Yeah true and it was probably Moratti's overspending that doomed them post Mourinho.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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Yeah true and it was probably Moratti's overspending that doomed them post Mourinho.
Selling Ibrahimovic for Eto'o + 35 million helped.
Their net spend was not much under Mourinho.
It was still a team that were considerable underdogs in the CL.
I think people constantly miss the main factor about Mourinho. He has never been underwhelming, at any team (natural variance of the game aside, of course). People go around clutching at straws looking for flaws in his success, when there are very few.
Look at the 2004 Champions League. People keep banging about it being a bad year for big teams. Of course that was true. But who profited from it? Not Didier Deschamps, not Javier Irureta, not Claudio Ranieri or Paul Le Guen. All had the chance to make history. It was an "easy year" for all of them. But it was Mourinho who did it. Exactly the same can be applied to the UEFA Cup in the previous year. The way some people try to turn this into a negative because it was a "weak CL" it's ridiculous. If it was weak, it was weak for everyone. But only one won. And it wasn't a remaining flat track bully. We deserved all the victories, with the only debatable tie being the one against United.
At Chelsea he had huge resources, true. And he used those resources to make them into a top team, and dominated the PL for two consecutive seasons in his first time there, breaking a point record in one of them? Sure, it would be harder at Tottenham or Liverpool, but it's still an achievement. If winning with money was that easy, why the hell Mancini can't reach a comparable level of success? Why the hell PSG weren't champions last year?
At Inter, what could he do? Most resourceful squad, true. And he made use of it, winning the League, a Cup, and a Champions League.
His most underwhelming record, so far, is at Real Madrid, but even there we have to question... Could anyone do better?
He is the most reliable manager around. A "bad season" for Mourinho, is, at the very least, a second place in the League and a Cup. At least so far. And 10 years managing at the top level, and at 4 different clubs, is a very respectable sample. Including 2012-13 already, he made 10 full seasons and won the league in 7. And it would be better, had he not been against one of the most talented teams ever for the past 3 seasons. Yeah, most of the time his teams were the favourites. But how many "favourites" can boost such consistency?
Whether he's right for United or not, it's not my place to argue (though in my simplistic opinion he is the one). But to try and undermine his success, because 2004 was a weak Champions League, or because Inter or Chelsea had more money than their opposition is ridiculous. Other teams were playing in that "weak CL" and didn't won, and other teams have had loads of money and none has been as consistent as his.
Look at the 2004 Champions League. People keep banging about it being a bad year for big teams. Of course that was true. But who profited from it? Not Didier Deschamps, not Javier Irureta, not Claudio Ranieri or Paul Le Guen. All had the chance to make history. It was an "easy year" for all of them. But it was Mourinho who did it. Exactly the same can be applied to the UEFA Cup in the previous year. The way some people try to turn this into a negative because it was a "weak CL" it's ridiculous. If it was weak, it was weak for everyone. But only one won. And it wasn't a remaining flat track bully. We deserved all the victories, with the only debatable tie being the one against United.
At Chelsea he had huge resources, true. And he used those resources to make them into a top team, and dominated the PL for two consecutive seasons in his first time there, breaking a point record in one of them? Sure, it would be harder at Tottenham or Liverpool, but it's still an achievement. If winning with money was that easy, why the hell Mancini can't reach a comparable level of success? Why the hell PSG weren't champions last year?
At Inter, what could he do? Most resourceful squad, true. And he made use of it, winning the League, a Cup, and a Champions League.
His most underwhelming record, so far, is at Real Madrid, but even there we have to question... Could anyone do better?
He is the most reliable manager around. A "bad season" for Mourinho, is, at the very least, a second place in the League and a Cup. At least so far. And 10 years managing at the top level, and at 4 different clubs, is a very respectable sample. Including 2012-13 already, he made 10 full seasons and won the league in 7. And it would be better, had he not been against one of the most talented teams ever for the past 3 seasons. Yeah, most of the time his teams were the favourites. But how many "favourites" can boost such consistency?
Whether he's right for United or not, it's not my place to argue (though in my simplistic opinion he is the one). But to try and undermine his success, because 2004 was a weak Champions League, or because Inter or Chelsea had more money than their opposition is ridiculous. Other teams were playing in that "weak CL" and didn't won, and other teams have had loads of money and none has been as consistent as his.
He could be the new phelan 
He would fit the bill, no doubt about that.
The guy is the best manager around to continue bringing trophies to Old Trafford. That's all I want. It could happen this summer, but I just don't see Fergie leaving just yet, he's still got too much desire and will to win. And physically he seems fine, he was up and shot down those steps in a split second when Nani was sent off!
Nice when your former players are so happy to see you again.
Mourinho interview from As. He talks about our knockout game vs Madrid amongst other things. His disregard of the fans in the last question made me chuckle.. He just doesn't give a shit. Something that could be grating if he were to manage us though.
Was he like that with the Chelsea and Milan fans, thought?
I don't think he likes the Madrid fans because they seem to be a bunch of cnuts.
Good point.
He said he'll not manage outside Spain, England, Italy and curiously added France to the list. Suggests the next stop is surely PSG or probably Monaco?
PSG will appeal to him I'm sure of it but I don't know if they will make that big a play for him to be honest. Ancelotti is hardly a shite manager is he and he is going along very nicely this season, although Barca will probably KO them, that's hardly a great failure in the CL. Reaching the QF can be seen as progress for PSG this season.
Why? Do you think he gives a shit about playing the likes of Metz and Toulouse week in week out. French Ligue sucks
I doubt Mourinho would be interested in PSG. However, the idea of adding another league to his collection and having a crack at the CL with loads of cash to spend might entice him a little bit. Would only be a short term gig, though.
Re: PSG ~ I think he's just putting himself in the shop window. There are fresh rumours from Italy that he's bound for Inter, with Rafa's mate Materazzi in tow.
Would be great if he could postpone going to England for a few years yet..
No of course he doesn't though he probably wouldn't mind keeping the domestic title wins run going, that would be 5 different countries he's won the league in.
Mourinho is clearly obsessed with the CL as he knows that's where the greats are judged. PSG would pay him shitloads and would give him a bottomless pit of cash to win it for them. What's not to like?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-mourinho-drops-hint-return-092952997.html
Lets hope this is true!
What no-one else agree?
Lets hope this is true!
What no-one else agree?
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-mourinho-drops-hint-return-092952997.html
Lets hope this is true!
What no-one else agree?
He'll be wasted there. Abramovich is showing no signs of changing.
Since Porto he has worked for nothing but difficult chairmen, something I think he has bemoaned from time to time. He could do with being the main man. Only one top club can offer him that.
Wycome Wande....Oh yeah, United.
I'm still unsure whether I want him at United. He speaks very highly of United, but I'm not too keen with his playing style. Plus, he's not big on giving youth products a chance (I might be completely wrong with that, but I can't remember him giving anyone chances at Chelsea - and at Madrid, the only youngster I see is Varane who shouldn't really count due to him being class anyway and isn't from Madrid's youth system).
I'll probably change my mind next week, and may revert back the following week. I guess I'll only truly know who I want when the dreading day comes when Fergie steps down.
Our next manager will be a stop-gap, might as well be Mourinho.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-mourinho-drops-hint-return-092952997.html
Lets hope this is true!
What no-one else agree?
His quote reads:
"It's not easy to choose a new destination after working in England, Portugal, Italy and Spain. Maybe I could return to somewhere I've already been. Watch out for surprises."
My interpretation is that he's talking about countries rather than clubs.
I think a move to Chelsea/Inter would make sense, I don't think he wants to move to City as it would kill off his chances of managing here.. but at the same time I feel he isn't going to be the next United manager.. Pep is.
If Pep managed us wouldn't that rule him out as much as history with City? If Pep came to United Mourinho would be back in the PL like a shot, reigniting his old rivalry.
There's a picture on Jeremy Vine's Twitter of Mourinho supposedly in Knightsbridge after holding talks with Abramovic...
"LOOKING GOOD. Mourinho in Knightsbridge this afternoon after reportedly holding talks with Roman. pic.twitter.com/Jydfic1U4U (via @FFChelseaFC)"
"LOOKING GOOD. Mourinho in Knightsbridge this afternoon after reportedly holding talks with Roman. pic.twitter.com/Jydfic1U4U (via @FFChelseaFC)"
He's nailed on for the Chelsea job next year isnt he?
It's looking more and more likely to me by the day. Hope not. But doesn't mean he can't come to us in the future though.
Rather Chelsea win the league than City so at least he won't be going there. Exactly what City need right now.
I bumped into Jose in Harrods a month or so back, was no reason for him to be in London, obviously was meeting Jose - but buying him a present prior to it
Great news if true; Mourinho and Chelsea are a perfect match.
It is going to get interesting again with him back in the PL
If JM goes to chelsea, I don't think he'll ever manage here. This isn't the Doc or Sexton era, nor is JM either of those two....if he goes to chelsea, he's never coming here.
JM -> chelsea, fergie stays till pep leaves bayern or ole is ready. city will probably try for someone like carlo.
JM -> chelsea, fergie stays till pep leaves bayern or ole is ready. city will probably try for someone like carlo.
Yeah they really do just fit. I wouldn't mind it if he went there, would be entertaining to have him back in the league and Chelsea's squad is so far off ours that they aren't a serious threat, for a few seasons anyway.
If he does go then it puts to bed any indication that Abramovich is losing interest though, and without a doubt Mourinho will have a significant budget to work with. He wouldn't take over a shite Chelsea team without the guarantee of investment.
Would be interesting if he went back there. Like a few others have said before, I'd take Chelsea over City winning anything.
Can't believe people are so relaxed about Jose apparently going back to Chelski, do you guys not remember the last time he was at Chelski, they just ran away with it! So forget Chelski vs Citeh - what about us! With a Jose-led Chelski, winning the league is going to be quite a lot more difficult!
Agreed.
More difficult, certainly. But we had a weaker team during the years he was at Chelsea than we do now. Personally, I'd rather see Mourinho back at Chelsea whilst we still have Fergie than at the same time as a new man steps in at United.