Mourinho: "Luke Shaw a long way behind" | Shaw: "I will fight to the last second"

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rocks13 said:
If my boss was coming out and publicly criticising me and suggesting that I couldn't do my job I'd certainly be speaking to my HR department. Would you not?
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Yes I would, but if my boss for Sunday league told me I was shite and I had to improve, I would hardly be considering a law suit.

Also on a completely unrelated matter, your boss would have spoken to you in private multiple times prior and wouldn't be saying you're shite at your job unless you were tbf. No-one is going to keep a shite worker and give them free money.
 
Verbal assault! Legal action!! It's inhumane, why won't someone please think of the children.
 
Womp said:
Yes I would, but if my boss for Sunday league told me I was shite and I had to improve, I would hardly be considering a law suit.

Also on a completely unrelated matter, your boss would have spoken to you in private multiple times prior and wouldn't be saying you're shite at your job unless you were tbf. No-one is going to keep a shite worker and give them free money.
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And clearly that what a manager's role is - to work with people and try to improve their performance. Not to come out and bitch about it because you can't.
 
rocks13 said:
And clearly that what a manager's role is - to work with people and try to improve their performance. Not to come out and bitch about it because you can't.
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It's not a manager's job to hold the hand of grown adults. That's what babysitters and public school teachers are for. Not sure what kind of work place you work in pal, but if I wasn't up to scratch I'd get warnings then fired, no manager has time for people who don't give a feck.
 
parisite said:
What ? How is suggesting that the player is as thick as two short planks not verbal harrassement. Seems to me that's what José has said here, the player is good but is too thick to use his talents. I'd sue the bugger if I was Shaw.
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Well thats your interpretation as he didn't say that. He said he needs to develop his footballing brain i.e he needs to mature the tactical side of his game. A perfectly reasonable observation of a young player.

I do find it amusing every time our resident Jose haters get themselves in a little huff. Sue ffs :lol:
 
I think Mourinho's criticism of Shaw & others is disgraceful & shows what a hypocrite he is. This summer he was behind the signing of a world record fee for a player, who has consistently been butt average all season, & never seems to control any game, let alone win them. He never seems to think with his brain, but despite this Pogba has been completely indulged by his manager, as though he is a naughty kid who just needs to be able to do his own thing. What sort of message does this send out to their teammates when the likes of him & Ibrahimovic can seemingly do what they like, & never get subbed however poor they play. If it was me I would want a transfer away as soon as possible.
 
.It was hardly a "rant" as some people have called it, but yeah, I didn't really understand the point on this occasion.

Picking a game to make these comments where our right sided attacker was too dumb to ever appear on the right side of the pitch, other people seemed confused as to which one of them even was the fullback, and Fellaini seemed like he could very much do with borrowing someone else's brain, is just a bit odd.

Most of the players seemed confused as to what they were meant to be doing and probably could have done with being told. I'd prefer Shaw waiting to be told than doing what Lingard did and fecking up the entire shape of the team time and time again.

Perhaps if this is a problem, don't dick about with the line up and formation to the point that it creates confusion and apprehension. I doubt Shaw doesn't know how to play at left back
 
Womp said:
It's not a manager's job to hold the hand of grown adults. That's what babysitters and public school teachers are for. Not sure what kind of work place you work in pal, but if I wasn't up to scratch I'd get warnings then fired, no manager has time for people who don't give a feck.
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I think your job running your one man Jose Mourinho fan club should be safe for a while yet.
 
Smores said:
Bullying? Ffs some of you lot are sensitive souls.

He didn't say anything that was a personal attack, bog standard performance related comments. He needs to mature and work hard oh no the horror
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So you can readily think of other examples of a manager saying a player only performed because he gave him kick by kick instructions?
 
rocks13 said:
If my boss was coming out and publicly criticising me and suggesting that I couldn't do my job I'd certainly be speaking to my HR department. Would you not?
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On what grounds do you think you have a complaint? Seriously people.

He didn't suggest he couldn't do his job he suggested he needed to improve. Managers in any sector can call you out publically when its relevant feedback on work performance and not personal criticism. Whether thats appropriate is another matter but some companies have a culture of doing such, namely Japenese companies.
 
Smores said:
Well thats your interpretation as he didn't say that. He said he needs to develop his footballing brain i.e he needs to mature the tactical side of his game. A perfectly reasonable observation of a young player.

I do find it amusing every time our resident Jose haters get themselves in a little huff. Sue ffs :lol:
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I'm not even a José hater, I just think he's lost it of late and is lashing out blindly at every turn when something displeases him. He's got previous just about everywhere he's been and his singling out of certain players is going to cause problems again. Don't forget that Eva took José and Chelsea for 5 million for a stupid out of place comment.
 
parisite said:
I'm not even a José hater, I just think he's lost it of late and is lashing out blindly at every turn when something displeases him. He's got previous just about everywhere he's been and his singling out of certain players is going to cause problems again. Don't forget that Eva took José and Chelsea for 5 million for a stupid out of place comment.
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By lashing out you mean responding to a very specific question? Im not sure it was wise he could have said he was pleased but he has a long way to go or something. The reaction in here though is hysterical as if he'd called Shaw a shite.
 
Smores said:
By lashing out you mean responding to a very specific question? Im not sure it was wise he could have said he was pleased but he has a long way to go or something. The reaction in here though is hysterical as if he'd called Shaw a shite.
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There's a couple of posters overreacting but calling it a "bog standard criticism" is almost as misplaced.
 
Gee I sure hope he didn't hurt little Luke's feelings there, how will he ever recover?
 
I can't imagine Pochettino publicly criticising and putting down individual players in the way that Mourinho does. It encourages scapegoating within the squad, is not the way to build team spirit and is not the way to build player confidence.

The more I see of Mourinho compared to Pochettino, the more I see a petulant and ego-centric child compared to a calm and responsible adult.
 
Dobbs said:
There's a couple of posters overreacting but calling it a "bog standard criticism" is almost as misplaced.
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Are we all forgetting Adnan exists suddenly? LvG criticised him loads even once after he scored the winning goal if i recall correctly. Depay equally got criticised numerous times but not quite as much as Adnan.
 
Whats Mourinhos game here with our younger players? In the last 2 weeks he has publically let Martial, Rashford, Lingard and Shaw down. It's not right. Whats his game? Ruin their confidence? Don't like it.
 
Smores said:
Are we all forgetting Adnan exists suddenly? LvG criticised him loads even once after he scored the winning goal if i recall correctly. Depay equally got criticised numerous times but not quite as much as Adnan.
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And how did that work out for all concerned?
 
GlastonSpur said:
I can't imagine Pochettino publicly criticising and putting down individual players in the way that Mourinho does. It encourages scapegoating within the squad, is not the way to build team spirit and is not the way to build player confidence.

The more I see of Mourinho compared to Pochettino, the more I see a petulant and ego-centric child compared to a calm and responsible adult.
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I was against him coming to United, but I'm completely open to being proved wrong, and I was starting to come onside for a couple of weeks there when there were some green shoots of progress but this shit is one of the reasons I was against him coming. This can go 1 of 2 ways, either it lights a fire under the players, or they stop playing for him.
 
As a manager you have to balance addressing performance issues with the development and wellbeing of your staff. It's a hard thing to do.

Here's a question. Why have these issues with Shaw been highlighted by several different managers now? It's not just Mourinho and some vendetta.

There has to be a point as a manager in any sector when you deal with underperformance. This can be difficult but for the benefit of the organisation, or in this case the club, it would be even more unprofessional to ignore it as it really damages the culture and makes it acceptable.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I can't imagine Pochettino publicly criticising and putting down individual players in the way that Mourinho does. It encourages scapegoating within the squad, is not the way to build team spirit and is not the way to build player confidence.

The more I see of Mourinho compared to Pochettino, the more I see a petulant and ego-centric child compared to a calm and responsible adult.
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Have you considered the other angle of Poch not having that winning mentality though and is possibly too soft?
 
I just heard the full extent of what he said. If I was Shaw i'd punch him in the mouth.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I can't imagine Pochettino publicly criticising and putting down individual players in the way that Mourinho does. It encourages scapegoating within the squad, is not the way to build team spirit and is not the way to build player confidence.

The more I see of Mourinho compared to Pochettino, the more I see a petulant and ego-centric child compared to a calm and responsible adult.
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Pochettino has never won anything. It's not even worth comparing.
 
TheReligion said:
Have you considered the other angle of Poch not having that winning mentality though and is possibly too soft?
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Does having 'a winning mentality' have to mean you are extremely tough on your players though? Can you not have a great team spirit and have a bit of warmth about you but also have a winning mentality? By the way I have no idea what the answer is, just putting it out there. Are all winners the same kind of people?
 
TheReligion said:
As a manager you have to balance addressing performance issues with the development and wellbeing of your staff. It's a hard thing to do.

Here's a question. Why have these issues with Shaw been highlighted by several different managers now? It's not just Mourinho and some vendetta.

There has to be a point as a manager in any sector when you deal with underperformance. This can be difficult but for the benefit of the organisation, or in this case the club, it would be even more unprofessional to ignore it as it really damages the culture and makes it acceptable.
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When have these issues ever been highlighted before? His fitness has been questioned but Mourinho basically said he doesn't know how to play football. I can't recall anyone saying that before - I'm sure you can provide quotes.
 
Zoo said:
Pochettino has never won anything. It's not even worth comparing.
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Agreed. Just remember most Spurs fans are highly delusion beings. Must be the North London air cause Arse fans are pure nutters.
 
Zoo said:
Pochettino has never won anything. It's not even worth comparing.
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Well to be fair to Pochettino he has never had anything near the resources handed to him that Jose has been given at virtually every team he has ever managed, it's a different situation.
 
Let's face it, our manager has foot in mouth disease.

Give the boy a bollocking behind the scenes (frankly all the bloody players need it) - but don't do this sort of thing in public. Jose's heaped even more pressure on himself with those comments.

Just checking comments from various United fan sites - there's quite a lot of people not impressed with his latest outburst.
He better get a hold of himself if he doesn't want to lose the fans' support.
 
balaks said:
Well to be fair to Pochettino he has never had anything near the resources handed to him that Jose has been given at virtually every team he has ever managed, it's a different situation.
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Tbf I don't believe Jose had huge resources at Porto for eg....
 
balaks said:
Well to be fair to Pochettino he has never had anything near the resources handed to him that Jose has been given at virtually every team he has ever managed, it's a different situation.
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Not sure how valid this is, as if he was as special as some like to make out he would have overcome it. He came third in a two horse race last season and showed a cowardly approach in the Europa League which indicates a loser mentality.
 
Smores said:
Are we all forgetting Adnan exists suddenly? LvG criticised him loads even once after he scored the winning goal if i recall correctly. Depay equally got criticised numerous times but not quite as much as Adnan.
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I'm not sure anything LvG said matched upto the Shaw comments but citing another loony manager who completely bombed doesn't back up your claim it was a "bog standard" criticism.

Yeah footballers are overly protected today but you can swing too far the other way. This is an example.
 
Not sure what to make of last night's comments. is he implying that Shaw is thick? I would feel seriously P8ssed off if my manager came and and publically said I wasnt able to do my job that they have to keep giving me instructions. Seems a weird situation. I presume Shaw has always played left back even from school days. So therefore should be used to the position and expectations.

He is gone in the summer. No way back from two bashings
 
Zoo said:
Not sure how valid this is, as if he was as special as some like to make out he would have overcome it. He came third in a two horse race last season and showed a cowardly approach in the Europa League which indicates a loser mentality.
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He is overcoming it though with how well Spurs are performing, we have the resources of a mid-table club but we are way above what we should be when you look at wages/resources, etc. Anyway, I really do not want to turn this into a Jose vs Pochettino debate because I'm actually I huge fan of Mourhino and I think he is one of the very best managers in the world and one of the best of all time.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I can't imagine Pochettino publicly criticising and putting down individual players in the way that Mourinho does. It encourages scapegoating within the squad, is not the way to build team spirit and is not the way to build player confidence.

The more I see of Mourinho compared to Pochettino, the more I see a petulant and ego-centric child compared to a calm and responsible adult.
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Well done for bringing in Spurs to yet another thread not about them.
 
rocks13 said:
When have these issues ever been highlighted before? His fitness has been questioned but Mourinho basically said he doesn't know how to play football. I can't recall anyone saying that before - I'm sure you can provide quotes.
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Hodgson and LvG were both critical of Shaw especially his fitness and motivation.

My point is theres a reoccurring theme. What's the problem? Why is he not delivering and why have the different, extremely knowledgeable and well respected Managers, felt the need to go public?

It's pretty obvious for whatever reason Shaw doesn't seem to listen and respond behind closed doors. This is an issue for him and rather than finding JM's comments a concern I would rather focus on Shaw getting his act together as he's not a baby anymore. He's got a massive opportunity which he seems happy to waste.

Mourinho even said again last night he wants to help Shaw. He also mentioned Rashford not scoring in the league since before Christmas. Again not acceptable. His attitude is clearly better than Luke's though hence his continued game time.
 
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