Mourinho bringing on Fellaini to defend a lead

Ridiculous. He's strong in the air, and can be strong with the ball (at physically keeping players away from the ball), plus he's a half decent footballer - he's really not the donkey everyone makes him out to be.

Regardless, bringing on another defender (and then what, play a back 5 for the first time ever?!) would never happen. An extra body to disrupt, plus extra strength for last minute set pieces is what we needed, and it's usually what fellaini delivers.

It just went wrong, these things happen. The decision was still a good one, if Mourinho insists on hanging onto leads for half an hour. Of course, we shouldn't have that mindset in the first place - man united bringing on an extra defender against Everton?! That's what you want from your team?!
He is actually not very good in the air relative to his size. He is bad at everything you mention, yet we insist on bringing him on when we need a goal or when we want to defend a lead - two things which he has never helped us with. He is good at one thing: disrupting the other team's tempo through foul play and physicality equal to that of a buffalo.

The right way to go if you want to defend is at least being on someone who can defend and who can actually keep the ball in possession.
 
He is actually not very good in the air relative to his size. He is bad at everything you mention, yet we insist on bringing him on when we need a goal or when we want to defend a lead - two things which he has never helped us with. He is good at one thing: disrupting the other team's tempo through foul play and physicality equal to that of a buffalo.

The right way to go if you want to defend is at least being on someone who can defend and who can actually keep the ball in possession.
People believe he's great in the air due to his size but he doesnt win enough headers
 
Got this from a friend who got it from Squawka apparently:


Fouls - 216 (40 more than any United player)

Forward passing - 1327/2555 (51%)

Tackling - 116 in 4710 mins of PL - a tackle every 40.5 mins

Air duels - He's won only 57% of air duels attempted despite being 6'4".

Goal scoring - 7 in 3.5 seasons

Game completion - 26%

Discipline - 15 yellow

Win % - The final damning stat. Since 2015-16, United have won 34.4% games with Fellaini & 60.8% without him.


Even if we ignore the Win% stat, the other stats are damning enough
 
People believe he's great in the air due to his size but he doesnt win enough headers

He is good in the air, but not so much for headers, for his chesting down the ball, he gets in front of defenders and is tall enough to bring it down on his chest.

Defensively it's just hard to out jump or muscle him out of the way so he has value for that aswell.
 
He is good in the air, but not so much for headers, for his chesting down the ball, he gets in front of defenders and is tall enough to bring it down on his chest.

Defensively it's just hard to out jump or muscle him out of the way so he has value for that aswell.

That's like saying 'he is good at singing, just not so much for songs'! :wenger:
 
Apologies for the long rant but I couldn't help it

SAF’s last team was the weakest he ever had and reliant on the quality of his old guard. It could still win but it must be done by playing his way (the so called United way) with him and his people on the lead.

Moyes refused to be SAF’s puppet. He messed the whole system out by bringing in his men which include a 30m giant who was only good in a style of game that contrasts greatly to that of a top club (the so called Evertonisation of Manchester United). Moyes contribution lead to an exodus of the old guard who used to provide quality to the SAF’s side. Most of them were already old anyway.
LVG came to United with the thought that we didn’t know how to play football in the first place and that he’ll be the messiah who will bring football to Manchester United. His plan was simple. Make a clean sweep of what remained of all players from previous teams (those who remained were either too good like DDG or were tied with long contracts ex, Rooney, Young, Fellaini etc), and bring in players who match his philosophy most of whom part of his old guard (Bastian, Valdes, Depay, Blind). A small squad with the right philosophy is better than a bloated one with players who couldn’t play comprehends how ‘football’ is played, and let us face it, philosophy trumps anything this Neanderthal league can throw at him. Hence why LVG went for a small squad with its set of crappy defenders who couldn’t defend shite but could elegantly pass the ball (Mcfail, Rojo etc) and with some of the most boring football ever. Any dissidents were shown the door, including a player whom he brought in the first place and ended up his main assist man.

It turned out that LVG was wrong. The EPL is of a far higher quality then an ancient Bastian or some players who did well in Championship level football could handle. Also there was a reason why top quality managers, most of whom (unlike Dutch football) came from a football school who weren’t the Tottenham of international football (ie they actually won the world cup), had to adapt to bigger squads and a more direct and physical football. EPL football is tough and its breathtaking. There’s more than just 1 competitor so a top club’s campaign is more of a marathon then a sprint. Also most teams are happy to just sit deep and get a point from us.

Which lead us to our next manager a man who knows the EPL and who have good intentions but who is not completely immune of the arrogance previous managers had. Case in point is how he thought he could make a player out of the likes of Fellaini and Rojo + his stupidity in thinking he can keep Jones fit. That required divine intervention and last time I’ve checked Jose’s surname was Mourinho not de jesus dos santos. His commitment to keep Ibrahimovic for another years also show a slight tinge of nepotism which was common during SAF’s last years, LVG and Moyes.

So how do I assess this squad? Well it’s a mess. We’ve got wingers as full backs, fullbacks and midfielders as CBs, strikers and no 10s on the flanks and a washed up striker who wants to be in midfield because he simply can’t run anymore. Most of whom are on ridiculous salaries they won’t get anywhere else so expect them to cheat and sabotage anyone whose considering showing them the door. So no it is not a great side. It is barely a good one.

Speaking of washed up players its hilarious. If you had to take in consideration all the players we had playing for us in the past 4-5 years you’ll probably be able to build the best XI of the early 2000s. Valdes, Rio, Vidic, Bastian, Scholes, Giggs with Rooney and Ibra upfront. We’ve become the retiring home of players and when we don’t give them a silver service treatment (like for example putting somebody who spend most of last season following his wife playing tennis in the reserves or not allowing our binge drinker striker to play in midfield because he’s not a midfielder) hell comes loose, with tax evaders and former players/lousy managers/lousy coaches/lousy pundits pointing fingers at us for making their lives difficult rather than allowing these players to overstay in the same way we did with them. The funny thing (regarding the former) is that we’ve yet to see Bayern bidding for Bastian. Oh well they don’t like paying salaries to former players to ‘play’ football don’t they?

So no, we don’t have a good squad. This team lack quality, it lack spirit and it lack hunger.
I think you have covered our woes quite well there. With the high salaries these players are on to move them on will take some doing. Lets hope the club doesnt falsely think the likes of Rooney Fellaini Schweiny Carrick etc cant just run down their contracts so we will give them another 12 months contract to see if we can sell them idea.
 
Got this from a friend who got it from Squawka apparently:


Fouls - 216 (40 more than any United player)

Forward passing - 1327/2555 (51%)

Tackling - 116 in 4710 mins of PL - a tackle every 40.5 mins

Air duels - He's won only 57% of air duels attempted despite being 6'4".

Goal scoring - 7 in 3.5 seasons

Game completion - 26%

Discipline - 15 yellow

Win % - The final damning stat. Since 2015-16, United have won 34.4% games with Fellaini & 60.8% without him.


Even if we ignore the Win% stat, the other stats are damning enough
Don't think they are remotely damning. Your friend is a typical scapegoater who has done the easy thing, uncontexted stats tell his agenda
 
I think you have covered our woes quite well there. With the high salaries these players are on to move them on will take some doing. Lets hope the club doesnt falsely think the likes of Rooney Fellaini Schweiny Carrick etc cant just run down their contracts so we will give them another 12 months contract to see if we can sell them idea.

Considering rooney and carrick have played very well recently i'm not sure why you're lumping them in with fellaini and BS.
 
Don't think they are remotely damning. Your friend is a typical scapegoater who has done the easy thing, uncontexted stats tell his agenda

Agenda :D :lol::lol:

You don't need an agenda to see he's a rubbish player, who shouldn't be here. Although, you need an agenda to think he's not a rubbish player and should be here.

Are you OK? Because, I just fired a shot at you :D
 
He is good in the air, but not so much for headers, for his chesting down the ball, he gets in front of defenders and is tall enough to bring it down on his chest.

Defensively it's just hard to out jump or muscle him out of the way so he has value for that aswell.
Whatever that means, it certainly proves my earlier point
 
Got this from a friend who got it from Squawka apparently:


Fouls - 216 (40 more than any United player)

Forward passing - 1327/2555 (51%)

Tackling - 116 in 4710 mins of PL - a tackle every 40.5 mins

Air duels - He's won only 57% of air duels attempted despite being 6'4".

Goal scoring - 7 in 3.5 seasons

Game completion - 26%

Discipline - 15 yellow

Win % - The final damning stat. Since 2015-16, United have won 34.4% games with Fellaini & 60.8% without him.


Even if we ignore the Win% stat, the other stats are damning enough

Those stats are interesting. really highlight how poor he is.
 
Don't think they are remotely damning. Your friend is a typical scapegoater who has done the easy thing, uncontexted stats tell his agenda

I don't really see how those stats can be out of context. They are "as a whole" stats, therefore the context is "as a whole".
 
If we're all being honest, Fellaini isn't good enough for Man Utd or any side that aspires to be playing CL football on a regular basis. I'd much rather we invested in an intelligent, mobile midfielder and eventually sold both Fellaini and Schneiderlin.

The issue with Fellaini is that he isn't very good in his 'best' position (no.10) and he's even worse as a deep midfielder.

He's obviously no striker or defender as he doesn't have the composure to play at the back.

So what's he good for?
 
Considering rooney and carrick have played very well recently i'm not sure why you're lumping them in with fellaini and BS.

Rooney has had one alright game, one good game, and one god awful game in the last three. Doesn't really make up for being crap for years. Carrick though, is excellent to have around.
 
I don't really see how those stats can be out of context. They are "as a whole" stats, therefore the context is "as a whole".
Other side of the argument - nobody here knows anything about football and mourinho does and he picks fellaini. Realistically you could post all the stats from the geniuses at squawka you wanted and it wouldn't change the above
 
Agenda :D :lol::lol:

You don't need an agenda to see he's a rubbish player, who shouldn't be here. Although, you need an agenda to think he's not a rubbish player and should be here.

Are you OK? Because, I just fired a shot at you :D
You fired one at mourinho I think. Another genius that reckons he knows more than mourinho, don't know how people convince themselves of these things, but I guess self deception is why bookies make money
 
Other side of the argument - nobody here knows anything about football and mourinho does and he picks fellaini. Realistically you could post all the stats from the geniuses at squawka you wanted and it wouldn't change the above

He does indeed. I'll bet money that he'll be gone in the summer though with a replacement tall, strong, defensive midfield option brought in. One that isn't an ass hat.
 
Other side of the argument - nobody here knows anything about football and mourinho does and he picks fellaini. Realistically you could post all the stats from the geniuses at squawka you wanted and it wouldn't change the above
Oh ok. The old "Manager knows the best" argument. Well done!!!
Yet, it is ok to sit in a pub and shout "Shoot you feckin idiot" when you are watching a match, completely ignoring the fact that the guy is a professional footballer and knows much better than you when to shoot and when to pass.
 
Considering rooney and carrick have played very well recently i'm not sure why you're lumping them in with fellaini and BS.
Coming to the end of their contracts. We dont want to go down the route of giving them 1 year contracts when they are in decline, and we can get better options in
 
What about the remaining 4.8%? Is that when he's both playing and not playing at the same time? Schrodinger's Fellaini?

:lol:

I assume the discrepancy accounts for draws?
 
Says a lot about Osman who was inferior to Fellaini at Everton.

Says a lot about Everton that Fellaini was their key player.

Moyes :mad:

Everton's target was not to win the league. Their target was 4th-8th place and Fellaini fits that profile.
Unfortunately for us, Fellaini does not the fit the profile of a league title winner.
 
Dreadful player that offers nothing (besides fouls and slowing down our passing game) at any point of any game
 
Maru the belgian wanger
Was booed from the stalls
They never let poor maru
Hit others with his elbows

Then one foggy christmas eve
Jose came to say
Maru youre so tall and bright
Why dont you play in defense tonight?

Then the toffees fans loved him
As he gave a penalty
Maru the belgian wanger
The shittiest player in history
 
As poor as Fellaini has been I don't agree with booing your own players.
 
Bad idea, I don't think he is good enough to play for United. But I still don't think booing him is the right idea.