Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager

He walked into a bad situation at Real Madrid. With his ego and the player power they have, it was always going to end in ugly fashion and Mourinho did things such as target Casillas and call out players like Pepe, which only exacerbated the situation. Both sides are to blame for the state Madrid find themselves in now. With his other managerial stints, I find it harsh that people say he ruined the club.

He was great at Chelsea and the players who played under him, even ones with shit disturbing reputations like John Terry all love the guy. Chelsea got into trouble the day Roman decided he wanted to be a football manager and that problem has plagued Chelsea years after Mourinho left.

Inter was ruined because Moratti decided to go all in for the Champions League and didn't care about the future, like he's done before and will probaby do again. Make no mistake about it, Inter would've ended up this way, whether Mourinho or Ian Holloway was their manager because of Moratti being an idiot. And as with Chelsea, the players who played under him at Inter all talk about him with warm regards.
 
He's not going to be any better off a Chelsea or any other club with impatient owners or execs (like Madrid).

A better scenario for him would be to go to PSG and Madrid take Ancelotti, but the Ancelotti is probably too smart to move to Madrid. But yes, Mourinho at Chelsea would be a very good short term situation for Chelsea.
 
I am surprised that he would be interested in the Chelsea job with Roman still in charge. Roman doesn't look ready to mend his ways and take a back seat, does he?

This will be the craziest in a while.
 
He's had better stints in La Liga

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Raoul said:
He's not going to be any better off a Chelsea or any other club with impatient owners or execs (like Madrid).

A better scenario for United would be to go to PSG and Madrid take Ancelotti, but the Ancelotti is probably too smart to move to Madrid. But yes, Mourinho at Chelsea would be a very good short term situation for Chelsea.
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Gracious in defeat, ain't he?

He should go to Liverpool. He sounds just like King Kenny in that post-match interview. Their keeper was fantastic (but lucky too, of course), shots that hit the woodwork, blah blah: Basically they didn't deserve it. Git. Childish git at that.
 
Sarni said:
I'm on his side too, Madrid players feel they're bigger than the club and were trying to run the club from within. He's possibly the only man in the world who had the balls to put Casillas on the bench. He's actually been trying to fix what has been wrong about Madrid for years - too much authority given to certain players.
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You may be right here...but if there is one person who continuously states and shows he feels he is bigger than the club its Mourinho. Also, if he wants all the power in the club he should act as if he can handle it. As a manager you do not in public start talking about how bad one of your assets is (Casillas). Not smart business sense.....
 
How on earth is he right in this situation?

He's the most powerful manager in the history of Real Madrid(i.e they sacked their sporting director for him) and yet he has managed to alienate most of their players and now recently also fell out with Cristiano Ronaldo.

He's been a failure for Real Madrid.
 
KM said:
He's been a failure for Real Madrid.
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This season has been a disaster but you can't call his time at the club a failure. 1 Copa Del Ray and 1 La Liga during a time when Barcelona are widely regarded as 1 of the best sides ever is still an achievement.

I'd also add it's very difficult to judge anyone (player or manager) on how they perform at that circus of a club.
 
Carl said:
This season has been a disaster but you can't call his time at the club a failure. 1 Copa Del Ray and 1 La Liga during a time when Barcelona are widely regarded as 1 of the best sides ever is still an achievement.

I'd also add it's very difficult to judge anyone (player or manager) on how they perform at that circus of a club.
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He was brought in for 2 things. 1- End Barelona's reign. 2- Win La Decima.. I don't think he did either, so far.

Also, he chose to join that circus of a club. He could have stayed at Inter where he was worshipped by everybody.
 
Unlike Chelsea and possibly R.Madrid (if he leaves this summer) his timing when it came to leaving Inter was perfect. Left having won the treble, couldn't do any better so went elsewhere and got paid probably a lot more at R.Madrid.
 
Carl said:
This season has been a disaster but you can't call his time at the club a failure. 1 Copa Del Ray and 1 La Liga during a time when Barcelona are widely regarded as 1 of the best sides ever is still an achievement.

I'd also add it's very difficult to judge anyone (player or manager) on how they perform at that circus of a club.
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The circus was still well respected in the world, now the club is a joke. His team never played great football. He took one of the most expensive teams of all time with lots of attacking potential and turned it into a counter attacking team with no clue what to do in possession. And every time they lost he made some ridiculous excuses, blaming the referees or his players. His master strategy was to create hatred between Barca and Real players and when the spanish players decided that's a ridiculous idea and they didn't want to hate the players they won the european and world cup with, he had no idea how to handle the team. His man-management was shocking. One great season where his team was effective in the league is all he achieved. The team is in a worse situation than before he took over and the image of the club probably has suffered as well.

If Real is a circus, he wasn't a lion tamer, he was the clown, but everyone stopped laughing after a while, so he became useless and annoying.
 
Glad he didn't come here. I do like him though but I think he is slightly overrated in terms of tactics.
 
Balu said:
The circus was still well respected in the world, now the club is a joke. His team never played great football. He took one of the most expensive teams of all time with lots of attacking potential and turned it into a counter attacking team with no clue what to do in possession. And every time they lost he made some ridiculous excuses, blaming the referees or his players. His master strategy was to create hatred between Barca and Real players and when the spanish players decided that's a ridiculous idea and they didn't want to hate the players they won the european and world cup with, he had no idea how to handle the team. His man-management was shocking. One great season where his team was effective in the league is all he achieved. The team is in a worse situation than before he took over and the image of the club probably has suffered as well.

If Real is a circus, he wasn't a lion tamer, he was the clown, but everyone stopped laughing after a while, so he became useless and annoying.
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:lol: I love than analogy.
 
Balu said:
The circus was still well respected in the world, now the club is a joke. His team never played great football. He took one of the most expensive teams of all time with lots of attacking potential and turned it into a counter attacking team with no clue what to do in possession. And every time they lost he made some ridiculous excuses, blaming the referees or his players. His master strategy was to create hatred between Barca and Real players and when the spanish players decided that's a ridiculous idea and they didn't want to hate the players they won the european and world cup with, he had no idea how to handle the team. His man-management was shocking. One great season where his team was effective in the league is all he achieved. The team is in a worse situation than before he took over and the image of the club probably has suffered as well.

If Real is a circus, he wasn't a lion tamer, he was the clown, but everyone stopped laughing after a while, so he became useless and annoying.
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I think that if Del Bosque had been manager then, I am pretty certain they might have won a Champions League or another La Liga. He is a perfect man-manager and because he is Spanish, he wouldn't have created a division, and as you rightly stated, create hatred between the Spanish players of Barca and Real Madrid. It would be better off if Real just sacked Mourinho, because in the long run, their reputation is worth far more than some managers pay off. At this rate, Real are going to have rebuild the bridges that Mourinho has knocked down. I for one hope to God, that he doesn't come here in any capacity other than an opposing manager.
 
Balu said:
The circus was still well respected in the world, now the club is a joke. His team never played great football. He took one of the most expensive teams of all time with lots of attacking potential and turned it into a counter attacking team with no clue what to do in possession. And every time they lost he made some ridiculous excuses, blaming the referees or his players. His master strategy was to create hatred between Barca and Real players and when the spanish players decided that's a ridiculous idea and they didn't want to hate the players they won the european and world cup with, he had no idea how to handle the team. His man-management was shocking. One great season where his team was effective in the league is all he achieved. The team is in a worse situation than before he took over and the image of the club probably has suffered as well.

If Real is a circus, he wasn't a lion tamer, he was the clown, but everyone stopped laughing after a while, so he became useless and annoying.
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Did this actually happen? Can someone give me a rough breakdown of what's been going on at Madrid?
 
Plechazunga said:
Did this actually happen? Can someone give me a rough breakdown of what's been going on at Madrid?
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I think it may have something to do with the fact that he felt the Spanish contingent from both parties were too friendly. It is very probable that he wanted to cause some friction a couple of years. Also, whenever something went wrong, then it was either the referee, the officials or the Spanish players in his team. That is probably the tip of the iceberg though.
 
Carl said:
This season has been a disaster but you can't call his time at the club a failure. 1 Copa Del Ray and 1 La Liga during a time when Barcelona are widely regarded as 1 of the best sides ever is still an achievement.

I'd also add it's very difficult to judge anyone (player or manager) on how they perform at that circus of a club.
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I'm not sure why this is being used for judging Madrid.

Nobody forced Mourinho to take up the job, surely he knows the history of the club and the circus behind it. He shouldn't have taken the job.

Look at the money he has spent and then look at the trophy haul he has got there, also managed to alienate nearly all of his players which includes Arbeloa, Casillas, Pepe, Ramos, Ronaldo etc. He was given the job to fix the Real Madrid circus, he somehow made it worse.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he felt the Spanish contingent from both parties were too friendly. It is very probable that he wanted to cause some friction a couple of years. Also, whenever something went wrong, then it was either the referee, the officials or the Spanish players in his team. That is probably the tip of the iceberg though.
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Didn't Casillas call Xavi to apologize for Mourinho's behavior after the embarrassing press conference where Mourinho said that Guardiola can't be proud of his CL wins? Then Mourinho started to criticise the spanish players in public regularly and everything went downhill. Somehow they managed to get one great season out of the team but it had to explode at some point.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he felt the Spanish contingent from both parties were too friendly. It is very probable that he wanted to cause some friction a couple of years. Also, whenever something went wrong, then it was either the referee, the officials or the Spanish players in his team. That is probably the tip of the iceberg though.
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Come on, this isn't really news - Mou's modus operandi is through derision & antagonism. It risked not only mutual respect between the club & players but the balance of the NT, as well. They were right to iron things out and keep it about the football, not Mou's forté. Although I contend Alonso remains on the periphery along with Arbeloa
 
FCBarca said:
Come on, this isn't really news - Mou's modus operandi is through derision & antagonism. It risked not only mutual respect between the club & players but the balance of the NT, as well. They were right to iron things out and keep it about the football, not Mou's forté. Although I contend Alonso remains on the periphery along with Arbeloa
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Has there ever been mutual respect between madrid and Barca? Not suggesting otherwise, I genuinely don't know the history.
 
KM;13503155[B said:
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Nobody forced Mourinho to take up the job, surely he knows the history of the club and the circus behind it. He shouldn't have taken the job.

Look at the money he has spent and then look at the trophy haul he has got there, also managed to alienate nearly all of his players which includes Arbeloa, Casillas, Pepe, Ramos, Ronaldo etc. He was given the job to fix the Real Madrid circus, he somehow made it worse.
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I have to agree with this. Before Mourinho came along, Real Madrid were doing ok and their discipline.

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2007/08 Season: Under Bernd Schuster:     113 yellow cards.
2008/09: Season: Under Juande Ramos:      102 Yellow Cards
2009/10: Season: Under Manuel Pellegrini: 116 Yellow Cards.
2010/11: Season: Under Mourinho:          152 Yellow cards.
2011/12: Season: Under Mourinho:          139 Yellow cards.
2012/13: Season: Under Mourinho:          139 Yellow cards.

One interesting statistic is that Pepe under Schuster, Ramos and Pellegrini, he received 9 yellows in 3 seasons. Since Mourinho has taken over, he has had 34 yellow cards. It is a damning statistic and proves that even though Mourinho is a successful manager, he knows nothing about man-management.
 
Not bad info although RM were routinely at the bottom of La Liga in terms of fairplay, even before Mou - they just sunk lower with him

Pepe was an animal before Mou, as well. Ask Getafe's Captain, Casquero, in 2009 under Juande Ramos.
 
FCBarca said:
Come on, this isn't really news - Mou's modus operandi is through derision & antagonism. It risked not only mutual respect between the club & players but the balance of the NT, as well. They were right to iron things out and keep it about the football, not Mou's forté. Although I contend Alonso remains on the periphery along with Arbeloa
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And so many people were calling Casillas out. I applaud the man. Even you have to admit that Mourinho was trying to create an "us against them", mentality between the Portuguese and the Spanish contingent.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
And so many people were calling Casillas out. I applaud the man. Even you have to admit that Mourinho was trying to create an "us against them", mentality between the Portuguese and the Spanish contingent.
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Casillas, even from a culé like myself, is through & through a blanco. You can only respect him, his accomplishments, success and integrity - he's carried himself with class throughout his career. I despise the club but I recognize some of the greats from the club, like Hierro, Valdano & Del Bosque.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
I have to agree with this. Before Mourinho came along, Real Madrid were doing ok and their discipline.

Code: 
2007/08 Season: Under Bernd Schuster:     113 yellow cards.
2008/09: Season: Under Juande Ramos:      102 Yellow Cards
2009/10: Season: Under Manuel Pellegrini: 116 Yellow Cards.
2010/11: Season: Under Mourinho:          152 Yellow cards.
2011/12: Season: Under Mourinho:          139 Yellow cards.
2012/13: Season: Under Mourinho:          139 Yellow cards.

One interesting statistic is that Pepe under Schuster, Ramos and Pellegrini, he received 9 yellows in 3 seasons. Since Mourinho has taken over, he has had 34 yellow cards. It is a damning statistic and proves that even though Mourinho is a successful manager, he knows nothing about man-management.
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In 08/09 in the league alone Madrid had 113 yellow cards.
Also under Jose, Madrid have been playing more games every season as they have been reaching semi finals etc, thus obviously getting more yellow cards. Under Jose their yellow cards in the league has been 90,91 and 96. Under Pellegrini they had 90. I'm not sure there is any proof that their overall discipline is worse, the playacting is for sure though.
 
Real didn't behave that bad under Mourinho in most of the games. The games against Barca got to a whole new level in thuggishness and playacting. Other than that it was business as usual.
 
Balu said:
Real didn't behave that bad under Mourinho in most of the games. The games against Barca got to a whole new level in thuggishness and playacting. Other than that it was business as usual.
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I tend to agree, and Barcelona are just as bad as them in the classicos too.
 
Personally I think that Mou has failed at Madrid because he has to play attacking football. It is not his forte. He is more of a cynical pragmatist and of course that kind of approach is unacceptable at the Bernabeu. Mourinho's Real never carried that ominous air that his Chelsea side did. They always looked vulnerable at the back which is something that you do not associate with a trademark Mourinho side.
 
It was a poor appointment from RM really, if you take Mourinho you have to take him with his flaws included. Chelsea were prepared to do so, we apparently weren't.
 
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