Mourinho bringing on Fellaini to defend a lead

[ryansgirl]

Bastian

Ah, that's right. Thanks. I especially liked your last comment about the team lacking spirit and hunger. I think the quality is there, but the fact is this does not look like a Manchester United team of the sort that have made United's reputation since the Premier League's inception.

Mourinho and any manager that follows him is going to have to deal with that inconvenient truth, and also adjust their thinking if they want to take United back to where it belongs given its status, financial advantages, and ethos - Manchester United is built on winning the title.

The attitude of some of the team members does not reflect Manchester United, but some of this is to do with haphazard signings and the ever stronger notion that United should do a Manchester City and Chelsea - construct a team from non British, overly expensive players without thought for the spirit of the club.

There has always been something mechanical about watching the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City win titles. There is no sense of a club soul and I for one don't want to see Manchester United go this way. Especially as it could very well be that we go that way under Mourinho and don't get the corresponding titles or silverware.

 

[MILLHILLMANC]

Ah, that's right. Thanks. I especially liked your last comment about the team lacking spirit and hunger. I think the quality is there, but the fact is this does not look like a Manchester United team of the sort that have made United's reputation since the Premier League's inception.

Mourinho and any manager that follows him is going to have to deal with that inconvenient truth, and also adjust their thinking if they want to take United back to where it belongs given its status, financial advantages, and ethos - Manchester United is built on winning the title.

The attitude of some of the team members does not reflect Manchester United, but some of this is to do with haphazard signings and the ever stronger notion that United should do a Manchester City and Chelsea - construct a team from non British, overly expensive players without thought for the spirit of the club.

There has always been something mechanical about watching the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City win titles. There is no sense of a club soul and I for one don't want to see Manchester United go this way. Especially as it could very well be that we go that way under Mourinho and don't get the corresponding titles or silverware.

Brilliant post...lost on this forum and the modern day united fan for the most part sadly.

 

[Red Dreams]

Ah, that's right. Thanks. I especially liked your last comment about the team lacking spirit and hunger. I think the quality is there, but the fact is this does not look like a Manchester United team of the sort that have made United's reputation since the Premier League's inception.

Mourinho and any manager that follows him is going to have to deal with that inconvenient truth, and also adjust their thinking if they want to take United back to where it belongs given its status, financial advantages, and ethos - Manchester United is built on winning the title.

The attitude of some of the team members does not reflect Manchester United, but some of this is to do with haphazard signings and the ever stronger notion that United should do a Manchester City and Chelsea - construct a team from non British, overly expensive players without thought for the spirit of the club.

There has always been something mechanical about watching the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City win titles. There is no sense of a club soul and I for one don't want to see Manchester United go this way. Especially as it could very well be that we go that way under Mourinho and don't get the corresponding titles or silverware.

thank you

 

[R300k]

Looking at Fellaini incident and how patient Mourinho treated him, I dont think Schneiderlin has the chance he deserves to play

 

[Jaybomb]

Three different managers and they've all taken a liking to Fellaini. It just doesn't make sense. He's either the most likeable guy of all time or he has some serious dirt on United.

Or maybe some people don't know what they're talking about.

 

[Meller]

Absolute nonsense.

Well I posted it right after the game which was stupid, but honestly, looking at last season and now this, the signs are there. We've had our worst start in the Premiership era, after another summer of massive spending. If we think that last season with Chelsea was just a blip, judging him only this season, it doesn't look that promising does it? Sure we do play better football then last season, but that's not saying much and we don't get any results. We've lost to Watford, drawn at home to relegation contenders such as West Ham, Burnley and Stoke (a bit better admittedly, but at the time were crap). Not mentioning the battering at home against City, away to Chelsea and the Europa League losses against much inferior opponents. Then the games against Arsenal and Everton where with a few better subs and a different approach in the last 20 mins, we should have come away with the win.
Then there's the 'I'm not happy in Manchester' rumours. The fact that he's been suspended twice. His treatment of Bastian and then all of a sudden he's back in the squad. His treatment of Mhiki, who has proven to be a very good player when given games. Also his inability to drop Rooney in the beginning of the season, and now that he actually looks decent he doesn't get to play much. His weird substitutions, not just in the top games but against Swansea for example. We're up 3-0 at half time, no subs made and we played absoulute crap in the second, almost inviting one of the worst teams in the league back in the game before a few subs around the 80th minute. This while a lot of our players were struggling for form (Martial, Mhiki) who couldn't get a look in even when 3-0 up against cannon fodder.

I would not say that he's done as a top manager for sure, and as I said I posted right after the game when I was frustrated, but it sure as hell doesn't look promising. I hope he can turn it around and honestly it wouldn't surprise me. But at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if it got worse from here on out either.

 

[VP89]

Well I posted it right after the game which was stupid, but honestly, looking at last season and now this, the signs are there. We've had our worst start in the Premiership era, after another summer of massive spending. If we think that last season with Chelsea was just a blip, judging him only this season, it doesn't look that promising does it? Sure we do play better football then last season, but that's not saying much and we don't get any results. We've lost to Watford, drawn at home to relegation contenders such as West Ham, Burnley and Stoke (a bit better admittedly, but at the time were crap). Not mentioning the battering at home against City, away to Chelsea and the Europa League losses against much inferior opponents. Then the games against Arsenal and Everton where with a few better subs and a different approach in the last 20 mins, we should have come away with the win.
Then there's the 'I'm not happy in Manchester' rumours. The fact that he's been suspended twice. His treatment of Bastian and then all of a sudden he's back in the squad. His treatment of Mhiki, who has proven to be a very good player when given games. Also his inability to drop Rooney in the beginning of the season, and now that he actually looks decent he doesn't get to play much. His weird substitutions, not just in the top games but against Swansea for example. We're up 3-0 at half time, no subs made and we played absoulute crap in the second, almost inviting one of the worst teams in the league back in the game before a few subs around the 80th minute. This while a lot of our players were struggling for form (Martial, Mhiki) who couldn't get a look in even when 3-0 up against cannon fodder.

I would not say that he's done as a top manager for sure, and as I said I posted right after the game when I was frustrated, but it sure as hell doesn't look promising. I hope he can turn it around and honestly it wouldn't surprise me. But at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if it got worse from here on out either.

We can all make lists from managers in the premier league who have literally made catelogues of errors in their judgement. Fact is, in 3 of the draws we outplayed the opposition and created chance after chance without taking them. The manager isn't responsible for that and it really comes down to luck (although I'd put the Everton fixture down to bad judgement for Fellaini's substituion only).

 

[saivet]

Yet had we brought say Mata or Schneiderlin on and they scored a headed goal some would moan we didn't prepare for the crosses by bringing on the right player. Was clearly a dumb tackle from Fellaini, but let's not pretend he gives away penalties on a regular basis.

 

[VP89]

Bringing Fellaini on was a defeatist move. Its just a dinosaur approach, asusming the best way to tighten us up is to bring on a lump of meat.

I can't really see the logic in having someone rash on the ball trying to defend against a 442. Blind as a holding midfielder would have provided the necessary composure and intelligence to handle the tempo & disrupt play, assuming Bailly couldn't play for the 6 minutes we had left.

 

[Meller]

We can all make lists from managers in the premier league who have literally made catelogues of errors in their judgement. Fact is, in 3 of the draws we outplayed the opposition and created chance after chance without taking them. The manager isn't responsible for that and it really comes down to luck (although I'd put the Everton fixture down to bad judgement for Fellaini's substituion only).

I'd agree but such things as lineups and subs is up to the manager. Taking off Mata, arguably our best player this season against Burnley for Fellaini is just incredible really. Many other questionable subs and lineups during our poor run, starting Lingard against Burnley and West Ham, and keeping him on the pitch for too long. Rooney against Watford, one of the worst performances by a United player I've seen in the last few years, and he plays 90 minutes. Zlatan whilst being crap plays 90, as does Pogba. Things like this is what have made me doubt Mourinho the most this season.

Lots of positives as well but at this point in time where we have 2 wins in 11, these decisions get scrutinized. And rightly so.

 

[johanovic]

I'd agree but such things as lineups and subs is up to the manager. Taking off Mata, arguably our best player this season against Burnley for Fellaini is just incredible really. Many other questionable subs and lineups during our poor run, starting Lingard against Burnley and West Ham, and keeping him on the pitch for too long. Rooney against Watford, one of the worst performances by a United player I've seen in the last few years, and he plays 90 minutes. Zlatan whilst being crap plays 90, as does Pogba. Things like this is what have made me doubt Mourinho the most this season.

Lots of positives as well but at this point in time where we have 2 wins in 11, these decisions get scrutinized. And rightly so.

Agree with you and should Mourinho not be judged on result´s like Conte for example, the transformation of the Chelsea squad and switching to a bold 3-4-3 or 3-6-1 like he did turned Chelsea into title contenders while Mourinho seems to lost and has not found the right system or his starting 11. How Mkhitaryan was not played before stunned me as I´ve followed german football for a while and he has the rare gift of making thing´s happen and keeping the tempo and should be starting every game and his best postion is behind Ibra as a attacking midfielder/playmaker. We need a great right winger with crossing ability and pace plus a defensive midfielder/playmaker for Carrick, that would help us a lot.

 

[VP89]

I'd agree but such things as lineups and subs is up to the manager. Taking off Mata, arguably our best player this season against Burnley for Fellaini is just incredible really. Many other questionable subs and lineups during our poor run, starting Lingard against Burnley and West Ham, and keeping him on the pitch for too long. Rooney against Watford, one of the worst performances by a United player I've seen in the last few years, and he plays 90 minutes. Zlatan whilst being crap plays 90, as does Pogba. Things like this is what have made me doubt Mourinho the most this season.

Lots of positives as well but at this point in time where we have 2 wins in 11, these decisions get scrutinized. And rightly so.

We created a lot against Burnley and Stoke tbf so I dont' really see value in blaming him for those. I agree Lingard shouldn't start however, but yet again, we should have put West Ham and Everton away with the chances created and didn't. I think the problem is more our wider players, barring Mkhitaryan, aren't good enough. I don't think Martial is that great yet (he hasn't been consistent since the first half of last season), Lingard is a squad player who wouldn't even make the Arsenal Liverpool Chelsea or City bench and Depay is worse.

What we need is a wider player running at defenders consistently with a decent % of beating their man and interlinking play well. Only one of our 5 wingers is seemingly able to that consistently.

 

[Name Changed]

It was an absolutely stupid idea for Mourinho to bring on Fellaini. It made no sense, he can't defend, always gives the ball away and constantly gives fouls away. If he was brought on for his height then fair enough if Everton was hoisting long balls. They weren't really though. Jones was dealing with most that they did throw up anyway.

Everyone knows what Fellaini is like. The decision is especially bad if you have a player like Schweinsteiger who can come on a help control a game and see it out. It's easier to see the game out with the ball at your feet than kicking it back to the opposition at every opportunity and relying on your defensive capabilities to defend the scoreline.

Absolutely shocking management. I was very annoyed when I saw him coming on because I knew he'd give away at least one stupid free kick nevermind the ball on numerous occasions. I didn't expect him to give a penalty away in a minute and then laugh about it for the rest of the game.

 

[ryansgirl]

Brilliant post...lost on this forum and the modern day united fan for the most part sadly.

Thanks very much. I think Manchester United's future depends on holding on to its soul. Despite criticism from multiple sources that says otherwise since United became the huge brand it is from the 90s onwards, our club has managed to keep its identity but the unrest since Sir Alex went has made it more difficult to do.

David Moyes was the worst thing to happen to United post Sir Alex - not Louis VG. It was incredibly frustrating to see Moyes fail to build on the tremendous goodwill that accompanied his appointment as he was well placed to keep Manchester United's stability and traditions, old and more recent. As a Scot who was familiar with Sir Alex, he had the benefit of insights that a non-Scottish/British manager would not have had.

Had Moyes been more secure in himself as manager of one of the three biggest clubs in the world, he would have known better than the ill-conceived 'I'm not Sir Alex' manoeuvres. Despite the ending of the long reign of Sir Alex, United was stable and everything Moyes needed was laid out for him.

 

[Name Changed]

Three different managers and they've all taken a liking to Fellaini. It just doesn't make sense. He's either the most likeable guy of all time or he has some serious dirt on United.

Has Mourinho really taking a liking to him? He used him in certain situations or when he had a load of injuries. He was hardly first name of the team sheet.

 

[red4ever 79]

I blame Mourinho more than Afro man. Shocking tactics to bring him on when defending a lead. Then came the old tried and trusted excuse that he is there for his aerial ability to help us defend long balls. Absolute b*ll. Awful footballer, stonewall penalty and I hope Mourinho has now realised this guy is not one we can trust

 

[ryansgirl]

thank you

You're welcome! Mourinho may yet surprise us after this initial difficult period by showing he understands and respects Manchester United's identity. As I've said elsewhere, I would love to be proved wrong.

In theory I'd like to see a Ryan/Gary Neville management team backed up by alumni such as Scholesy but it is probably a pipe dream and not practical. I don't think Gary Nev's brief Spanish outing disqualifies him - anybody who knows about La Liga knew he (and Moyes) would be out on their ears within a relatively short time because of the Spanish game's characteristics.

 

[Scholesy]

Yet had we brought say Mata or Schneiderlin on and they scored a headed goal some would moan we didn't prepare for the crosses by bringing on the right player. Was clearly a dumb tackle from Fellaini, but let's not pretend he gives away penalties on a regular basis.

But it wasn't like Everton had a team of giants on the pitch...and Fellaini has never been great in the air either, more likely to give away foul than head the ball

 

[Hugh Jass]

We can all make lists from managers in the premier league who have literally made catelogues of errors in their judgement. Fact is, in 3 of the draws we outplayed the opposition and created chance after chance without taking them. The manager isn't responsible for that and it really comes down to luck (although I'd put the Everton fixture down to bad judgement for Fellaini's substituion only).

This.

 

[Drz]

We can all make lists from managers in the premier league who have literally made catelogues of errors in their judgement. Fact is, in 3 of the draws we outplayed the opposition and created chance after chance without taking them. The manager isn't responsible for that and it really comes down to luck (although I'd put the Everton fixture down to bad judgement for Fellaini's substituion only).

Of course Mou isn't Moyes, but this reminds me of Moyes' games where we crossed the ball I don't know how many times. What were the stats for chance creation in those games? (I seem to remember the Fulham at home game where we had a record amount of crosses...).

 

[JJ12]

Preparing for an aerial assault from Everton. They were playing route 1 balls all day long and it would have made sense to bring on a tall, physical player.

Mourinho was let down by Fellaini and it should be his last chance because he is trash.

 

[VP89]

Of course Mou isn't Moyes, but this reminds me of Moyes' games where we crossed the ball I don't know how many times. What were the stats for chance creation in those games? (I seem to remember the Fulham at home game where we had a record amount of crosses...).

We didn't create vs Fulham under Moyes. We crossed the ball mindlessly. Versus Burnley and Stoke under Jose we had a silly amount of chances, something like 15-18 shots.

In the Everton game we threw away, we had 10 shots, which is still a lot even if we discount Pogba's couple of row Z efforts.

 

[Escobar]

I blame Mourinho more than Afro man. Shocking tactics to bring him on when defending a lead. Then came the old tried and trusted excuse that he is there for his aerial ability to help us defend long balls. Absolute b*ll. Awful footballer, stonewall penalty and I hope Mourinho has now realised this guy is not one we can trust

That just doesnt make sense. It was a mistake by Jose to bring him on but the one who really fecked up was the one fouling another player stupidly in the penalty box

 

[kouroux]

Yet had we brought say Mata or Schneiderlin on and they scored a headed goal some would moan we didn't prepare for the crosses by bringing on the right player. Was clearly a dumb tackle from Fellaini, but let's not pretend he gives away penalties on a regular basis.

He does give away fouls on a regular basis. Whether they are penalties or not is another matter. Fellaini's presence will encourage opposition to attack him and get reactions and set pieces from him.

 

[devilish]

Three different managers and they've all taken a liking to Fellaini. It just doesn't make sense. He's either the most likeable guy of all time or he has some serious dirt on United.

Well, I believe the issue is far more complicated then that.

A- Moyes only signed him in the very last day of the transfer market after courting Fabregas for months. We could have gotten him cheaper but the idiot passed the chance because he was absolutely certain he'll get his man

B- LVG tried to sell him in the first year. Unfortunately the only two clubs who showed up (Napoli/AC Milan) wanted him on loan, with a ridiculous minimum clause attached to the deal and with United paying half his salary. In the end he was forced to play him because LVG's philosophy of a small squad both in terms of players and in terms of inches backfired badly and he needed all the help he could get

C- Mourinho's first priority was to add inches to the midget team left by LVG. He brought Bailly, Pogba, Mkhitaryan and Ibra. Unfortunately 3 of them play in advanced roles so defensive wise we're basically in nearly the same situation LVG left us in.

 

[ryansgirl]

Of course Mou isn't Moyes, but this reminds me of Moyes' games where we crossed the ball I don't know how many times. What were the stats for chance creation in those games? (I seem to remember the Fulham at home game where we had a record amount of crosses...).

Ah, the cross overdose day. I remember clearly - the number of crosses was 81.............

Moyes had every opportunity to succeed at United and showed he wasn't up to it. The football was absolutely horrendous, from players standing like statues to the other extreme of passing then running mindlessly away, Evertonians replacing respected United staff and doing jack to justify the usurpation, confusion, and the team looking like it had just appeared from the 3rd Division for the day in so many matches.

It was so bad that posters such as Pogue Mahone were starting threads wishing United would lose so Moyes would be on his way. And this United team were the current Champions at the time.

 

[MILLHILLMANC]

Thanks very much. I think Manchester United's future depends on holding on to its soul. Despite criticism from multiple sources that says otherwise since United became the huge brand it is from the 90s onwards, our club has managed to keep its identity but the unrest since Sir Alex went has made it more difficult to do.

David Moyes was the worst thing to happen to United post Sir Alex - not Louis VG. It was incredibly frustrating to see Moyes fail to build on the tremendous goodwill that accompanied his appointment as he was well placed to keep Manchester United's stability and traditions, old and more recent. As a Scot who was familiar with Sir Alex, he had the benefit of insights that a non-Scottish/British manager would not have had.

Had Moyes been more secure in himself as manager of one of the three biggest clubs in the world, he would have known better than the ill-conceived 'I'm not Sir Alex' manoeuvres. Despite the ending of the long reign of Sir Alex, United was stable and everything Moyes needed was laid out for him.

Thanks very much. I think Manchester United's future depends on holding on to its soul. Despite criticism from multiple sources that says otherwise since United became the huge brand it is from the 90s onwards,

David Moyes was the worst thing to happen to United post Sir Alex - not Louis VG. It was incredibly frustrating to see Moyes fail to build on the tremendous goodwill that accompanied his appointment as he was well placed to keep Manchester United's stability and traditions, old and more recent. As a Scot who was familiar with Sir Alex, he had the benefit of insights that a non-Scottish/British manager would not have had.

Had Moyes been more secure in himself as manager of one of the three biggest clubs in the world, he would have known better than the ill-conceived 'I'm not Sir Alex' manoeuvres. Despite the ending of the long reign of Sir Alex, United was stable and everything Moyes needed was laid out for him.

Yup spot on. Boy I hate agreeing with people. Moyes was his own worse enemy. Since Moyes under Woodward he's hired two risk averse managers whilst pep and Klopp have been available and made some utterly atrocious signings. When I think of the money wasted I shudder.

Yet if he has secured another money spinning noodle deal he gets excited. Terrible really. There is no soul left and message boards like this only seem to bring it home....plus I'm an old git who lived 20 minutes from the ground and had a season ticket in the 90s and 00s watching great 4411 footie...

 

[anver]

 

[2 man midfield]

If Mick Hucknall married Caitlyn Jenner...

 

[Siorac]

In fairness, that was Moyes mistake. Not Mourinho's.

Well played

 

[Smores]

Preparing for an aerial assault from Everton. They were playing route 1 balls all day long and it would have made sense to bring on a tall, physical player.

Mourinho was let down by Fellaini and it should be his last chance because he is trash.

This. We already had players on the pitch who could play it out but they were struggling with Everton throwing everything at us, nothing wrong with Jose throwing on someone to help us see it out.

Fellaini let us down with a clumsy mistake but it was also a soft penalty. Ideally Bailey would have come on instead and Jones pushed up.

 

[Drz]

Ah, the cross overdose day. I remember clearly - the number of crosses was 81.............

Moyes had every opportunity to succeed at United and showed he wasn't up to it. The football was absolutely horrendous, from players standing like statues to the other extreme of passing then running mindlessly away, Evertonians replacing respected United staff and doing jack to justify the usurpation, confusion, and the team looking like it had just appeared from the 3rd Division for the day in so many matches.

It was so bad that posters such as Pogue Mahone were starting threads wishing United would lose so Moyes would be on his way. And this United team were the current Champions at the time.

Both situations are frustrating. Where Moyes was unforgivable in my book was his man-management, he totally broke the confidence of each player in that squad, and got the leaders in the dressing room to flea.
Where I am worried is that with stringing on draws means we are a defeat away in the league from being stranded in mid-able, but worst than that will be the toll it takes on the confidence of the squad if top 4 becomes a pipe-dream this early in the season.
It is absolutly imperetive for our club to string a couple of wins together, before a real blip (defeat) happens.

 

[Camilo]

I can't believe this is still getting discussed!!

It was a stupid tackle from Fellaini - he's just had a bad moment. It wasn't guarenteed to happen the moment he came on, he's just not switched on..

You can't blame Mourinho for the substitution. You can blame him for trying to hang on for 20 minutes against bloody everton without any attempt to control the game, but not for the substitution, because it was probably the correct one.

 

[podurban2]

I can't believe this is still getting discussed!!

It was a stupid tackle from Fellaini - he's just had a bad moment. It wasn't guarenteed to happen the moment he came on, he's just not switched on..

You can't blame Mourinho for the substitution. You can blame him for trying to hang on for 20 minutes against bloody everton without any attempt to control the game, but not for the substitution, because it was probably the correct one.

Thing is Fellaini is useless, absolutely useless at defending. To bring him on and put him inside the own box is as stupid a decision you will get.

 

[Scholesy]

Thing is Fellaini is useless, absolutely useless at defending. To bring him on and put him inside the own box is as stupid a decision you will get.

Definitely, Mourinho said in his post match it was because Fellaini was 2 metres tall...embarrassing logic, bring on players who are actually defenders and not the tallest who are a accident waiting to happen when defending...another mistake by our "world class" manager!

 

[Red Dreams]

I felt Mata should have been brought on for Mikhi to keep the pressure on.
He made a mistake.

I'm over it.

But Fellani is one of those deadwoods who should be gone.

 

[Camilo]

Thing is Fellaini is useless, absolutely useless at defending. To bring him on and put him inside the own box is as stupid a decision you will get.

Ridiculous. He's strong in the air, and can be strong with the ball (at physically keeping players away from the ball), plus he's a half decent footballer - he's really not the donkey everyone makes him out to be.

Regardless, bringing on another defender (and then what, play a back 5 for the first time ever?!) would never happen. An extra body to disrupt, plus extra strength for last minute set pieces is what we needed, and it's usually what fellaini delivers.

It just went wrong, these things happen. The decision was still a good one, if Mourinho insists on hanging onto leads for half an hour. Of course, we shouldn't have that mindset in the first place - man united bringing on an extra defender against Everton?! That's what you want from your team?!

 

[SalfordRed1960]

We created a lot against Burnley and Stoke tbf so I dont' really see value in blaming him for those. I agree Lingard shouldn't start however, but yet again, we should have put West Ham and Everton away with the chances created and didn't. I think the problem is more our wider players, barring Mkhitaryan, aren't good enough. I don't think Martial is that great yet (he hasn't been consistent since the first half of last season), Lingard is a squad player who wouldn't even make the Arsenal Liverpool Chelsea or City bench and Depay is worse.

What we need is a wider player running at defenders consistently with a decent % of beating their man and interlinking play well. Only one of our 5 wingers is seemingly able to that consistently.

Not sure I agree with the "put Everton and West Ham to bed". In both games the second half was poor, not that the opponents created much, but we hardly did anything ourselves in the second half. Also against Stoke, where we had an enormous number of chances, it should not be lost that Stoke had some very good chances themselves from counter attacks.
At the moment when we attack, we do leave ourselves open to counter attack, something Fergie always exploited against Arsenal. Just a fact of life that we need to address. In addition when we sit back, we are poor, we are able to do a quick counter, but it often doesn't come to that as defensively we are all over the place and frequently make rash decisions which lead to opportunities for our opponents.

 

[Turnip]

I have to agree it's not the worst decision. I'm no Fellaini fan, but Jose was right with his prediction and one thing you expect Fellaini to do well is head balls away from your box. It's just a pity he's such a clumsy oaf too. At least he wasn't starting.

 

[iKeano]

I have to agree it's not the worst decision. I'm no Fellaini fan, but Jose was right with his prediction and one thing you expect Fellaini to do well is head balls away from your box. It's just a pity he's such a clumsy oaf too. At least he wasn't starting.

Based on what?! He's USELESS in the air for a tall lad.

That's like saying the one thing you'd expect Donald Trump to be is tolerant of immigrant refugees.

The fact that he's in the travelling squad today ahead of Schneiderlin infuriates me. Really struggling to find the logic in Jose's treatment of some players (Shaw, Mhiki, Smalling, Memphis, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger) and his free passes to that tall idiot.