He hasn't.
He's finished in the Top 4 once but lost the qualifying game thus never actually qualified.
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He hasn't.
He's finished in the Top 4 once but lost the qualifying game thus never actually qualified.
he didn't though? He finished 4th and then got knocked out in the qualifier. Then got knocked out of the europa league qualifier. Then finished in the bottom half of the table the next season.
I have huge respect for Moyes as a man and as a manager but I have seen absolutely nothing to suggest he would do anything other than fail miserably at Man utd.
They were eliminated in the qualifiers.
I like the way I said it best.
I know. Completely clueless. He's also 'never achieved anything' apparently despite being the Manager of the Year three times, in 2003, 2005 and 2009.
You can obviously only have achieved anything if you win the title, regardless of the size of the club, the quality of their players or the managers budget.
He's also 'never achieved anything' apparently despite being the Manager of the Year three times, in 2003, 2005 and 2009.
You can obviously only have achieved anything if you win the title, regardless of the size of the club, the quality of their players or the managers budget.
It would be asking too much of Moyes to win the CL with Everton. That would be as daft as asking a manager to win it with Porto.
He's also 'never achieved anything' apparently despite being the Manager of the Year three times, in 2003, 2005 and 2009.
You can obviously only have achieved anything if you win the title, regardless of the size of the club, the quality of their players or the managers budget.
Alex McLeish won the Carling Cup last season.
He's right.
Not sure if that's serious. You think Everton are as big a club as Porto?
Not even mentioning the fact that Porto are in a way less competitive league, thus they are pretty much are always guaranteed a place in the tournament, so are always in with a chance of winning it.
He was suggested for the job last year too.
Porto arent really big by European standards.
Also dont forget to credit Moyes for leading Everton to 17th back in 2004. He's a decent enough manager, but it's the pinnacle of folly to mention him in the same conversation as Mourinho.
This, and it's stupid.
No, but they're bigger than Everton which is the comparison which is being made.
Your mentioning that 17th as if it means something on it's own, they had a bad season, it happens. Even Ferguson has had bad seasons with United, so pointing that out as if it proves he's a bad manager is ridiculous.
But anyway, lets look at Evertons league positions then.
Pre Moyes -
97 - 15th
98 - 17th
99 - 14th
00 - 13th
01 - 16th
02 - 15th - Moyes came in March with Everton one point off relegation zone, led them to safety.
Moyes
03 - 7th
04 - 17th
05 - 4th
06 - 11th
07 - 6th
08 - 5th
09 - 5th
10 - 8th
11 - 7th
See a trend? He seems to have done rather well, whilst spending hardly anything in comparison to others.
He has indeed done rather well. Is that what it takes to replace Fergie though?
Yes, Moyes has been good for Everton. However, that says nothing about why he should manage United when there are more than a few better options.
I was being a bit sarcastic, I think he's done exceptionally well. As do many others, including his fellow managers which is why he's been made manager of the year a record three times, joint with Fergie.
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He's also 'never achieved anything' apparently despite being the Manager of the Year three times, in 2003, 2005 and 2009.
You can obviously only have achieved anything if you win the title, regardless of the size of the club, the quality of their players or the managers budget.
I said anything significant, I don't consider an award won by such luminaries as Joe Kinnear, Peter Reid, Steve Coppell (x2) and Roy Hodgson to be particularly significant. The fact he's won it in years when Mourinho won the League + League Cup with a record points total and Benitez won the European Cup, along with a year in which Ferguson secured his third title in a row, a World Title, a League Cup, and reached a second consecutive CL Final shows what a joke the award is. I'd pay a lot more attention to the Premier League's award, which Moyes has never won.
If he is such a good manager why hasn't he moved on?
I don't think an award voted for by your peers can be sniffed at.
A joke of an award, ffs. And you'd be the only one who takes the Barclays award more seriously than an award which is voted for by the actual managers. The Barclays award is completely monopolised by the manager who wins the league, it never gives it to the manager who has done best for their respective club. If any award is a joke its that one.
As to why he hasnt moved on, I suppose there is only a few clubs he would go to. He's the 12th highest paid manager in the world, so unless one of the big jobs comes up he doesnt have much of a reason to leave.
Well, him being a huge success at Everton obviously does say something about why he should manage United, what else are you going to base hiring a manager on?
There might be a few better options in your opinion, it's not mine, but Moyes is definitely up there, he will without a doubt be considered for the job.
Moyes is a good manager and probably the one we should go for if we want a new manager that will stay for the long run.
Mourinho would probably only stay for a 2-3 years until he had won the league and the CL and then move on.
Mourinho would probably only stay for a 2-3 years until he had won the league and the CL and then move on.
I'd like a manager who has actually won things before. It shows that he knows how to handle winning the league and CL.
One of the thing people seem to dislike about Mourinho is the style of his teams play. Is that not a concern with Moyes?
It's irrelevant, Ole is the future. 
Apologies if I don't put much faith in an award for managerial excellence which Moyes has won as many times as Ferguson, and Steve Coppell has won more times Mourinho. Harry Redknapp and George Burley have won the Premier League award, it's not solely given to the League winner.
The Chelsea job constantly comes up, I have never heard him anything about him going for that job, the Liverpool job was available in 2010, there's no indication he went for that, Inter Milan are constantly hiring and firing managers, never joined them, the Manchester City position was open when they sacked Hughes, he didn't get that, it's not as though the top clubs have managers locked into unassailable positions there. Either he's not interested in these jobs, in which case you have to question his ambition or his self-confidence, or these clubs see him and think he's not good enough, which begs the question of why he's good enough for us.
How on earth can a club like Everton justify that.
Being successful with a club like Everton is qualitatively different from being successful at a club like United. At Everton its enough to stay midtable on a tight budget, with the occasional shot at a European Cup spot. At United you need to consistently win titles year in year out, or at the very least challenge for them. Moyes has done nothing to suggest he would succeed at a top club like United. If he had won some cups he might have had a case, but the fact that hes never even won the league cup shows that he most probably doesnt have the ability to instill a winning mentality in his players.
I dont want him anywhere near United untill hes shown that he can cut it at a higher level. He should take the Spurs job when Harry leaves - then we'll see if he has what it takes.
Mourinho is easily the standout candidate for the United job when Fergie eventually steps down.
He's too much of a me character.
The overstating of a coaches importance is one of the things that's starting to put me off football.
The overstating of a coaches importance is one of the things that's starting to put me off football.
Ecause if they didn't have him there then the entire club would be up shit creek.
Don't like how Mourinho plays? He just beat Barcelona with good football. He can be defensive but he can also play fluid attacking football. That's the thing about him. Real has great players so he can pretty much play how he wants with him. The outcome will be around 120 goals scored in the league and perhaps a league+CL double.
It's his persona that I'm concerned of. I'm sure he'll calm with age though.
It was an exaggerated comment to make the point that a manager's importance gets incredibly overplayed at times. There's no issue with the money Madrid have spent, it would be bloody hypocritical from a United fan even if where the money comes from always rankles.
I think coaches are facilitators, not match-winners. Mourinho is one of the greatest managers of all-time, a master tactician. He deserves praise but due to the cult of personality he creates for himself it gets blown out of all proportion. It becomes Mourinho vs. his adversary, often Mourinho vs. the world. He didn't win anything last night, a fantastic Madrid team bettered Barca as they have over the course of a season. These are two of the greatest teams ever assembled - Madrid still have many more tests to overcome if this team is to create a legacy but it is a squad packed with ridiculous amounts of talent. It should not be a major surprise that they bested Barca this season. That's not meant to take away from the club's great achievement, just this rhetoric that it's another individual underdog victory for Mourinho.
There's a legitimate argument for not wanting him at United, I certainly don't, but that's one for another time that has already been done many times before.
And there's a lot of disrespect/disregard for Porto's standing in Europe in this thread. They may not be first or second tier but they have been an elite European club the past couple of decades.
I can't believe anyone was doubting. People suggesting ex reds, I don't agree with that. Could end up with a situation like Dalglish at Liverpool. I wouldn't want anyone other than Mourinho.I don't want him here. He is great tactician, but I don't think he is a good manager.
Definitely my number 1 choice when SAF retires, if it's not him then it will be an ex united player, someone like Solskjaer. I think SAF will try to make us go for Jose as well, you can tell they both respect each other a lot and the way Jose talks about us makes it seem like he always wants to go to us. On people saying they don't want him because he's a cnut... I'm sure most fans around the world (apart from United ones of course) think SAF is a cnut. They respect his achievements, but so many of them hate him and how he acts. It's just because he is successful and isn't afraid to say controversial things, like Mourinho. SAF even said Jose reminds him of a younger version of himself.