I know what you mean I said that and I was called bitter. He would still have been a great manager but that definitely speeded things up for him. He most likely doesn't join Chelsea though like you said. Luck plays a big part in the game at times and he is just an example of that as good as he is he got his big break somewhat luckily. I think he is somewhat overrated still a great manager though. He was also lucky against Barca with Inter but like I said it's part of the game.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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I know what you mean I said that and I was called bitter. He would still have been a great manager but that definitely speeded things up for him. He most likely doesn't join Chelsea though like you said. Luck plays a big part in the game at times and he is just an example of that as good as he is he got his big break somewhat luckily. I think he is somewhat overrated still a great manager though. He was also lucky against Barca with Inter but like I said it's part of the game.
I don't think it would have been a much longer route, no. It would have gone to overtime and we would nick it in PK's. So it would take some 45 minutes more for him to be approached by Chelsea - first rumors came when we eliminated United, not when we won the CL. A bit weird, since Ranieri was still on the competition as well, but I'm pretty sure Mourinho was approached quite some time before the end of the season.
IF we had lost that tie (losing the game wouldn't necessarily equate to that) I think he would be exactly where he his now, i.e., indisputably one of the top 2/3 most wanted managers in the world. He's the most reliable manager around. When he's clearly favorite, he wins the league. It has been like that every year in his career. That consistency doesn't come cheap. In the CL he gives you at least as good a chance as anyone else you can think of. It says something that the only season one can really call "disappointing" was the last one, the first one after over 10 years of career. Even in his short jobs at Benfica and Leiria before Porto he did a lot better than the ones before/after him. Leiria was ahead of Porto on the league when we hired him mid-season. That's unheard of in either club's history.
He's not where he his because of that bad call.
IF we had lost that tie (losing the game wouldn't necessarily equate to that) I think he would be exactly where he his now, i.e., indisputably one of the top 2/3 most wanted managers in the world. He's the most reliable manager around. When he's clearly favorite, he wins the league. It has been like that every year in his career. That consistency doesn't come cheap. In the CL he gives you at least as good a chance as anyone else you can think of. It says something that the only season one can really call "disappointing" was the last one, the first one after over 10 years of career. Even in his short jobs at Benfica and Leiria before Porto he did a lot better than the ones before/after him. Leiria was ahead of Porto on the league when we hired him mid-season. That's unheard of in either club's history.
He's not where he his because of that bad call.
If Scholes' goal had counted as it should have we would not have reached extra time was the point being made. I definitely think that keeps him in Portugal a year or two longer but his overall success? No he was/is too hungry and is a winner. I think many would have expected better this year and I remember we stopped his Chelsea team in their tracks, Inter where comfortably the best team in Italy and he almost lost the title to Roma in his treble season. I respect his ability to win but in certain situations it would be hard for him to explain failing due to the backing he gets all credit to him though he delivers. Hence why things ended so badly at Madrid he puts that pressure on by demanding everything he wants so he must justify it if he doesn't win hard to do so. If Madrid had won he would still be there. Nobody suggested he is just that is sped things up which is hard to deny that win put him in the shop window.
Why? Is it one of those "all the future would have been different" things? We did score a goal, remember? And won 2-1 in the home leg. Am I just supposed to accept that Porto wouldn't seek an equalizer being just one goal down in the tie?
Of course not the point was not to get into a debate on the legitimacy of your win you won the competition that is what counts. That team and manager where great. There what if's every year in football. What if Terry didn't slip. What if Sheringham and Solskjaer didn't score in the last minute. We where just discussing that particular scenario you don't need to come in and then say no but Mourinho etc etc that was not the point of our discussion. We are making no attempt to dismiss his achievements don't feel you have to defend them is my point.
Winning the CL that year was not the reason we went for him (he had agreed to join before the final).
I don't think if the game against United had gone differently it would have had a difference.
I don't think if the game against United had gone differently it would have had a difference.
I'm defending Porto, not Mourinho. We were benefactors of a refereeing mistake, like so many other mistakes every game, that shifted the odds slightly on our favour, like all big mistakes in this game do, at least the ones that involve offsides, PK's and red cards. But the conclusion that if that mistake hadn't happened you would have gone through is systematic, with everyone ignoring that there was still about 60 minutes (at the least) to go, that you were only one goal ahead, and that we had a team capable of chasing that goal. You weren't robbed of a winning goal, you were robbed of a goal that gave you a more comfortable lead. You were still ahead after that goal, and you still lost the tie, so we weren't mere spectators that were gifted an unworthy victory. To assume we would wither and you would gone through is pure speculating.
In regards to Mourinho it's my opinion that his position in world football would be the same, possibly with one less international title, who knows? I'm not defending him, just giving my opinion. Much like I think Ronaldo would still be one of the best players in the world if he had twisted his ankle in the beginning of the friendly between Sporting and you lot.
Again we are discussing Mourinho here more than Porto but I see where you are coming from. Just a harmless what if really. We are talking about a scenario where we won and Porto went out now how the match would have played out at 2-0 up. We were discussing that in relation to Mourinho and his standing in the game. No one here is trying to discredit Porto's win like I said before these things happen in football all the time Man United have benefited from it many times ourselves. You agree with the general consensus when it comes to Mourinho though so it's all fine.
You went for him before the round of 16? I doubt that mate. It made him a household name winning with Porto and that iconic run down the touchline.
First rumors came after that game if I recall correctly. He had won the Europa League the year before, and won two leagues in a row with Porto at a time when we weren't champions for 3 years in a row. Obviously the game against United putted him in the spotlight of the British media/clubs, but that isn't to say they wouldn't have considered him regardless of the result. We made an impressive display against you lot, particularly in the first tie, which was overshadowed by that bad refereeing call.
Chelsea might have considered Mourinho only after we played United, but the display, his confidence in the press room, etc, all contributed to that. It wasn't because he eventually got a CL title, because the deal was made much earlier than that. He didn't even celebrated the victory against Monaco properly, as he knew some fans were already bitter with him by then due to all the background speculation. All this to say that even if we'd lost the game narrowly there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't have been noticed by a bigger club from a bigger league.
The "Special One" thing for example, even though he only coined it at Chelsea, wasn't some newly-gained confidence from the CL. He had that sort of attitude in the press room since the beggining of his career. He was a nobody when he joined Porto and the first thing he said would that we WOULD be Champions the following season - when we weren't favorites in the eyes of anybody else (5th in the league). He's always been a confident and competent man destined to success. There isn't much point in arguing it could have taken him another year or so to reach the pinnacle of football. You can construct that argument for almost every player/manager around.
Chelsea might have considered Mourinho only after we played United, but the display, his confidence in the press room, etc, all contributed to that. It wasn't because he eventually got a CL title, because the deal was made much earlier than that. He didn't even celebrated the victory against Monaco properly, as he knew some fans were already bitter with him by then due to all the background speculation. All this to say that even if we'd lost the game narrowly there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't have been noticed by a bigger club from a bigger league.
The "Special One" thing for example, even though he only coined it at Chelsea, wasn't some newly-gained confidence from the CL. He had that sort of attitude in the press room since the beggining of his career. He was a nobody when he joined Porto and the first thing he said would that we WOULD be Champions the following season - when we weren't favorites in the eyes of anybody else (5th in the league). He's always been a confident and competent man destined to success. There isn't much point in arguing it could have taken him another year or so to reach the pinnacle of football. You can construct that argument for almost every player/manager around.
That's racist.
Now that's the difference that Philip Neville makes.
Good to see him enjoying himself again. You can't keep a good man down. Mourinho is better than good.
If you ask me, every successful club/manager will have that stroke of luck moment which will bring them their breakthrough. In long run things like this will eventually even themselves out, and it is their ability which will bring them success. Think of Luis Garcia's "phantom goal" against Chelsea. Bentiez's Liverpool eventually went to the final where they stage a ridiculous comeback against Milan, but in the next final, they conceded a freak Pippo Inzaghi goal from with the ball hitting his bum from a freekick.
So he labelled himself as The Godfather now, eh?
This man has ego-issues, let's see how long it takes before we see the first signs of friction between him and the board, players or fans. I reckon about a week after his second loss/draw in a row.
Apparently he has told the Inter president that they'll see eachother in three years time, always nice to keep your options open for the future...
This man has ego-issues, let's see how long it takes before we see the first signs of friction between him and the board, players or fans. I reckon about a week after his second loss/draw in a row.
Apparently he has told the Inter president that they'll see eachother in three years time, always nice to keep your options open for the future...
Did people actually want this man as next Man United manager?
Moratti in La Stampa: I called Mourinho to congratulate him on his return to Chelsea.
La Stampa: What did Jose say?
Moratti: He said that we'll see each other again at inter in 3 years"
La Stampa: What did Jose say?
Moratti: He said that we'll see each other again at inter in 3 years"
What an absolutely despicable human being he is, how the mighty Manchester United could put up with a manager who'd utter such unforgivable words I can't imagine.
Who said anything about being despicable you weirdo? I'm just pointing out that getting such a short term manager in defeats the point of hiring someone to take over from Sir Alex. He'll never stay anywhere
I'll bet you a tenner tenner Mourino is at Chelsea longer than Moyes is at Man United.
It was only a couple of months ago that he said the club he loved the most and he was most happy at was Inter.
Fergie had the best interests of this club in mind when he overlooked him. Mourinho only ever has his own best interests in mind.
Fergie had the best interests of this club in mind when he overlooked him. Mourinho only ever has his own best interests in mind.
Why a minimum of 3 years of the best manager around is such a nightmare scenario I've no idea. Every other top club in Europe has demonstrated success without having 2 decades with 1 man in charge.
We gave Moyes a rather ludicrous 6 year deal and if the board let Fergie pick the manager then he's not going to let them sack him very easily either. I wouldn't fancy your chances.
It's a tenner for gimps like me who can't type/see correctly.
You gonna take the bet like a man or criticise my typing like an annoying man?
It's a unit of currency which sings higher than a baritone but lower than a countertenor.
Whoa. My first official redcafe bet. I'm shaking.
And none of this "give the winning to the Caf" nonsense. I'm spending your hard earned ten quid on whatever John Terry merch I can find.
A newbie called GoodGuy PM'd me and asked to let you all know that "the 2016 Champions League Final will be played at the San Siro so Mourinho said he will return at San Siro with Chelsea in the final".
i think its undecided yet, which stadium will hold it
classic dufferPathetic attempt at mind games. I'm just gonna focus on my own team and not mention any other posters.
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1503230/jose-mourinho-plans-inter-milan-return-three-years?cc=5901
Inter Milan president Massimo Moratti has claimed Jose Mourinho intends to return to the San Siro in three years.
Mourinho returned to Chelsea in June, signing a four-year contract and speaking of the need for stability at Stamford Bridge after a series of managerial changes in recent years.
GettyImagesMourinho enjoyed a highly successful spell with Inter.
However, Moratti, who maintains a good relationship with Mourinho after the Portuguese’s highly successful two-season stint at Inter, has claimed that the coach has already set his sights on a return to the Nerazzurri.
“I called Mourinho to congratulate him on his return to Chelsea,” Moratti was quoted as saying in La Stampa. “What did Jose say? He said, in three years, we’ll meet again at Inter.”
Mourinho led Inter to back-to-back Serie A titles and also secured the Champions League and Coppa Italia in his final campaign before departing for Real Madrid.
Despite Moratti’s comments, Chelsea goalkeeper Petr Cech is convinced Mourinho will remain in West London if he can deliver silverware.
“We need trophies (for stability),” Cech, speaking at an adidas Blue Pitch project, said. “If we fulfil our targets, for sure we will keep the same manager.
“We will have a go. We will try to win as much as we can. We will count the trophies at the end of the season. A club of the size of Chelsea Football Club, you need to target as best as possible and see if you can make it or not.
“Last season we won the Europa League - it was the first time the club had played in the competition and we managed to win it. It was a successful campaign, but obviously our target is to play better in the Champions League than we did last season. If we can challenge the teams to win it, we will try to do it.”
He added: “Jose Mourinho can't be more hungry. He didn't come back to enjoy his life. We are all here to try to prepare and to try to win things together. He's the same (as before). The motivation is the same, the hunger for success is the same and you can see that the demand he has for the team is the same.
“He wants to be the best, we would like to be the best - let's see if we can fulfil our expectations.”
I assume theres a decent percentage of people on here who were appalled at moyes "foolish" and "amateur" pursuit of fabreags making other targets unviable, similarly aghast at how stupid mourinho has been mentioning having a plan b and c after rooney? or are those criticisms reserved to our own side. or was it actually a ridiculous criticism of moyes in the first place?
Seriously, what is up with the media's ridiculous love for mourinho? It's fecking weird is what it is? The cheesy nature of everything surrounding him is strange. It's as if he's the guy whose dominated English football for two decades instead of winning two league titles.
He's nicer to them than Fergie was, and has won Portuguese, English, Italian and Spanish Leagues plus Champions Leagues with Italian and Portugese teams.
Besides, they need someone to write about. He sells papers.