I just wonder if he's good enough on the ball to be LvG's first choice.
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I just wonder if he's good enough on the ball to be LvG's first choice.
Every time I have seen him play, he looked like exactly what we need...a CDM who can pass the ball around and is tough enough to both screen the back 4 as well as give our midfielders (Herrera and hopefully Gundogan) the freedom to create.
We have not had a proper CM/CDM in that mould since Keane left.
Herrera was clearly more highly rated than Schneiderlin and Fellaini was Moyes buy which made sense as no other was willing to pay that value.
That's the thing right there, if we are going for 2 CM's I agree, he fits a certain role we don't have a player for, but we need someone with him to do what Carrick does as he doesn't replace the on the ball aspect that we lose when Carrick is injured.
The point is once you pay it you set the precedent of what United will pay for a CM who is not truly in the top bracket. Selling clubs wont factor into account Moyes history with Fellaini and wont regard their CM as lesser than Herrera who isn't a senior international nor part of a team that won anything.
I assume that's why we are in for either Gundogan or Schweinsteiger...both are deep lying playmakers who are good on the defensive side...either can fill in for Carrick IMO.
In today's market, I'm not sure we could.
Regarding your Carrick reference, do you make the comparison because you feel they are at similar levels (at the point we signed Carrick) or because Schneiderlin is below the pre-United Carrick?
If it's because their levels are similar then, considering transfer fee inflation over the past 9 years, £24m would be comparatively less than what we paid for Carrick.
I hope you're right, personally I don't think either/or is enough if we are looking to mount a PL challenge next season.
I think Gundogan and Schneiderlin would be fantastic business by us, and we wouldn't have the break the bank for either of them as well.
For the price of Pogba we can get Depay, Gundogan and Schneiderlin!
Then we are stupid, one will stay with Bayern and the other will go either to Barca or stay with Dortmund. It is stupid to let them string us along. Just ask, are you joining us, if they cannot give a definite answer, sign Schneiderlin. We let players tease us too much. This is a great club, sign players who want to play for us, not the ones using us to get a better contract or to attract a Spanish club.
Modern Carrick will surely be worth more than 30m in todays market.
Schneiderlin however is not on the same level.
in that regard you are right, yes. Selling clubs should always aim higher when selling to United. Shaw last year is a good example.
Agreed, I think that would represent excellent business for us and leave us just needing one more forward addition and a CB.
Schneiderlin is better defensively but doesn't have the passing range of Carrick, he appears to have great composure on the ball as well.
If the two midfielders in front of him are Gundogan (or Bastian) and Herrera, his primary job would be a defensive one. His defensiveness would free them up to do their thing.
Herrera and Gundogan spraying balls out to ADM, Depay and Rooney would be magic!
In fairness, we don't know what's happening.
Many players have been / are currently involved with their international teams, player contracts tend to run until the end of June and the transfer window isn't open yet.
On top of all this, no one has made any moves yet. Actually, United have arguably done the most impressive bit of big business in securing Depay - funny how people are ready to criticise the club for missing out on targets, but very little credit is given for us beating PSG to a highly prized player.
It does matter though. You could buy a top forwaed for £25m in 2006.
He is an established very good midfielder, he is easily going to cost £24m.
I imagine LvG has set ideas of what he wants as I can't think of any manager who is quite so fussy when it comes to the various roles in the team. Schneiderlin may be a case of him having to accept that he's the best we can get and he doesn't want to give up on his preferred choices in June.
Sadly that is a reality for us, more so now than ever with the clubs love of letting it be known how much money we have, but in truth if you go back to Rooney and Rio we have always paid a premium.
I don't buy into that.
Sure, the presence of LVG, a coach Depay knows well, will have been a contributing factor, but I doubt very much that's the only thing that got the transfer over the line.
The fact is that PSG had stuck their oar in and the club had to move quickly to secure the deal. United have missed out on plenty of transfers in the past because we've been pissing around or snoozing. Credit where it's due, we sensed the danger and got the player before PSG were able to persuade him.
Which club has done better business than us so far?
Ferguson didn't overpay for players? Berbatov, Young, Bebe etc. Big clubs over pay for players, it is not peculiar to us.
With Gundogan it has been reported he wants Bayern or Barca, but they won't pay his wages. It worries me that we will, when if he was still world class, the other two would not worry about paying whatever wages he wants. I am not sure I want to be a players 3rd choice option. Yes they have been on international duty, I presume they are now on holiday, so is this going to drag on and on? We could do with 2 midfielders, get Schneiderlin signed and then concentrate on the other two, we won't get both. You have Matheus saying join United to Schweinsteiger, then Beckenbauer has come out and said he will struggle at United. This could go on for ages and then we get nobody and then we are in the shit.
For 'Hard man' you took out Memphis and replaced him with Young? Have you seen Memphis?!^This...
We could lineup so many different ways and basically dictate games however we wanted.
Want speed...
..........Schideiderlin.........
...Herrera......Gudugon.....
ADM.................Memphis
..............Wilson..............
Possession...
................Carrick. ...........
...Herrera.....Gundugon..
Mata................Memphis
............Rooney...............
Hard man...
............Scheiderlin......
...Herrera....Fellaini...
Mata...............Young
..........Rooney..........
Please get this done....
I'm not sure that Schneiderlin is on LvG radar at all. I don't think he's typical LvG signing at all. Kondogbia for example fits that criteria better as he's also capable of playing at numerous other positions and likely be cheaper option if the quoted offers from Milan are correct.
As for Schneiderlin I feel the same rumor as Cillesen - we need a DM and United's name is thrown up there with the others. He's strikes me as a more of a Spurs, Liverpool signing to me.
He's played in a team that's dominated us and he's looked comfortably good enough up against all the top opposition in this league. He's more than good enough on the ball.
How many proper holding CM's that actually have a clue about the defensive part of the game are very good on the ball these days? Alonso and Carrick types are a rarity now.
I'd much rather have him than Schweinsteiger. He spends most of his time on the treatment table. I don't want us gifting Bayern again either.
If he ends up here, watch how the opinions on him would change. The fact that he's playing for a PL minnow is seriously clouding lots of judgements here. I believe we are interested in him, but in typical United style, we'll keep messing around trying to sign big name players who are not willing to come to us.
Imagine a midfield of Schweinsteiger-Sneijder-Schneiderlin, you'll see more spelling mistakes than correct lineups.
Southampton are the 7th best team in the league. They aren't minnows.
How much have you seen of Kongogbia? The guy that couldn't get into Monaco team until Toulalan suffered an injury haha. This place at times. And what's an "LVG signing", don't even know what that means and I see it often here. Can you shed more light?
Minnows
He's probably the best CM we can get, at protecting his CB's - absolutely what we need.I'm confused. Do you rate him or not? Opinion wise, potentially signing Schneiderlin is overwhelmingly popular on the Caf.
You mean Wezlee Shnidar?
I rate him highly and don't understand the notion that he's not good on the ball or doesn't have a good passing range, mostly from people who watch him 2 times every season or on youtube.
He has played very well in those games I agree, but mostly from a defensive standpoint as opposed to his work on the ball. As I said to ravi, if we are looking to pair him with a playmaker then sure, but LvG might be wanting to try and get a 2 in 1 CM, which again I admit is likely going to be difficult.
I want Schmetterling!
I agree with you. Passing range isn't all that important anyway (not to the extent some on here think it is).Every midfielder can play the big ball out wide, it's about using that tactic sensibly. Schneiderlin is very effective at advancing the ball towards the players ahead of him. He's no Pirlo, but his passing is fine.
Very true, some people think if you're not pinging it about like Scholes or Carrick then your passing range isn't good enough etc. He's a DM who breaks up play, is technically accomplished, can play out confidently, he's consistently good and doesn't get injured every now and then, that's good enough for me.
He can fill multiple positions - left back, defence and midfield (a bit like Blind). Young, strong, good on the ball with good passing abilities, will cost less and is younger than Schneiderlin.
Where have you been the last 9 years?
No one tell him we only paid those fees for Herrera and Fellaini, as they were the buy out clauses for both
. £24m for Schneiderlin is a great price imo.
I think at £24m its great business. Id still go get Schweinsteiger for £10m if he was available. I cant remember the last time we had genuine competition for places throughout the side.
The last few years players have secured a place in the starting eleven because they are the least shittest not because they are in stunning form.
De Gea aside and RVP 3 seasons back, have we had anybody in any kind of form???
The last few years players have secured a place in the starting eleven because they are the least shittest not because they are in stunning form.
De Gea aside and RVP 3 seasons back, have we had anybody in any kind of form???
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