Get a grip. Again.
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100% agreeGreat thread. We definitely need to shit on our players even more.
Never realised anyone rated him.
Although I disagree, there are quite a few mentions of Carrick's immobility on the first couple of pages.Ahh @noodlehair, don't think folk blamed Carrick, though.
One of the best doesn't quite cut it for most people's definition of "World Class". Carrick was a good player, but I don't think he was ever truly in the reckoning of world's best midfielder. You'd walk into most top teams midfield if you were world class, Carrick wouldn't.
Our midfield was neglected for so long that it became a running joke that Fergie doesn't care about mids. Carrick was a missing piece sure, but people forget it was Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Vidic, VDS all turning up a level or two which took us to world's best. When they left or declined, Carrick really got exposed when we would play Europe's elite. A World Class mid holds its own even when their legs have gone, see Kroos and Modric as perfect example. Carrick got bullied a lot whenever we played physical teams, Chelsea are best example of this. Essien ran us over pretty much all by himself. Once Yaya Toure signed for City, we saw the same happen with them. Liverpool despite being much worse always gave us a tough fight because they had more energy in midfield. In Europe, it was a common theme too. See the matches vs Bayern or Barca from that period.
This is exactly why Michael Carrick fits the billing perfect for being "overrated ex-Utd player", because he is. People talk about him as an all conquering world class midfielder who helped us control games, but after Scholes tailed off we barely ever controlled games vs top sides. It was all about quick transitions into counter-attacks. Carrick looked a world beater to us because of how little quality we had in midfield, actual world class midfielders dominated him. And, it was not only them but mids from several rungs below also did the same if they were physical. Remember Moussa Dembele or Marouane Fellaini?
Carrick was probably born 10y early. He would be mint in today football.Although I disagree, there are quite a few mentions of Carrick's immobility on the first couple of pages.
Probably because we replaced him with Maguire. He wasn't world class but still better than all the dross that came after, until Licha.I mean, I liked him, he was a solid player who had some good seasons with us. Overall though, there's a cohort that wildly overrate the bloke.
Probably because we replaced him with Maguire. He wasn't world class but still better than all the dross that came after, until Licha.
To elaborate: to call players who were key players in our serial title winning teams overrated is ludicrous (e.g. Carrick, who was if anything extremely underrated due to his non-flashy style of play. Our understanding of football back then was very different to today's appreciation of positional play and line-breaking/press-breaking passes by DMs).I'm only 33, but either most of you are 20 and only started watching since fergie left or I need to get my memory checked. some truly wild takes in this thread.
Watch his hat-trick against Liverpool and then try againBerbatov wins this by some distance.
Do you realize that someone can be world-class and still be overrated?Unbeliavable thread, most overrated players in here are those who all of you would give your left nut to have in this team. Players who were great, did their job, won trophies. Yet, very few mentioned dancer and dabber Pogba, some wrote Herrea's name who is, for some reason loved by fans like he was God, is it because he made a move like he is spitting on City badge at Etihad? Bild a statue for him for it. Don't remember seing Sancho' name, or Rashford or majority of the team last 7,8 years. Have a feeling it is either very young people here or just fanbois.
What is next? Cantona was overrated? Keano? Rooney?
If there's one thing this fanbase is good at it's shitting on club legends. United fans complain about opposition fans downplaying us under Fergie but this fanbase is just as bad and contribute to the nonsense narratives I see about United. Some of you in this thread genuinely haven't got a clue.Great thread. We definitely need to shit on our players even more.
Completely agree with thisCarrick
Good player, overrated by United fans.
Ah so he just lucked his way to 13 league titles and multiple European cups then. Good to know.He wasn't.
He played 4-4-2 against Barca in 2011.
By the time I got to the bottom of the first page i realised people are just saying shit to get responded too.
I read Beckham, Scholes and Van Nistelrooy.
feck me.
Carrick was one of the best players in the world in his position for basically a decade. That's world class.
I think in that period Carrick was in the top 2 or 3 in his position
What’s that got to do with the overall argument that’s he’s overrated? He was obviously a class player. I don’t need to “try again” as I can actually remember.Watch his hat-trick against Liverpool and then try again
Ander Herrera - Good CM. When he was at the club the praise he used to get from the majority of fans though, bloody hell you'd think he was the next Bryan Robson or something. Good not Great.
Paul Pogba - He has a huge fanbase within the fanbase worldwide. Is still put up on a pedestal like he's world class, a legend of the game . He flopped at United, extremely talented but failed to find any consistency in his game. Playing well every now and then doesnt equate World Class for me.
Anthony Martial - Always world class to the Martial FC Crew.
Raphael Varane - He'd have an OK game and fans would be falling at his feet. "Rolls Royce of a defender" etc when he clearly wasn't anymore. Poor games (and there were a few) were always brushed over too.
Rafael - Good but a rash defender and got pulled out of position way too often for me. Another player talked up quite a bit.
Falcao. Don’t know whether he wore slippery boots but he used to slip all over the pitch for no particular reason. Also past it when he arrived but the Caf was in bizzare ecstasy after he signed
Who rates Sanchez at United?Alexis Sanchez. He was better at playing "glory glory Man. United" at the piano than playing football for us.
Seriously?!?Scholes. Not as good as Keane and not always trusted by Fergie. Fantastic player but the fact that he's been mentioned in the 'top 25 players since 2002' thread shows how his legend has grown.
For balance, I'm the same on Xabi Alonso for us....very overrated.