This is petty argument and a cheap shot at Glazers
Comeon, they're not that skint that they're trying to save 3-4M difference on picking "THE 2 NEXT BEST MANAGER" in the planet should they wish to come here
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This is petty argument and a cheap shot at Glazers
Comeon, they're not that skint that they're trying to save 3-4M difference on picking "THE 2 NEXT BEST MANAGER" in the planet should they wish to come here
At Barcelona it's a club policy. A new manager couldn't change the youth setup even if he wanted to. Mourinho can't change the policy at Madrid either unless the higher uppers want to. Clubs aren't run the same every country. The are loads of different ways a club is run. Before Mourinho came to Chelsea they had a plan as well. First plan was to win titles and to do that the spent money. Later they focused on the youth setup more. Same with City. They'll produce some youths in the forthcoming years.
You say it's about time Mourinho dedicates himself to the youth, not just who he picks from the setup. Well, Madrid's youth setup is pretty good. It could be better but they produce shitload of players. Just not for the Real Madrid first team. Despite some of them having been good enough.
I don't know much about how Inter is run or Porto so I can't comment on that.
What are you on about?
Maybe - but there's an argument to say that United could replicate youth success at another club by looking closely at how Barca do it top to bottom, and looking ot bring in people in key positions within the system to allow it to develop.
For me there are other issues at play in the UK which prevent us from producing the levels of football talent they do abroad, but that's a different argument.
Why do you assume that a manager spends a chunk of his time dealing with "youth"?
Fergie clearly came to United with the intention of helping to produce young players. That system is set up now, the club have spent a fortune on it and probably have the best youth coaches in the country working there. I bet he has little to no input day to day - as he's got a PL/CL side to run.
That is absolutely true - the number of hours coaches can work with kids etc. I know. Still, I dont think that is the only problem. Its all a bit of a cliche but I gather there is a lot of truth underlying it: British kids need to learn to play with the ball more, skill, close control and tactics. I think abroad they play kids on smaller pitches than we do here, so they get used to being under pressure on the ball.
I am sure United is ahead of the curve on this but, again, there is always more that can be done.
Cheap shot you say. It's a valid point. Some of us have seen how they've treated their NFL club in regards to payroll decisions. Granted MUFC are a globall entity and they better not penny pinch. However, it's not like they've refused to take payments from the club's profits for themselves while the club sits in leveraged debt they won't be responsible for. Yeah, cheap shot you say.
Ex-Barça duo say no to Mourinho at Man City
according to Marca quoting Daily Mirror
http://www.marca.com/2012/12/06/en/football/real_madrid/1354822741.html
according to Marca quoting Daily Mirror
http://www.marca.com/2012/12/06/en/football/real_madrid/1354822741.html
Yeah, cheap shot you say.
30m for de gea, 18m for jones
Seriously, if theyre that skint to save a few million extra per year to have moyes instead of mourinho, they wont be where they are today, heck theyd probably sack saf now to save a few million and hire phelan
Well actually £18.9m and £16.5m respectively, but it's a fair point anyway - there has been money spent the last two seasons unquestionably.
It will be interesting to see if the Glazers go the "Mourinho route" i.e. expensive manager who will very likely demand a big transfer budget and player wages in return for keeping us right at the top, or take the "Moyes route" of a cheaper manager that can keep us high enough to keep the money rolling in on a limited budget.
A few seasons ago I would've said the former was more likely, but now I'd think the more expensive route could be their strategy. We won't know for sure until it happens though, since they don't speak publicly themselves, but the likes of Gill sometimes do.
30m De Gea?
Not helping your argument by just making shit up.
I think its fair to say any manager will want money to spend - they all want to put their "stamp" on a side.
As regards someone like Moyes - he has spent money at Everton considering the size of club they are. He'd be buying "better" players at a club like United and those players would cost more money.
I think he's a good manager but the expectations at Everton are low - nobody expects him to win anything, they're happy to finish top ten, he's under little pressure. He's done well to be fair - but that's totally different from being expected to win trophies year on year.
Fact is United need to continue to be competative and succesful to service the debt and to keep the money rolling in - if they lose ground to City or Chelsea then that damages the brand. The Glazers no doubt know this and will in my opinion get in a top drawer manager when Fergie leaves.
I actually suspect it could be soon - hence why there was no midfield overhaul in the summer. If Fergie is looking to retire next summer,why spend money on established players the next manager may not want?
Imagine, the day that Mourinho comes here, his agent Mendes will obviously try and help him secure the services of other Portuguese players i.e. Ronaldo, Coentrao or even Pepe. Coentrao is young enough to replace Evra, Pepe could replace an ageing Rio. Who knows what could happen in the next couple of years.
Oh God please no!
Why not? Mendes would do anything, as he did it with Carvalho and Deco for Chelsea. Anyway, stranger things have happened in football.
Pepe is a cnut but he's actually a pretty decent defender and Coentrao is better than any left back we have.
Pepe is a decent defender when he is away from the Real Madrid side and he really is less of a idiot. I think Sir Alex knows this and might have already had a word with Mourinho about this. Remember, there is still some sort of bad ambiance within the Real Madrid camp, and it could possibly benefit us. I might not like Mourinho but, if we can get Pepe to replace Rio, get Coentrao to replace Paddy Evra, and perhaps Ronaldo, it might mean a bright future for us.
OK with me. that would mean:
Mourinho, Ronnie coming home, falcao coming, di maria in (young out), Nani staying
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/gestifute/details/berater_413.html
gestifute has some superb talent like falcao and di maria.
My point still stand
if we're worried about 3-4 M extra for signing Mourinho, we'd probably don't deserve anything , we'd probbaly better be selling everyone in our squad, sell the stadium name, and feck off to championship
if we're worried about 3-4 M extra for signing Mourinho, we'd probably don't deserve anything , we'd probbaly better be selling everyone in our squad, sell the stadium name, and feck off to championship
Oh, but I thought United was different, it was all about bringing youth. No, let's buy Coentrão, Pepe, Cristiano Ronaldo and Di María.
Not trying to be offensive, but there isn't that much a difference between the average United fan and Chelsea/City fan. The only difference is where the money comes from, because the idea of buying success is getting as much ingrained in this club as it is elsewhere, and I'm confident it will scale when SAF retires.
Not trying to be offensive, but there isn't that much a difference between the average United fan and Chelsea/City fan. The only difference is where the money comes from, because the idea of buying success is getting as much ingrained in this club as it is elsewhere, and I'm confident it will scale when SAF retires.
The difference is we have earned our money by constantly winning and being one of the greatest clubs in world football, not by being 48 hours away from bankruptcy and non existence before being saved by a russian crook, or by being the second best club in a city for 50 years therefore making us a cheap toy for a billionaire.
So we would have jose as manager, Pepe the hatchet man, and Rooney in the same squad.........have you somehow gotten hold of my people I really fecking hate list and are trying to wind me up?
Yes, I'm aware of the difference.
That said, my club isn't a rich daddy sponsored one, so I'm speaking as a neutral, and to me your current policies have more in common than apart. I still have more admiration for your achievements, obviously, particularly as United's course in history shares a lot of similarities with Porto, save the obvious differences in magnitude.
You're still a billionaire's property mind, the difference is that yours use your trophies to get money whilst the others use their money to get trophies.
To be fair, Porto is a club I have a lot of time for, ever since the days of Jardel......I loved that fat litlle fecker
He was tall and slim, but yeah I loved him too. Still the best striker we ever had, I rate him above Falcao.
Not by the time he got to Bolton!!
Yep, I dreamed about him coming here and partnering King Eric
Yeah, a shame he was in an insanely fast downward spiral by then. His 7 seasons before that (4 at Porto, 1 at Galatasaray and 2 at Sporting) he ended up with roughly the same number of appearances and goals. Insane productivity. That's over 250 games of almost continuous scoring.
Coke got the best of him, I think he's in poverty now, judging by his final career dealings.
Coke got the best of him, I think he's in poverty now, judging by his final career dealings.
So, we want a manager who buys cheap, promote youth, classy, tactically astute, last 25+ years, british preferably local product, comes cheap.
Yeah. I guess that should do. Let's feckign clone SAF
Yeah. I guess that should do. Let's feckign clone SAF
I didn't even know you was going to answer. So, it isn't a wum.
Unproven, look up the definition of the word
I see where you're going with this. You want Moyes.
Bobby Charlton appears very much against Mourinho taking over at United.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/07/bobby-charlton-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/07/bobby-charlton-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
Good, we're reading from the same page.
Not so special.
Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho believes his team now have little chance of retaining the Spanish title following the 2-2 home draw with struggling Espanyol.
A late goal from substitute Juan Albin gave Espanyol a share of the points and Barcelona are now 13 points clear of them in La Liga after beating second-placed Atletico Madrid 4-1 thanks to yet another double from Lionel Messi.
"The league is now impossible," said Mourinho. "It is the first time that I have been in a situation like this where my team are a long way off their objectives.
"But I don't want to make a drama out of it, I will treat it as another stage of my life.
"It is practically impossible. There are too many points to make up at this stage. Last season, we had a 10-point lead in February and La Liga was ours.
"Cristiano (Ronaldo) played well but his team-mates didn't. The attitude has been good and what we need is a bit of calm and luck. For the effort of the players we deserved to win but we wasted clear cut chances."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8338136/
Real Madrid coach Jose Mourinho believes his team now have little chance of retaining the Spanish title following the 2-2 home draw with struggling Espanyol.
A late goal from substitute Juan Albin gave Espanyol a share of the points and Barcelona are now 13 points clear of them in La Liga after beating second-placed Atletico Madrid 4-1 thanks to yet another double from Lionel Messi.
"The league is now impossible," said Mourinho. "It is the first time that I have been in a situation like this where my team are a long way off their objectives.
"But I don't want to make a drama out of it, I will treat it as another stage of my life.
"It is practically impossible. There are too many points to make up at this stage. Last season, we had a 10-point lead in February and La Liga was ours.
"Cristiano (Ronaldo) played well but his team-mates didn't. The attitude has been good and what we need is a bit of calm and luck. For the effort of the players we deserved to win but we wasted clear cut chances."
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8338136/
Where does he get off praising Ronaldo, when Coentrao was easily a better player, and then criticising the others? Is he immune to criticism all of a sudden?
Probably the first season in his career that can be truly considered a disappointment. He still may change the feeling a bit if he manages to win the CL, but it won't be easy at all.
I can see him just putting all his focus now on the CL. Of course, a mission he has to do now is to guide Madrid to finish above their rivals Athletico. Barca are just too far away now. You can't expect them to lose 4 (?) times, and Madrid not dropping a single point.
I'd love to face them in the CL now. I've watched them a few times this season, and they have been far from impressive. Against a Van Persie-Rooney strikeforce, they're defence won't know what to do.
I'd love to face them in the CL now. I've watched them a few times this season, and they have been far from impressive. Against a Van Persie-Rooney strikeforce, they're defence won't know what to do.
Does our defence knows though? Specially with ozil in the midfield cutting forward