You've completely ignored my question. When has anyone previously suggested that Luke Shaw doesn't know how to play football?
Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"
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I had gained a bit more respect from you in the Dier thread but you lost that last night by reverting to coming online to WUM in the post match thread.
Can't be arsed with you now wanting to talk football again. You need to make your mind up what you're here for.
I said it's not the first time issues with Shaw have been made public. I made no specific reference to every individual quote but the fact remains it's not just Mourinho who has had to go public with Shaw.
I think the comments and the time of them make Mourinho look like a dick here.
It's after a match where the result had very little to do with Shaw, there's no need to put the negativity of the result back on a single player, especially one that was subbed on late in the match. I'd say the same if he singled out Fellaini.
It's after a match where the result had very little to do with Shaw, there's no need to put the negativity of the result back on a single player, especially one that was subbed on late in the match. I'd say the same if he singled out Fellaini.
Ok fair comment - I did put an outrageous WUM comment into the match thread last night but to be fair it did get one of the finest and hilarious reaction posts I've seen in a long time and all credit to @SwansonsTache for his marvellous 'I hope you get banned you insufferable prick.' I apologise though for doing it as it was a bit of poor form from me and I'll not do it again. I'd much rather be known for talking about football than being a WUMIt was the most relevant to provide, plenty of young particularly English players have come in for criticism time to time. LvG berated him for losing a ball after scoring a winning goal, went on to say he needed to learn his tactics and then said he needs to prove himself, pretty much the same.
When i say bog standard i mean in the circumstances of a young player with mentality issues. Its odd as hardly anyone took offence at Januzaj having his mentality questioned, in fact people were gunning for him rather than defending his talent etc.
Some people expect the worst of Jose so it's being made out to be more than it is, far too many preconceived notions.
Some people actually suggesting they'd sue someone over something they said?
The world has gone fecking mental. There is no justification for such petty, miserable behaviour.
I thought Shaw looked good last night. Such a fecking treat to see an opposition team have to bring a defender out of their own box to defend.
The world has gone fecking mental. There is no justification for such petty, miserable behaviour.
I thought Shaw looked good last night. Such a fecking treat to see an opposition team have to bring a defender out of their own box to defend.
It's clear that something is up with Shaw. Should Mourinho constantly publicise his criticism? Probably not. But, there is clearly something to it as it isn't just Mourinho who has or has had these views of Luke Shaw.
No, they are not.
It's a temperament and style thing. Jose is hot blooded. It's who he is. Carlos Ancellotti or Raneiri are complete opposites.
I hope United fans are fully aware of who the club signed. Jose is trying to change but it's hard to change who you are.
I think he's the kind of person whose faults are glaring. What you see is what you get. An open book. Zlatan said as much in his autobiography. For a Jose, he says what he feels - even if it's silly, vindictive or critical. For a Pep, it's better to bottle it. People like Jose often appear like the worst of us but they are not necessarily so.
I would never say those things about Shaw in the public so I'll tend to be viewed as more 'mature' than the guy who goes out there to say them but I could do worse than he has done in privacy.
It's complicated. But if Jose chooses to take that option with his players, he had better get it right or be ready for backlashes if it all goes wrong.
Anyway, I guess this is what makes Jose Mourinho the character he is in world football. Hated and loved at once. As it is with fans, so it is with his professional colleagues and players. Very few are on the fence when it comes to this guy.
Find it funny he seems to be picking on Shaw, considering how pish the rest of the team has been, there is certainly alot more of the team i would be wanting to critise then Shaw, a yound lad who had a horror injury last season.
The stakes are higher for the club than Jose himself. He can very well move out and get hired by some other team. If Shaw turns out to be very good player with another team (a la Pogba), we'd be wasting effort and money trying to replace what we had in the first place.
Yes, the stakes are much higher than Jose but unfortunately, it comes down to the manager's calls in most instances.
Funny how Shaw was so far behind everyone else but then is in the very next team getting a sub appearance.
Mourinho is extremely tedious with his constant bullshit about his players. No wonder the Chelsea players got sick of him.
Shaw was decent when he came on. He won the penalty. A poor Luke Shaw is still miles better than Darmian. I can't understand the constant criticism.
Mourinho should look at himself. He is doing a piss poor job.
Mourinho should look at himself. He is doing a piss poor job.
Yeah, he turned down Jose a few years ago. Somehow I don't think Mou has forgotten that.
His latest comments irk me even more. I honestly don't think he'd be saying any if these things if we'd won the last 2 games. If it's an attempt to shift attention away from his in dificiencies then it seems to be working.
His comments about controlling Shaw due to being close to him on the side of the pitch are so strange, he's making out that he can't be trusted to play his own game..yet this is a lad who stood out playing Premiership football regularly at 17. He impressed so much that José, and ourselves were willing to spend huge money on him. Mourinho is starting to remind me of Monty Burns coaching baseball
"I told him to do that"
His comments about controlling Shaw due to being close to him on the side of the pitch are so strange, he's making out that he can't be trusted to play his own game..yet this is a lad who stood out playing Premiership football regularly at 17. He impressed so much that José, and ourselves were willing to spend huge money on him. Mourinho is starting to remind me of Monty Burns coaching baseball
"I told him to do that"
Of all the bollocks seen last night, Shaw was one of rhe better performers on the pitch. He badly overhit a few crosses, but I can't think of anyone else making a cross that wasn't badly underhit.
Think Jose needs to stop wasting time punishing youngsters who aren't perfect yet and spending more time explaining ti everyone in the squad how to play a simple forward pass and kick the ball between them there white sticks.
For me, while young and blind aren't bad at LB, neither offer as much going forward or defending as Shaw does based on lastnight anyway.
Think Jose needs to stop wasting time punishing youngsters who aren't perfect yet and spending more time explaining ti everyone in the squad how to play a simple forward pass and kick the ball between them there white sticks.
For me, while young and blind aren't bad at LB, neither offer as much going forward or defending as Shaw does based on lastnight anyway.
Really poor man management and while I've been completely confident of Mou, that now is not the case. It seems like he doesn't know how to handle players other than the "tough love" approach. I can see this becoming quite problematic because as much it would be great for for our whole team to be full of "men" who can just take it and get with the program, reality is players are humans and not all will respond to this form of motivation. It's been the same approach he has taken with Martial and Mkhi and while there might have been some sparks with them, I think even them a different tact would work to get them really performing.
Mourinho says that Shaw needs to develop a football brain and by 21 he should have one. Well lets see, the year before he was out most of the season, this year he has hardly got a kick in matches and some how he is supposed to magically have developed? Training is all well and good but, if Shaw is anything like many people (myself included) - things tend to cement themselves in real life situations. If Shaw needs Mourinho (or one of the other coaches) in his head helping him, maybe if for a few games or even more than that give it a go - because like he said he has a lot of potential and ability compared to the others.
For the club's sake hope all this battering does not backfire.
Mourinho says that Shaw needs to develop a football brain and by 21 he should have one. Well lets see, the year before he was out most of the season, this year he has hardly got a kick in matches and some how he is supposed to magically have developed? Training is all well and good but, if Shaw is anything like many people (myself included) - things tend to cement themselves in real life situations. If Shaw needs Mourinho (or one of the other coaches) in his head helping him, maybe if for a few games or even more than that give it a go - because like he said he has a lot of potential and ability compared to the others.
For the club's sake hope all this battering does not backfire.
His latest comments irk me even more. I honestly don't think he'd be saying any if these things if we'd won the last 2 games. If it's an attempt to shift attention away from his in dificiencies then it seems to be working.
His comments about controlling Shaw due to being close to him on the side of the pitch are so strange, he's making out that he can't be trusted to play his own game..yet this is a lad who stood out playing Premiership football regularly at 17. He impressed so much that José, and ourselves were willing to spend huge money on him. Mourinho is starting to remind me of Monty Burns coaching baseball
"I told him to do that"
Yeah that's the strangest part of this. Putting aside him calling players out publically, this remark doesn't even make sense.
He was performing consistently in the EPL as a teenager. For a defender that's well ahead of most other players. Clearly Shaw knows how to play football.
The first comments on Shaw made sense to me but after last night? Not so much.
Really hoping this isn't Mourinho losing the plot in his usual style
Really hoping this isn't Mourinho losing the plot in his usual style
If Valencia was fit he wouldn't have even been on the bench. Likewise if Young hadn't picked up the injury, Shaw wouldn't have made it off the bench.
He pretty much said he was too thick to think for himself how is that not personal?
I suspect Shaw has had an attitude problem and Mourinho doesn't want to be publicly kissing his arse after one decent sub appearance for Luke to get complacent again.
The only thing I can think of is that Jose is trying to get a reaction out of Shaw. Make him angry, so he works twice as hard in training to prove the manager wrong. I hope thats the case and not simply that Jose just doesn't like him. Even if he is struggling, I don't think constantly publicly bashing him is going to help the situation. If Jose feels he's not up to the standard, then why didn't he sell him in January and bring in a replacement? Surely thats better than this soap opera. Now we know the Sunderland press conference is going to be full of Shaw questions and Jose will probably trot out some one line about "expert" or "philosophers" to defend the backlash to his comments.
Also wasn't there a story that Jose was unhappy with Shaw because he was talking to the opposition at half-time of one of the games? Maybe thats the reason for the animosity. Hopefully this isn't going to poison the dressing room. I'm not a fan of these modern day prima donna footballers but it can't be a coincidence that at every club he's been, there have been rumours of massive player unrest.
Also wasn't there a story that Jose was unhappy with Shaw because he was talking to the opposition at half-time of one of the games? Maybe thats the reason for the animosity. Hopefully this isn't going to poison the dressing room. I'm not a fan of these modern day prima donna footballers but it can't be a coincidence that at every club he's been, there have been rumours of massive player unrest.
Why not Darmian since he was ahead of Shaw?
Darmian's more defensive and we needed a goal.
Didn't José turn down Shaw's salary demands ?
to quote from the time:
“If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead,” he said. “We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room.
“Because when you pay that much to a 19-year-old kid – a good player, fantastic player – but when you pay that amount of money, the next day, we would have had players knocking on our door."
So Shaw is useful for something at least.
http://www.espnfcasia.com/mancheste...luke-shaw-he-has-to-change-his-football-brain
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/it-was-his-body-with-my-brain-mourinho-in-new-luke-shaw-barb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...inues-damning-luke-shaw-criticism-body-brain/
click-bait misleading titles by the media, there's no problem with Mourinho's latest comments about Luke Shaw. Check the vids to see the press conferences and see how the manager said about him. It's very positive and good criticisms. Funny how media turns it around and make drama about it.
Basically, Mourinho values Shaw, admitting he have a lot of football qualities except one. It's clear Shaw have only one issue, lack of football understandings, which they're still working out in training Shaw. Overall, the manager is happy with Shaw's last performance, but points out this is Manchester United, and the standard to play is very high.
Carry on improving Shaw, be the very best LB of this generation.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/it-was-his-body-with-my-brain-mourinho-in-new-luke-shaw-barb
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...inues-damning-luke-shaw-criticism-body-brain/
Other than the obvious
click-bait misleading titles by the media, there's no problem with Mourinho's latest comments about Luke Shaw. Check the vids to see the press conferences and see how the manager said about him. It's very positive and good criticisms. Funny how media turns it around and make drama about it.Basically, Mourinho values Shaw, admitting he have a lot of football qualities except one. It's clear Shaw have only one issue, lack of football understandings, which they're still working out in training Shaw. Overall, the manager is happy with Shaw's last performance, but points out this is Manchester United, and the standard to play is very high.
Carry on improving Shaw, be the very best LB of this generation.
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http://www.espnfcasia.com/mancheste...luke-shaw-he-has-to-change-his-football-brain
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/mourinho-drops-striker-signing-hint-critical-of-man-utd-stars
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...inues-damning-luke-shaw-criticism-body-brain/
Other than the obvious
Basically, Mourinho values Shaw, admitting he have a lot of football qualities except one. It's clear Shaw have only one issue, lack of football understandings, which they're still working out in training Shaw. Overall, the manager is happy with Shaw's last performance, but points out this is Manchester United, and the standard to play is very high.
Carry on improving Shaw, be the very best LB of this generation.
I feel pump up just by reading his comment. It is obvious that Mou rates Shaw high, as saying he has all the talent (fantastic body and technical ability) to have a future at Manchester United. The footballing brain can be improved as he's still young. The talent is harder to improve at his stage. As long as he stays fit and be professional, he has a good mentor on the other side of defence to look up into about being a fullback.
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http://www.espnfcasia.com/mancheste...luke-shaw-he-has-to-change-his-football-brain
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/mourinho-drops-striker-signing-hint-critical-of-man-utd-stars
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...inues-damning-luke-shaw-criticism-body-brain/
Other than the obvious
Basically, Mourinho values Shaw, admitting he have a lot of football qualities except one. It's clear Shaw have only one issue, lack of football understandings, which they're still working out in training Shaw. Overall, the manager is happy with Shaw's last performance, but points out this is Manchester United, and the standard to play is very high.
Carry on improving Shaw, be the very best LB of this generation.
Exactly and yet you have people saying he should be sued for it on here
Sued for saying a 21 year old has all the talent but needs to improve his footballing intelligence. Beggars belief
It might be, but the way it is delivered and from whom I have a problem with. What has Mark Ogden ever done in his life despite being a shitty journalist? It's just petty and not any better than Mourinho's comments about Shaw.
Although, tbh, Mourinho's previous public criticisms of Shaw is not that proper, and could have bad consequences in the long run. Not a fan of his public player criticism habit. There 're better methods in motivating players. Then again, he's not SAF, whom only resort to that method very rarely but selective.
Well, he's a very successful journalist that has managed to write for the Daily Telegraph and The Indepedent. By any recognition I'm pretty sure he's proud of his achievements.
I haven't considered that possibility closely, but Poch has shown ruthlessness in culling from the squad anyone who doesn't work hard or who publicly conflicts with any of his coaching staff - e.g. Adebayor, Andros Townsend, Bentaleb, Assou-Ekotto - which I take as an indication that he simply acts rather than make criticising public pronouncements.
The outcome is that all the disruptive and/or lazy squad players have gone, that all the current squad players know they have to give their all, and that team spirit is very strong.
Given how hard he makes the players train (which has resulted in superb fitness levels), I can't believe that any of them see Poch as soft.
As for winning mentality, well I suppose that can be questioned until Spurs win a trophy with him at the helm ... although we do tend to win quite a lot of league games these days.
Been saying this for a while that there's too many oppo fans on here who just seem to be here to WUM. Glaston bringing up Pochettino says it all. Don't know about anyone else but I come on the caf to read opinions from United fans rather than read irrelevant opposition fan opinions on our club. If I wanted to read their opinions on United I would go to a general football forum or have a look on their respective forums. Not having a go at all of them as there are some really good posters on here and some make some excellent posts on United but you see more and more of them pop up in United threads with their sly digs and obvious wumming.
My bad for going off topic... I thought Shaw did well when he came on last night. Mourinho's comments were very bizarre. Still not sure what he meant with them.
Exactly and yet you have people saying he should be sued for it on here
Sued for saying a 21 year old has all the talent but needs to improve his footballing intelligence. Beggars belief
It's not just that, it's directed personal criticism. He's accused him of lacking focus, lacking ambition, not putting in the effort and now has taken a swipe at his intelligence to do the job on the field.
I'm just glad Luke has resisted the temptation to speak out in defence and tell the World how he feels about all this as that would likely be the nail in the coffin of his career here. I can imagine how frustrating it is if you're putting in effort and your in manager is publicly shaming you without being able to give your side.
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