Yeah agreed.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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Yeah agreed.
Of that there can be little doubt.
I hope he doesn't go to any PL teams.
There's something slightly satisfying about him being out thought in these champions league games.
I hope Klopp's team finish the job because you know that if Mourinho went to Wembley Sky Sports would make it all about him and less about the clash of two European giants.
I hope Klopp's team finish the job because you know that if Mourinho went to Wembley Sky Sports would make it all about him and less about the clash of two European giants.
I really, really dont want Madrid to win the CL this year. An all German final would be very satisfying.
Has Mourinho been a failure at Real?
Yes imo, unless he's able to win the CL this season. 3 seasons at Real, with the most expensive squad ever, given far more control than most other managers are allowed there and it seems like all he'll come away with is one la liga and 1 (possibly 2) copa del rays.
Not too impressive.
I think he has 'failed' with Real Madrid also, purely if you look at what he had when he took over and what he has achieved.. The question is more, could anyone produce instant success there when he took over against that Barcelona side with an egotistical bunch of fannies?
I wouldn't say he's been a failure. Or a huge success. A respectable achievement, but hardly one that contributes much to the Myth of Mourinho.
A pragmatic and intelligent manager like Mourinho must have suspected it would end like this. Real's history regarding managerial appointments would only have reinforced that conclusion, and he knew how his time there was most likely to go even before he signed up. Therefore, I think he went to Real mainly for the prestige of having 'Real Madrid Head Coach' on his career record. He's nothing if not pragmatic, in the final analysis - if he became a success there, great; if not, well, he could always place some of the blame on 'the Real circus' amongst a host of choice excuses/reasons. In a manner of speaking, he had nothing to lose...but he's not gained much either.
Indeed.
Mourinho and a decent centre forward and they'll be big challengers next season.
The question for me is whether any other manager could have done more. They've been up against probably one of the greatest sides ever at their peak, yet still managed to win a few trophies.
Madrdi wont know what they've lost until its gone. The joke is they're being linked with the likes of Rafa and AVB. Are either of those going to get them closer to Barcelona? I doubt it.
Who?
You also have to remember, this isn't the same Barcelona we are looking at, they may return to said form, but currently they fall short of what they were.
I agree in regards to could anyone else have done better, as I doubt it, but that just made the initial acceptance of the position from Mourinho all the more strange for me as he knew he would have to fight NON-FOOTBALL battles, such as Ego's and Dramas etc...
I think you are seeing that is why he now wants out, or will be leaving IMO come end of the season...
If you read up, you can see he means Chelsea, that if they attain Mourinho plus a striker...
He's the highest paid coach by a distance, something like £12m per year, he was basically brought in on that salary to secure 'la decima'. If they don't turn this tie around next week and he walks away with 1 liga in 3 seasons, I don't see how that could be construed as anything other than a failure.
Forget Copa Del Rey, it's a nice litte bonus but it's not like the FA cup, it really isn't taken all that seriously in Spain.
Forget Copa Del Rey, it's a nice litte bonus but it's not like the FA cup, it really isn't taken all that seriously in Spain.
...and then there's the usual Real politics to consider. I don't think any other manager could've done much better (which isn't the same as saying that Jose has been a success there); it was even too much of an ask for a talented and savvy coach like Mourinho.
Oh, okay. I haven't been following this thread.
I think you are overstating how much of a difference he'll make tbh.
If they sign Cavani/Falcao/Lewandowski though then they'll challenge, regardless of Mourinho.
Bild are reporting Mourinho and Falcao have both agreed to go to Chelsea. I'm not 100% but I'm pretty sure Bild are supposed to be very reliable. Wasn't it them who broke the Guardiola/Gotze news?
Their midfield is still weak, mind. They have an aging Lampard, an inconsistent Ramires, and a not-so-good-enough Mikel. They also have Oscar, but I am not too sure as to how they will utilise him in deeper roles.
And then, there is a small question of their defense as well.
It doesn't really matter though whether or not other managers would or could have done. Mourinho should be judged on what his and Real's expectations of him were over his time there. Likely to have been wresting the title back from Barcelona and above all winning the 10th CL. They made Mourinho the highest paid coach in the world for this, gave him unrivalled power at Real and gave him the world's most expensive squad.
3 years later, it looks like of the 6 big trophies he could have won during his time (3 CLs/ 3 la ligas), he will have won one. They surrendered their league title very very meekly this season as well.
I don't think either Mourinho or Real will consider him a success.
Though at least they've finally been able to go past the last 16.
3 years later, it looks like of the 6 big trophies he could have won during his time (3 CLs/ 3 la ligas), he will have won one. They surrendered their league title very very meekly this season as well.
I don't think either Mourinho or Real will consider him a success.
Though at least they've finally been able to go past the last 16.
I think you're understating. The effect on the fans and the club as a whole of Mourinho coming back would be incredible. His players love him and would run through fire for him (excluding some Real Madrid players). Every team he goes to he improves the whole team.
Also we need more than just a striker. Ideally a cdm who isn't as limited as mikel. A proper first choice centre back would be nice too.
I imagine Bild have quite a few contacts at Bayern/ Dortmund but why would they have any idea about Mourinho, Chelsea or Falcao?
Bild are only reliable when it comes to Bayern afaik
He's a very good manager so unsurprisingly he'll have some positive effects when joining a new club. However, he isn't as good as his fans seem to think and any idea that he'll join Chelsea and personally make them challengers again is foolish. Provided the alternatives are suitable, good managers (not Benitez for example) then the signings will be infinitely more important than Mourinho.
Yeahh I never said that all you needed was a striker, not sure where you've got that from, like most teams you could obviously improve in a variety of positions. My point is that regardless of any other deficiencies a front four of Hazard, Mata and Oscar behind Falcao will allow Chelsea to challenge again. Hardly a controversial opinion, surely?
We will probably sign Aguero this summer I reckon.
He's been Ok at real. Don't think he's been a faliure. Not a great success either.
Who will be your new manager? And who do you want it to be?
L'Equipe says Ancelotti. Who knows. At least he's used to being a manager at a nut house.
Benitez will be available......
Jaysus. Remember interista? He stopped posting after Benitez went to Inter. Spare a thought for Vato
Makes sense in a way, they'll be running out of managers with Champions League pedigree soon enough though. Not sure PSG will be too happy to let him go.
Vato got the police barged through Weaste's door. For that, he's a hero in my eyes.
Losing 4-1 shows how wrong he got the tactics, formation, line up, and subs. He obviously is past it. white text
I think Mourinho was really banking on Real winning the C L at least once during his time, which would have cemented his legend of winning the biggest trophy with teams from four different leagues. He must have known winning La Liga while Barcelona have been so dominant would have been a big ask, but a run to a C L final should have been achievable. Really his time at Real has been decently successful but he will probably feel he's failed.
Mourinho will have more of an impact on Chelsea than any other manager could, simply because its Mourinho being back at Chelsea. A problem for us is that asides from Jose there isn't a great deal of top class managers available and would come to us given our reputation with managers.
I never stated you said we only need a striker I was just stating what I think we need to challenge. It would be an excellent front four but Id still worry about the midfield. We always seem to struggle to get into the game against big teams especially in the first half.