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Manager= Involved in transfers, working with youth...
Manager= Involved in transfers, working with youth...
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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There's a difference between mind games during run ins and generally personal and shit remarks about other managers. thats where Sir Alex is different to Mourinho.
As i said, his nature and character is something i dont want associated with the club. We are respected all over and i dont want a manager with a circus around him to spoil that.
Other than that, there's absolutely no doubt who the best candidate for the job is. On a footballing pitch, his credentials are better than anyone else out there.
It was both during title run ins when Sir Alex got under their skin on purpose. Benitez lost it and came out pleasing the scouse crowd. Dont give a feck about Crawley's manager, grabbing the limelight perhaps?
As i said, its different to being disrespectful towards your peers in general like mourinho is.
And as always, very surprised to see Moyes named alongside him. He's done a good job at Everton but thats not enough to get the United job imo. Its the biggest job in the country and will be the biggest shoes to fill in world football when Sir Alex leaves, i'd want a proven manager who has proved himself to be upto the task because along with ability, it'd take the right attitude and confidence to be upto the task and handle the enormous scrutiny that will come with replacing the great man
. With the kind of young squad we have, i dont want to risk someone not able to handle expectations at such a big club and fecking things over for us. A couple of poor seasons and the squad might be hit, cant risk that on giving someone a chance at the big league. Moyes can have his chance at big time with Spurs when 'Arry fecks off.
. With the kind of young squad we have, i dont want to risk someone not able to handle expectations at such a big club and fecking things over for us. A couple of poor seasons and the squad might be hit, cant risk that on giving someone a chance at the big league. Moyes can have his chance at big time with Spurs when 'Arry fecks off.
They're more important than players.
If moyes given a 5 years contract, failed to deliver. We'd be ended up like the scouse... decades of mediocrity followed (cough..souness)
So what if Mou only stays for 3-5 years, that's enough, not everyone's a SAF. Those that stays longer than 5 are probably managers in their comfort zone (moyes), and don't have the guts and desire to take the next leap.
I'd rather him being a cnut, at least he's our cnut, rather than having to compete against him.
So what if Mou only stays for 3-5 years, that's enough, not everyone's a SAF. Those that stays longer than 5 are probably managers in their comfort zone (moyes), and don't have the guts and desire to take the next leap.
I'd rather him being a cnut, at least he's our cnut, rather than having to compete against him.
Who cares, he's protecting his player from unnecessary spotlight. Regardless of what's his actual intention of doing that, it works. His players are focused and giving it all for him.
Let's look back pre Mourinho era at madrid, the player unrest, conflicts, no unity, etc. I have yet to hear any bad news since he came.
Would you rather Steve McLaren type, Woy? Or perhaps Kenny? They're a media darling.
The most legitimate argument that I've heard yet has to do with the liklihood that he won't stay very long. I think that's a fair criticism given that we've got a manager who has stayed a quarter of a century. That said, I don't think its likely that our next manager will stay more than 5-6 years, irrespective of who it is. Its certainly possible that he could, but the age of career managers of the Fergie/Wenger mold is quickly coming to an end in the age of instant gratification ownership.
I hate him but I want him here. He's someone you'd rather have as your friend than as your enemy. He's obviously a wonderful manager, and a lot more importantly he has an ego the size of the sun, which is something that for me is a must when replacing someone like Sir Alex. Saying that, if he comes here I'd like Gill and co. to make it clear to him that we want someone for the long term, not a year or two.
For me there are only two possibilities - Mourinho or Guardiola. I'd be happy with either of them.
For me there are only two possibilities - Mourinho or Guardiola. I'd be happy with either of them.
You really are something else.
First of all, feck off Vato, and quoting me after my every post about Real Madrid or their player/managers, etc.. I said 100 times I don't like Mourinho, but I said why I don't like him too.
I am not sure about his transfer policy, since he left mess in both Chelsea and Inter. He was just buying finished players at top of their forms, caring only about the present while he was there. After he left, both teams stucked with old, unmotivated players.
Second, he sucks at working with youth. If Real Madrid fans don't care about youth, that's your problem, but we(United fans) care about our young players and bringing them into first team. Fergie is doing that from year to year, and I don't remember Mourinho ever doing it.
Third, behind his succes there are hundreds of milion spends for tranfers, and I don't think he could get same amount of money here. Even if Glazers give him the money, it's not the way United work, that's why we don't like chelsea and city in first place.
If you are planning to answer me, please try to answer with meaningful post.
How on earth do you know that?
Fergie is respected - by players and managers alike - because he's succesful. Mourinho is exactly the same - he's achieved in a short space of time what most managers will never achieve.
The fact that big clubs repeatedly empoly him and succeed with him at the helm tells you all you need to know about " respect".
What managers say to the press and what they think are two very different things. It's all a big show for the media. They all have a job to do, and if trying to rub an opposing manager up the wrong way helps you do it then they will do so - very, very few of them will take it personally or seriously.
Fergie has been well over the line time and again - you just choose to ignore it or dress it up as "mind games" because you're a United fan and you understandably love the bloke.
What has all this blabber to do with being a good manager? And don't act like you're not a closet Barca fan now, you're just bitter Barca lost the league and are taking every opportunity to have a dig at anything or anyone from Madrid. Did you also think nobody would notice the 3 points you are trying to make are about the exact same subject, his transfers and player selection? Nice way to prolong your post and try to look smarter than you are.
Fact is, he has won silverware at every club he has had under him, even where he didn't spend the amounts of money that other clubs spend and not getting anywhere near the success he's had. So please, spare me the bullshit that he's not a great manager. You might not like him and each to their own but how can you say he's not a good manager? It's beyond ridiculous. I'm not saying he's perfect, because I would like him to cut out on some of the things he and some of the players do sometimes, but a bad manager? Please..
Yeah, clearly not a very good manager
A manager is much more than that. Those are just 2 aspects you highlight in a ridiculous way to try and make him look like a bad manager when he's clearly not. Name me another manager who has won titles in 4 of the bigger leagues in Europe in one decade, please do, seeing as there are so many better managers out there.
3 of the bigger leagues and Portugal.
Only Germany and maybe France are bigger leagues in Europe than the Portuguese league imo. At the moment at least.
Some of your reasons are rather frivolous.
1. "He left Chelsea and Inter in a mess" - WTF is that supposed to mean ? Of course they're going to be a bit shit after he leaves, because it was him that made them good while he was there. Bizarre logic to say the least.
2. "Behind his success are hundreds of millions" - I suppose that would explain his UEFA Cup and CL trophies at Porto as well ? What sort of "net" fortune was spent at Inter to win them the treble ?
3. Also the bit about youth is a bit misleading given that he would have to stay at a club for a significant number of years in order to develop a youth policy. Not an easy task with the Russian owned Chelseas of the world.
maybe it shows how great he is, those 2 were a bigger pile of mess before he came.
Chelsea were not in a mess at all.
They could have easily won the league European Cup double instead of us in 2007/8.
The first proper manager they had after Jose, won them the league with his squad set up.
They could have easily won the league European Cup double instead of us in 2007/8.
The first proper manager they had after Jose, won them the league with his squad set up.
I couldn't care less about Barca, I just hate Madrid. I wasn't even sad when they lost against chelsea, but I was happy when Bayern beat you.
Fact is, he has won silverware at every club he has had under him, even where he didn't spend the amounts of money that other clubs spend and not getting anywhere near the success he's had. So please, spare me the bullshit that he's not a great manager. You might not like him and each to their own but how can you say he's not a good manager? It's beyond ridiculous. I'm not saying he's perfect, because I would like him to cut out on some of the things he and some of the players do sometimes, but a bad manager? Please..
Yeah, clearly not a very good manager
I said why I don't like him, and all those facts are true, I don't know why are you ingoring them.
Manchester City was bigger pile of mess before Mancini came, but spending hundreds of millions doesn't mean Mancini did great job.
1. Tell me Chelsea's and Inter's squad age average after Mourinho left.
2. His succes with porto is ok, he had great generation of players, but he can take credits for that. Just one thing, you may not forget how did he got through the 1/8 finals.
And after that, 3 out of 4 games in semis and quarter finals the teams he played against got red cards. I don't know if those were deserved or not, since I don't remember the games, but to play 3 out of 4 games against 10 players and win it it's not big task.As for Inter, are you serious. In two seasons before Morinho came there, they spent around 100 milions, and already had excellent squad. After he came, in his first season they spent 60 milions, in his second they spent around 90 milions. That's not big money?
3. That's his problem.
On the whole I am with you Amar. I have to say I think he is a magnificent manager, I dont think even spending a lot of money it is easy to do what he did with Chelsea and Madrid especially. But the criticisms you make are fair ones. I think it would be interesting to see where he goes next for those very reasons. I dont think he will risk his legacy by taking on a challenge he isnt very confident about. If he goes to City it will be because he is confident he can do it all over again with a massive cheque book. If he came to us he would be well aware that he wouldnt have the same limitless resources. It would be a different sort of challenge. If he really wants to prove his greatness he should take the Liverpool job because turning that lot around would be the feat of his career.
I couldn't care less about Barca, I just hate Madrid. I wasn't even sad when they lost against chelsea, but I was happy when Bayern beat you.
I said why I don't like him, and all those facts are true, I don't know why are you ingoring them.
Manchester City was bigger pile of mess before Mancini came, but spending hundreds of millions doesn't mean Mancini did great job.
1. Tell me Chelsea's and Inter's squad age average after Mourinho left.
2. His succes with porto is ok, he had great generation of players, but he can take credits for that. Just one thing, you may not forget how did he got through the 1/8 finals.
As for Inter, are you serious. In two seasons before Morinho came there, they spent around 100 milions, and already had excellent squad. After he came, in his first season they spent 60 milions, in his second they spent around 90 milions. That's not big money?
3. That's his problem.
Chelsea and Inter's squad age after he left aren't Mourinho's concern. They're the owner and front office's concern. When managers leave, it's the executive management who are responsible for maintaining an adequate squad balance for the next manager to work with.
Also, his success with Porto was obviously not a fluke given that he won the UEFA cup the previous year.
inded he isYou don't win what he has especially at the likes of Porto without being a 1st class tactician.
The only man at present IMO who can replace SAF
Moyes would be a risk but then again so was SAF
History tells us the rest, he may have gone but for Mark Robins that's how fickle football management is.
I just feel some people don't like the man Mourinho and are letting that cloud their judgement about his managerial skills. It's always harder to see the quality of someone you don't like.
Mourinho is largely unproven in terms of long-term management. I've not seen much to suggest he likes to get involved in the youth setup and promote from within, something which would invariably be required to manage us.
He's a good tactician yes, but there are other important things we need as well.
He's a good tactician yes, but there are other important things we need as well.
I'm not so sure - he's repeatedly stated that he wants to come back to the PL sooner rather than later, and is known to have a lot of respect for United. Following Fergie is a huge task, and a massive challenge - which I'm sure he'd love.
After United - where would he go? - He's managed in Italy and Spain already so its arguable leaving United would be a step down.
He will want a crack at International management but has previously said not in the short term but when he's older. I'd say there's every chance he comes to United and is in it for the long hall.
Spot on - that "mess" of a Chelsea side were the basis of Ancellotti's succesful side and even managed to make Avram Grant look half decent.
As for Inter they were an average team taken to new heights (especially in Europe) by Mourinho's tactical nouse - as is evident by their spectacular fall from grace when he left.
Cheif among his achievements (if indeed they do) is winning the league with Real Madrid - despite being up against "the greatest team in the history of football". The other night they actually controlled Barca for the first time in any recent Clasico - conceded the greater possession but stopped them getting any decent chances. Top tactics.
It was an impressive performance by them.
Well given that Mourinho would be 51 or 52 if Fergie were to retire in the next two or three years, it's unlikely he would stay more than 5-6 years. Can't see him managing well into his 60s like Fergie and Robson did.
So 10 years then at least? I'd take that,and he might go on past that - looks fairly fit and healthy and seems to enjoy his job.
SAF has another decade in him. At least. So we dont need to worry about any of this. His successor probably hasnt even got his coaching badges yet.
That's very optimistic. 2 or 3 seasons tops I think.
It's impossible to say when people are in their 70s. From personal experience I know that someone of that age can seem perfectly fit and healthy, looking to carry on for a long time, but be struck down with illness suddenly.
Let's just appreciate him while he's still in charge.
No. LA LA LA LA LA LA. Not listening.
SAF will live forever.
SAF will live forever.
So are you saying anyone managing Chelsea and Inter could have easilly match his achievement there?
So far only Ancelloti manages some success, and that's still pale in comparison to the chelsea squad he assemble.
The problem is, cnut aside. If he's not up to the job, i don't think anyone else does.
What has moyes / blanc won lately? I'd take 5 year of Jose winning rather than 10 year of Moyes winning nothing.
NOt being a glory hunter, but being manchester United our aim is to win. We need a strong lead man post SAF, I shudder to think the likes of Moyes and Blanc shredded to pieces by the media knowing the old godfather is not there anymore.
Yes. The most important thing will be to win that first trophy after Fergie goes, just to show that we still can.
I don't get why some people are criticising him saying he doesn't give youth a chance and only buys players at their prime or coming off their prime.
His signings at Madrid:
Di Maria 22 years old
Pedro Leon 23
Khedira 23
Carvalho 32
Ozil 21
Sahin 22
Altintop 28
Callejon 24
Varane 18
Coentrao 23
Speaks for itself.
His signings at Madrid:
Di Maria 22 years old
Pedro Leon 23
Khedira 23
Carvalho 32
Ozil 21
Sahin 22
Altintop 28
Callejon 24
Varane 18
Coentrao 23
Speaks for itself.
people claim Pep>Jose.
Technically speaking I don't think Jose is less the tactician compared to pep. Messi is a better player perhaps.
Man management wise Jose's up there with the best, he managed the circus at Madrid after all.
And if Pep, a long life barca fans / player / manager can leave barca to join us after <5 season, what are the odds he will stay with us for >5?
We can't really expect 20+ years managers, SAF didn't expect that when he first signs, his success allow him to continue for as long as he wants, without it, I doubt he could last 10
Technically speaking I don't think Jose is less the tactician compared to pep. Messi is a better player perhaps.
Man management wise Jose's up there with the best, he managed the circus at Madrid after all.
And if Pep, a long life barca fans / player / manager can leave barca to join us after <5 season, what are the odds he will stay with us for >5?
We can't really expect 20+ years managers, SAF didn't expect that when he first signs, his success allow him to continue for as long as he wants, without it, I doubt he could last 10
Very few people, if any, claim Pep's a better manager than Jose.
He is far, far less of cnut than Jose though and probably won't get the credit he deserves until he leaves Barca and people realise how good a job he did.
He is far, far less of cnut than Jose though and probably won't get the credit he deserves until he leaves Barca and people realise how good a job he did.