Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager

PSG are not close to winning the champs league and he probably has no interest in the French League at the moment.

His kids goto school in London and he knows exactly what he is getting into at Chelsea.

His ego also thinks he can probably tear a Fergie-less Premier League a new arsehole.
 
TheRisingSun said:
There's been a couple of articles floating around saying that he turned down the United job as he wanted to be in London, close to his family home and daughter's college.

And there was a poll on here at the time - Mourinho got about twice as many votes as anyone else, if I remember correctly. The buzz when the "Mourinho to United" bandwagon was gathering steam immediately after Ferguson's statement to the resignation when it became apparent it would be Moyes were in stark contrast.
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Eh? Jose was never in the running for the United job. It was very widely reported that no contact was made with him regarding this.
 
Vato1979 said:
Thanks for the title last year Mourinho, can't say I'm sad to see the back of you though.

Now to the important things, where's this Klopp fella?
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Can't say that I'm sad either. Not that I don't value competition, but I'd much rather a more civil kind of competition than Mourinho's antics. The Barca-Real relationship will probably get better now that he's leaving, meaning less nonsense on and off the pitch.
 
coolredwine said:
Eh? Jose was never in the running for the United job. It was very widely reported that no contact was made with him regarding this.
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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/466716/20130510/jose-mourinho-rejected-sir-alex-ferguson-david.htm

AS and the Portugeuse media reported that he WAS approached but didn't covet the job as much as some United fans were convinced.

Who knows anyway, it's all speculation.

Rob Beasley in the Sun this morning saying that Jose wants to build a legacy at Chelsea with an emphasis on youth - and he's very close to him. I said that the next place he goes to, he would want to bed in for some time....
 
TheRisingSun said:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/466716/20130510/jose-mourinho-rejected-sir-alex-ferguson-david.htm

AS and the Portugeuse media reported that he WAS approached but didn't covet the job as much as some United fans were convinced.

Who knows anyway, it's all speculation.

Rob Beasley in the Sun this morning saying that Jose wants to build a legacy at Chelsea with an emphasis on youth - and he's very close to him. I said that the next place he goes to, he would want to bed in for some time....
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Ah yes, that's a nice idea for Mourinho and Chelsea to push: United came begging for him, but he turned them down.

Bullshit.
 
I don't know whether Mourinho turned us down but I wouldn't see it as a huge snub if he had. When United looked at candidates they'll have had a criteria and when they approached a manager they will have sat them down and told them what would be expected of them (long term contract, commitment to youth, certain style of football etc.).

If Mourinho was asked but wasn't prepared to take that on then it's a shame but fair play to him, we shouldn't be crying about not getting a manager who doesn't buy into the whole package, he can have his few years at Chelsea and then leave when Abramovich gets tired of his new toy again.

If he wasn't asked, the board and Fergie must have thought Moyes was a better choice and I'm not gonna question that, at least not until he's had a fair crack at the job.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
I don't know whether Mourinho turned us down but I wouldn't see it as a huge snub if he had. When United looked at candidates they'll have had a criteria and when they approached a manager they will have sat them down and told them what would be expected of them (long term contract, commitment to youth, certain style of football etc.).

If Mourinho was asked but wasn't prepared to take that on then it's a shame but fair play to him, we shouldn't be crying about not getting a manager who doesn't buy into the whole package, he can have his few years at Chelsea and then leave when Abramovich gets tired of his new toy again.

If he wasn't asked, the board and Fergie must have thought Moyes was a better choice and I'm not gonna question that, at least not until he's had a fair crack at the job.
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I'd think the fact that he has a house in London, has a wife who likes shopping in London and a daughter who is at arts college in London would be more significant than anything to do with managerial style.

Who knows, it's all pure speculation.
 
City and United didn't want him, I suspect it would've been different had he conducted himself with more dignity at Real. Then again he was hardly successful either.
 
Spoony Kobayashi said:
City and United didn't want him, I suspect it would've been different had he conducted himself with more dignity at Real. Then again he was hardly successful either.
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A blip over an incredibly successful managerial career. Still left with an excellent win % record and having hauled an underperforming club to 3 semi-finals in a row where he lost by fine margins.

Anyone questioning Mourinho's credentials due to what happened at Real (where he still managed to overhaul "the greatest club side ever" whilst at their peak with a record points total) is in for a rude awakening.

He will come back with a point to prove, with the bit between his teeth. He is the best manager in world football in my opinion.
 
Zen86 said:
As if he would turn us down, he was fecking desperate to come here.
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Says who? He's never been quoted as saying such. Just an assumption, the mother of all feck ups.

There is only one club in England he has repeatedly been quoted as saying he loves and wants to return to manage - Chelsea.
 
TheRisingSun said:
Says who? He's never been quoted as saying such. Just an assumption, the mother of all feck ups.

There is only one club in England he has repeatedly been quoted as saying he loves and wants to return to manage - Chelsea.
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I seem to remember him sounding us out quite a bit a couple of years ago, I'm not going digging for quotes though. Either way, who gives a shit, we have Moyes and I'm happy.
 
Zen86 said:
I seem to remember him sounding us out quite a bit a couple of years ago, I'm not going digging for quotes though. Either way, who gives a shit, we have Moyes and I'm happy.
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Nope. Just an assumption made by United fans and the English media. He even told Paddy Crerand before that Real Madrid game that he could never see himself at United.
 
TheRisingSun said:
There's been a couple of articles floating around saying that he turned down the United job as he wanted to be in London, close to his family home and daughter's college.

And there was a poll on here at the time - Mourinho got about twice as many votes as anyone else, if I remember correctly. The buzz when the "Mourinho to United" bandwagon was gathering steam immediately after Ferguson's statement to the resignation when it became apparent it would be Moyes were in stark contrast.
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Fergie was after a specific type of manager and Jose didn't fit the mold. He might have won a poll on redcafe but the majority of people I have spoken to didn't want Jose at the club and preferred someone like Moyes instead.
 
hp88 said:
Fergie was after a specific type of manager and Jose didn't fit the mold. He might have won a poll on redcafe but the majority of people I have spoken to didn't want Jose at the club and preferred someone like Moyes instead.
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I do think Moyes was the right man for United but it's funny that he was Redcafe's 3rd choice.
 
No decent manager, especially one with an ego the size of 'the special one' would refuse an opportunity at OT. No way. Unless they were uncertain of living up to the standards set and required. Whilst he's been reasonable at Real - a club that compares with us in tradition, etc. - he's hardly set it alight and made quite a few enemies.

He may well have been considered but he certainly wouldn't have been top and not being top would have been a massive belt to his ego.

It's bullshit.
 
fjred said:
No decent manager, especially one with an ego the size of 'the special one' would refuse an opportunity at OT. No way. Unless they were uncertain of living up to the standards set and required. Whilst he's been reasonable at Real - a club that compares with us in tradition, etc. - he's hardly set it alight and made quite a few enemies.

He may well have been considered but he certainly wouldn't have been top and not being top would have been a massive belt to his ego.

It's bullshit.
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There's more to the picture than just the football club. There's the city, a city where you own a house, a city where your daughter studies. One of the world's international cities, a playground for the rich. There's a past with Chelsea and the fact that he's never hidden his love or desire to return.

There's more to the picture than just the football club. No one is denying that United is a massive club, but the assumption many United fans have made that Jose has coveted that job for his whole career strikes me as arrogant and unsubstantiated.
 
TRS is as blind and deluded as Wenger it seems.

If Mourinho creates a dynasty at Chelsea then it'll go against him and RA's previous methods. The chances of that happening are pretty low.
 
TheRisingSun said:
There's more to the picture than just the football club. There's the city, a city where you own a house, a city where your daughter studies. One of the world's international cities, a playground for the rich. There's a past with Chelsea and the fact that he's never hidden his love or desire to return.

There's more to the picture than just the football club. No one is denying that United is a massive club, but the assumption many United fans have made that Jose has coveted that job for his whole career strikes me as arrogant and unsubstantiated.
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His family in London hasn't stopped him working in Italy and Spain. Manchester isn't a million miles away. He wasn't top of the list and it's upset him so he's come out with this bullshit.
 
fjred said:
His family in London hasn't stopped him working in Italy and Spain. Manchester isn't a million miles away. He wasn't top of the list and it's upset him so he's come out with this bullshit.
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Either way, I'm happy. Mourinho and United would have been a fearsome prospect.
 
Well, fair enough. That's your prerogative. I personally think United have made a terrible mistake not securing Mourinho.

One of us will be proved right.
 
TheRisingSun said:
Well, fair enough. That's your prerogative. I personally think United have made a terrible mistake not securing Mourinho.

One of us will be proved right.
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If United have a mediocre start to the season then you can feck right off with any "I told you so!". There's plenty of Chelsea forums around. Fergie didn't want Mourinho, Chelsea did. End of fecking story.
 
charleysurf said:
If United have a mediocre start to the season then you can feck right off with any "I told you so!". There's plenty of Chelsea forums around. Fergie didn't want Mourinho, Chelsea did. End of fecking story.
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You don't know who United did or didn't want. You've just seen the end result.
 
TheRisingSun said:
Well, fair enough. That's your prerogative. I personally think United have made a terrible mistake not securing Mourinho.

One of us will be proved right.
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Said like a proper Mourinho fan boy, you talk like he's the only competent manager in football. He's not been chosen and don't kid yourself, it wasn't a case of him turning us down, there so many flaws in the theory that he did and so many obvious signs that he craved the job. He didn't get it. The important thing for him and his supporters is to move on.
 
TheRisingSun said:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/466716/20130510/jose-mourinho-rejected-sir-alex-ferguson-david.htm

AS and the Portugeuse media reported that he WAS approached but didn't covet the job as much as some United fans were convinced.

Who knows anyway, it's all speculation.

Rob Beasley in the Sun this morning saying that Jose wants to build a legacy at Chelsea with an emphasis on youth - and he's very close to him. I said that the next place he goes to, he would want to bed in for some time....
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This ibtimes is not exactly credible isnt it! When I read "according to reports in Portugal..." I didn't need to read on.

If he has ever been approached for the united job and turned it down, he would be the first to tell the Times. This is just rubbish.

Everyone wants a job at United.
 
TheRisingSun said:
You don't know who United did or didn't want. You've just seen the end result.
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Of course we don't. But we know the standards the club has set, what Charlton said about Mourinho a while ago and the spirit of the club (bringing through youth, long term plans). Moyes fits the bill perfectly, whereas Mourinho would have been a total change in the club's approach to... well everything really. The difference is one hasn't won anything, and the other has. But that's about all Mourinho had going for him. And I'd like to think that as a club we're looking further than just "win at all costs". The choice that has been made seems to vindicate that view. Whether or not Moyes was our first choice, whether or not we were turned down by Mourinho, we'll probably never know. But I think it's not ridiculous to believe that Moyes was indeed our first choice as he seems more in keeping with the traditions of the club.
 
Agree with that. RisingSun's been desperate to prove Mourinho 'rejected United for Chelsea' since we appointed Moyes.
 
Mourinho was and is still my first choice and I stand by that even though he's going to Chelsea. :D

That said, despite being sceptical I'm interested in seeing what Moyes is going to do at United and whether he's able to handle the pressure.
 
Trying to talk to a Chelsea fan about 'club standards' is pointless. They just see it as black and white. 'This manager is better than that one', so you've made a terrible mistake'.

United and Chelsea as clubs couldn't be further apart. In tradition and what the club and fans expect of our manager.
 
TheRisingSun said:
You don't know who United did or didn't want. You've just seen the end result.
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We don't know but we can use logics and common sense to guess, whereas what you said doesn't make sense. If there is a club Jose wants to join, it will be United. Chelsea would be his second choice, and a more realistic prospect for him.

The ball is now in Roman's court. If Chelsea offers hum the job, he will take it in a heart beat now that there's no vacancy at united for him to apply
 
redevil2 said:
We don't know but we can use logics and common sense to guess, whereas what you said doesn't make sense. If there is a club Jose wants to join, it will be United. Chelsea would be his second choice, and a more realistic prospect for him.

The ball is now in Roman's court. If Chelsea offers hum the job, he will take it in a heart beat now that there's no vacancy at united for him to apply
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How do you know this? Arguing over what job Jose would have chosen serves no purpose now other than an ego trip for the club's fans. Was fine discussing it before we appointed Moyes but now we have our manager this debate is pointless.
 
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