the embodiment of this new ugly generation of football team "projects" awash with disloyalty, self interest and bullying of clubs that dont have the resources. Tottenham being a fine example recently.

His latest jibe about how he couldnt understand how united fans wouldnt like him as he wasnt the one who told rooney he was second choice, not only makes little sense but also sums up his cowardice. He would never have tried a stunt like that with Ferguson in charge and while I expected it, I didnt think he would so blatantly try undermine Moyes so early on. I take great comfort knowing that it rankles him so much he was snubbed for this job that he pined for and tried to audition for in febuary. Moyes will outlive his chelsea reign, Im certain of that. There will be another hissy fit at some stage. Its quite clear that abramovich is still telling him what to do and for a man with his ego that wont last long. A couple of years and he'll be off again, no doubt beggin for the england job which would suit him perfectly; constant attention from the only idiots that hang on his every word, the british press. He was found out in Spain.

I hope United win tomorrow. That followed by his failure to sign his "only target" will compound a rubbish week he'll no doubt try worm his way out of by mouthing off about something else.
 
It's always horrible to lose to Chelsea but to lose against Chelsea with this horrible, arrogant feck in charge would make it ten times worse.

Praying for a win tomorrow.
 
SER19 said:
There isnt a person in football as classless and crass as this guy. Im ashamed I ever thought that because he can be successful he might have been a suitable candidate for this club. Ferguson made his decision with the best interests of the club at heart and while I hope Moyes will be the right choice we can all be certain that avoiding this narcissistic media whore was a masterstroke and something we should be grateful for.

Very simply put he could only fit in at a club like Chelsea. A club able to turn a blind eye to the origin of their success can embrace characters like Terry, Abramovich and Mourinho. He loves himself. He gives sprawling self indulgent interviews and soundbytes at every opportunity. He puts himself before his teams. He is disloyal and capable of tarnishing the reputation of any club he takes control of. He is incredibly succesful but that isnt enough. He is a manager in the right generation for him to be sustainable. One where media rely on people like him. He is on the papers back pages every day for the same reason talentless nobodys from big brother are on the front pages. They want to be there and will do anything to make sure they are. He an an ego bigger than any of the multi millionaires he manages. He has no respect for rivals or the game in general. Simply put he is the embodiment of this new ugly generation of football team "projects" awash with disloyalty, self interest and bullying of clubs that dont have the resources. Tottenham being a fine example recently.

His latest jibe about how he couldnt understand how united fans wouldnt like him as he wasnt the one who told rooney he was second choice, not only makes little sense but also sums up his cowardice. He would never have tried a stunt like that with Ferguson in charge and while I expected it, I didnt think he would so blatantly try undermine Moyes so early on. I take great comfort knowing that it rankles him so much he was snubbed for this job that he pined for and tried to audition for in febuary. Moyes will outlive his chelsea reign, Im certain of that. There will be another hissy fit at some stage. Its quite clear that abramovich is still telling him what to do and for a man with his ego that wont last long. A couple of years and he'll be off again, no doubt beggin for the england job which would suit him perfectly; constant attention from the only idiots that hang on his every word, the british press. He was found out in Spain.

I hope United win tomorrow. That followed by his failure to sign his "only target" will compound a rubbish week he'll no doubt try worm his way out of by mouthing off about something else.
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Good post.
 
José Mourinho aims compliments and verbal swipes at David Moyes

There was a moment – classic José Mourinho – when someone in the room asked whether it was true, after all the fluttering of eyelashes and full-on charm offensive, that he had wanted to manage Manchester United before Sir Alex Ferguson decidedDavid Moyes was the better man for the job.

Mourinho has always attempted to deny it. Now he tried to find another way of expressing himself and it came out in the form of song. Blue Day is the title, written by Suggs for the 1997 FA Cup final and still pumped around Stamford Bridge before Chelsea's home games. Mourinho offered only a few words but enough to make his point. "Chelsea! Chelsea!"

He has always been a dab hand at deflecting awkward questions. Someone pointed out that a man of his achievement would have been an ideal fit for the "biggest club in the world" and he smiled at that description. "Chelsea," he said, cutting off the question. Not United? "Chelsea," he repeated.

Mourinho, of course, could hardly be expected to lose face with a sudden confession. He did also admit recently there was a culture of mistruths in football club press conferences ("we lie"). There was a beauty earlier in the summer when he claimed never to have had a single disagreement with Roman Abramovich or Andriy Shevchenko. Just as intriguing was his assertion, repeated again this weekend, that Ferguson had confided in him "many months ago" that he was retiring. Or, to run through that one again, that Ferguson decided to pass the biggest secret of his professional life to the then Real Madrid manager before his family or anyone from Old Trafford.

Let's maybe wait to see what Ferguson makes of that in his latest book. Alex Ferguson, My Autobiography comes out on 24 October. Two weeks before Mourinho on Football is published. Once again, we should probably expect a few claims and counter-claims, lots of positioning and some obligatory points-scoring.
Both men speak of one another so glowingly these days it can feel like a trick of the mind that, in their last year as rival Premier League managers, Ferguson suggested Mourinho "should button his lip" at one stage. Mourinho, Ferguson said, had "no respect for anyone but himself". The response was classic Mourinho: "Alex is an intelligent man but the problem is he thinks other people are stupid. They are not and can only laugh." Ferguson, on one Champions League trip, effectively declared the relationship dead. Mourinho shrugged and smiled some more.

Different rules now, of course. Mourinho's relationship with Moyes is probably best filed as "one to watch". There was a brief spat in 2006 when Mourinho accused Andy Johnson of diving and Everton threatened to report Chelsea's manager to the Football Association. Yet Mourinho backed down on that one and Moyes sent him a letter wishing him good luck when he left Chelsea the following year.

Beyond that, there isn't a great deal more in terms of history – quite possibly because Mourinho never had too much trouble against Everton. In eight games, Chelsea won five and drew three, pretty much in keeping with the rest of Moyes's general performance against the major clubs. The man Ferguson picked to replace him, despite an admirable record at Goodison and some impressive results, in particular against Manchester City, did not win a single game at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, Anfield or the Emirates in 44 attempts.

How seriously Mourinho wanted the United job, or whether it actually matters now, is another point, and there are people at Chelsea who consider it irrelevant now he is winning matches again for their club. It does, however, offer some insight into the Mourinho-Moyes dynamic.

Take the story Paddy Crerand tells about United's Champions League tie against Real Madrid at the Bernabéu in February. Crerard, a member of United's 1968 European Cup-winning side and now a pundit on their in-house television station, was greeted with a bear-hug when he arrived at Mourinho's press conference. Mourinho told him he was an MUTV subscriber and watched Crerand's phone-in every Monday night. He also asked if he could go on for an exclusive interview (a promise he subsequently kept). Crerand, by his own admission, was bemused. "We had never met before," the 74-year-old says. "I was surprised he knew all about me."

If Mourinho was aggrieved to be overlooked by Ferguson, he has never admitted it. Equally, it is not the biggest leap of logic to think someone with his ego would be put out, to say the least, when he puts his CV against the man Ferguson and United considered superior. Or that it is any surprise we are starting to see the first barbs aimed at Moyes. If anything, the only surprise is that we have had to wait until the second weekend of the season.

At Mourinho's latest conference he was asked whether, after trying to lure Wayne Rooney to Chelsea, he expected a hostile reception from the Old Trafford crowd. "Why?" he replied, with that shocked expression and exaggerated innocence he does so well. "They are against me? But I didn't say [to Rooney] you will be a second choice for me." A pause. "And they are against me?"

Mourinho was just warming up. "We are trying to get a player that a manager told: 'You will be a second option.' We are not going for [Robin] van Persie! They don't have to be against me. If I say Ramires is a second option for me and he plays when Lampard is tired or injured, if someone comes here to get Ramires, nobody is upset."

Sometimes with Mourinho it is best to ask him directly what he is getting at. Was he actually saying it was Moyes's fault Rooney wanted to leave? "Of course," he replied. The headlines were written.
It was a fairly transparent attempt to undermine Moyes. A distortion of real events, too, when everyone involved in the process knows Rooney's exit strategy pre-dates the arrival of the new manager.

What happened was Moyes made a slightly naive remark during an interview on United's pre-season visit to Bangkok. "Overall, my thought on Wayne is, if for any reasons we had an injury to Robin van Persie, we'll need him," he said. That quote, in isolation, looks pretty damning, whereas the rest of the interview made it clear that Rooney was still a key component of the team. The quote was picked out, the damage was done and the Rooney camp saw their chance. That was the point it was leaked that Rooney was "angry and confused". Behind the scenes, Moyes's irritation is spread several different ways – with Chelsea, the player's agent, Paul Stretford, the headline-writers, maybe even a little with himself.

He hasn't bitten, though. Even when Mourinho has apparently been trying to get inside Rooney's head, Moyes has never complained in the way he did at Everton when Manchester City were trying to sign Joleon Lescott. His strategy appears to be: don't get wound up, don't let it show if something has got under your skin. Moyes is a streetwise, experienced operator but you would fear for him if he started trying to take on Mourinho in the way Ferguson once did. The new United manager simply does not have the presence of his predecessor. Far better to keep schtum, let the compliments flow, and at Old Trafford on Monday the red wine, too. If there is one thing Mourinho hates, it is not getting a reaction.

Mourinho was asked how he saw himself getting on with the man three months his junior. "The difference is the routine of being friends, of being relaxed together, before the match and after the match, being together again and having a laugh," he said, bringing Ferguson back into it. "With David, we don't have that kind of relationship. But we have a good relationship. We can start the kind of relationship I had with Sir Alex."

There were compliments as well. Of course there were. Mourinho often decorates his best verbal swipes with kind words around the edges. He did the same in his first press conference back at Stamford Bridge in June, full of welcoming praise for Moyes, then following it up by questioning how a manager with no Champions League experience or trophy background would do in Europe's premier club competition. "People can't expect him to be a fish in water," the man who has won the European Cup with Porto and Internazionale concluded. In the next sentence Mourinho remembered he had managed "I think, 108 matches" at that level.

Moyes, one suspects, is going to need a thick skin. http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/25/jose-mourinho-david-moyes
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Hats off to Daniel Taylor for telling it like it is, not drooling over Jose's every word like almost every other Journo. He's an insufferable cnut, and the last great thing SAF did for this club was not naming Mourinho as his successor.
 
He was bleating on about his record against us awhile ago. He conveniently ignores that he ran away from England as soon as fergie's completed the transitional phase and formed his next great united side.

Tonight's game has more significance than usual early seasons meetings of big sides IMO. As a fan it won't affect me, but I feel it can help moyes relieve pressure to get one over mourinho early on and puncture the mourinho bubble.
 
Did they remove Mourinho's brain in Madrid or something?

I don't remember him being this much of a feckwit. If anything stupidity was the one thing you couldn't accuse him of, now it flows out of his mouth at such an alarming rate they might have to build another Thames Barrier just to contain it.
 
"Overall, my thought on Wayne is, if for any reasons we had an injury to Robin van Persie, we'll need him," said Moyes.
He added: "Wayne can play up on his own, he can play dropped in. It's going to be a time to see how I work with Wayne.
"Manchester United isn't about Wayne Rooney. Manchester United is about the team - the club.
"I won't allow Wayne Rooney to become more important than the football club and the football team, because that's the heart of it."
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Jose does have a point , it did come across at the the time that Rooney was second choice at United.
 
noodlehair said:
Did they remove Mourinho's brain in Madrid or something?

I don't remember him being this much of a feckwit. If anything stupidity was the one thing you couldn't accuse him of, now it flows out of his mouth at such an alarming rate they might have to build another Thames Barrier just to contain it.
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The years he's spent away from England have clouded your memory - he's always been a fecktard.
 
LR7 said:
Hats off to Daniel Taylor for telling it like it is, not drooling over Jose's every word like almost every other Journo. He's an insufferable cnut, and the last great thing SAF did for this club was not naming Mourinho as his successor.
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Good article. Best thing for Moyes to do is ignore these jibes and hopefully do the talking on pitch. As Daniel Taylor points out, Mourinho hates not getting reaction.
 
He's well and truly at it again. Noodles has a point though. His comments have already been better. This was just a bit idiotic from him.
 
Feed Me said:
The years he's spent away from England have clouded your memory - he's always been a fecktard.
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He's always been a cock, but I can't remember him being as stupid as this.

The Rooney bid comments served no purpose other than to make himself sound like an idiot, and now he's making it painfully obvious that he wanted the United job and isn't happy about not getting it. Moyes doesn't even have to say anything.

I mean, there were snippets of idiocy the last time around, like when he criticised ROnaldo for his poor upbringing, for some reason. Or when he claimed he was forced to buy rubbish players, whilst still managing the team they played for...but it's constant now. The last few months at Madrid onwards, it's just constant defensive idiocy. What's going to happen if Chelsea lose a few games?
 
I don't find Mourinho particularly annoying but those who treat him like a demi-god are really tiresome. Definitely makes me want to win the title more than in previous years.
 
Hectic said:
feck. I really forgot how much of a massive, unbearable smug twat he is. His face reminds me of bad karma.
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I was hoping he manages us for 3-4 years after SAF retirement, brings champions league and then there is fairytale return of Ole for long term to take over. All fantasy, but it is better how it has turned out in real. Sir Bobby was spot on while doubting Mourinho's credentials for Man United manager post. He would have tarnished it. As a fan it would have been pain to defend his comments and antics week in, week out.
 
Noods is right - a constant stream of self-serving shit flows from Mourinho's mouth.

If it was any other manager, they'd be widely ridiculed, but the press in England are so sycophantic when it comes to Jose that they lap it up as genius mind games.

He's proving himself to be an insufferable tit. I actually wanted him to be Ferguson's replacement, but his nonsense since coming back to the league makes me happy that he's gone to Chelsea and not us.
 
He's basically repeated what Moyes said about Martinez. Maureen on a wind-up's quite fun, actually. Absolutely detest the smug bastard, but can understand the media's love for him. he must sell more copy than a celeb sex tape.
 
SirAF said:
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Well they did for the most part. Yeah, there were occasions when the media went to town on Ferguson, but they mostly fawned over him.

As for Mourinho- the media's approach to him is quite reminiscent of how they treated Ferguson. Every banal comment pored over so they can extract some meaning from it & apply to the bizarre "mind games" narrative they've created over the last decade or so.

The whole thing's a fecking soap opera. I don't know why people get their knickers in a twist over what managers say & how the media report it.
 
De Selby said:
Well they did for the most part. Yeah, there were occasions when the media went to town on Ferguson, but they mostly fawned over him.

As for Mourinho- the media's approach to him is quite reminiscent of how they treated Ferguson. Every banal comment pored over so they can extract some meaning from it & apply to the bizarre "mind games" narrative they've created over the last decade or so.

The whole thing's a fecking soap opera. I don't know why people get their knickers in a twist over what managers say & how the media report it.
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The media love the mind games angle, but let's not pretend they've plucked it from their arses. Both Ferguson and Mourinho are calculated mother lovers, and everything they publicly say is designed to have an impact.
 
Sir Alex was careful not to say anything stupid but most of the time you could see he was bored and tired of responding to most of the questions.
 
You know what we should be grateful to Mourinho for? He'll make City winning the league a bit more palatable.
 
Brwned said:
Sir Alex was careful not to say anything stupid but most of the time you could see he was bored and tired of responding to most of the questions.
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Perhaps. But there were loads of times when you could see SAF using a press conference to make a point. He was extremely calculated at times.

This is the best manager press conference I've ever seen in terms of manipulating the situation through the media. Ferguson was a politician as well as a football manager:

 
Mourinho's going over the top with the "look at me I'm back in the Premier league" attention seeking and Moyes is having a nightmare in terms of saying stupid fecking things. I just hope Moyes can hold his tongue.
 
Zen86 said:
Mourinho's going over the top with the "look at me I'm back in the Premier league" attention seeking and Moyes is having a nightmare in terms of saying stupid fecking things. I just hope Moyes can hold his tongue.
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The press have lapped it up.

I don't see Moyes snapping - he's managed to hold his tongue thus far.

The Mourinho focus is quite something. I switched on SSN this morning, and they led with "Mourinho's return to Old Trafford". It was as though us having a new manager for the first time in 27 years in his first home game was a total irrelevance.

It doesn't really matter though. Once the game starts, Mourinho can't influence anything with his nonsense.
 
Jose's tweaking of facts notwithstanding, this is clever stuff. He's trying to push Moyes towards the deep end by almost taunting him with a faux pas that might have gone all but unnoticed at Everton but causes headlines at United. If there ever was a time and place for mind games it's here and now; the first real test for the greatest of all time's successor. With a few perfectly calculated sentences the pressure slightly increases, not only ahead of arguably the most scrutinized game of Moyes's career, but also with regards to the Rooney saga. Welcome to the big time, David, this is the annoying prick you'll have to get the better of if you're gonna be successful. I, for one, believe in you.
 
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