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A lot of people are getting confused about the best positions of the CM's we are linked with. Am I not right in saying Schneiderlinn would not be a Carrick replacement as he is a #8?
 
Silverman said:
A lot of people are getting confused about the best positions of the CM's we are linked with. Am I not right in saying Schneiderlinn would not be a Carrick replacement as he is a #8?
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He can play both, which is ideal as he can then play with Carrick or as his replacement.
 
Raees said:
For me any player that is not playing at a top club represents a risk of some sort regardless of the club they're operating at.

Di Maria has failed not because he was in a La Liga side, but because tactically he doesn't quite fit here. On paper, he is a very premiership type of player.. not very big in terms of keeping the ball, very box to box in terms of style and super direct.

Berbatov was prem proven and a disaster. Torres, prem proven and a disaster at Chelsea.

Veron was simply slow as feck and would have struggled no matter what, if we had signed Nedved that same season he would have become one of the biggest legends this club has ever had because he was the type of player that would have fit this club like a glove and as for Falcao/shevchenko both were past their peak and shot, by the time they came to the Premiership.

Prem proven is a myth, if Schneiderlin is a success here it is because he is a damn good player not because he was proven in the premier league first.
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Berbatov a disaster? Bye bye credibility. Premier league top scorer for us one season wasn't he?
 
Ekeke said:
He did a great job before they signed Wanyama
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In the 2012/13 season ? He wasn't as good as he has been last 2 seasons.

Anyway, also they were using Cork for many games.

He can play that role but he is at best when his workrate and ability to be the box to box midfielder is utilized. Playing him as a 6 would constrain him and test his defensive discipline and passing ability.
 
FromTheBench said:
In the 2012/13 season ? He wasn't as good as he has been last 2 seasons.

Anyway, also they were using Cork for many games.

He can play that role but he is at best when his workrate and ability to be the box to box midfielder is utilized. Playing him as a 6 would constrain him and test his defensive discipline and passing ability.
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He was their best player nonetheless. Southampton have improved since then, so it's not really surprising that he's looking better at this moment in time. Furthemore it's only natural that he keeps improving. Carrick was in his first season for us at a similar age.
 
FromTheBench said:
In the 2012/13 season ? He wasn't as good as he has been last 2 seasons.

Anyway, also they were using Cork for many games.

He can play that role but he is at best when his workrate and ability to be the box to box midfielder is utilized. Playing him as a 6 would constrain him and test his defensive discipline and passing ability.
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Yeah he works hard defensively but, he is not really a holding midfielder. Southampton have always used him as a box to box guy.
 
FromTheBench said:
In the 2012/13 season ? He wasn't as good as he has been last 2 seasons.

Anyway, also they were using Cork for many games.

He can play that role but he is at best when his workrate and ability to be the box to box midfielder is utilized. Playing him as a 6 would constrain him and test his defensive discipline and passing ability.
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Natural progression. And his teammates have become a lot better. Schneiderlin is now playing the role Cork was playing then

His defensive discipline is great and his passing is very good. Even in every big match this season as the left of a midfield 3 he's done a great jod displaying his defensive discipline - he's been the rock
 
FromTheBench said:
In the 2012/13 season ? He wasn't as good as he has been last 2 seasons.

Anyway, also they were using Cork for many games.

He can play that role but he is at best when his workrate and ability to be the box to box midfielder is utilized. Playing him as a 6 would constrain him and test his defensive discipline and passing ability.
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His defensive discipline is great and his passing is more than good enough for a DM role. He's not Carrick but there are DMs out there with a lot more limited passing ability than him.
 
I don't see why he's being touted as a #6. He near enough always plays with someone behind him. He's a box to box midfielder.
 
Bwuk said:
I don't see why he's being touted as a #6. He near enough always plays with someone behind him. He's a box to box midfielder.
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He does both tbh, infact he more #6 than he is box to box. Southampton usually play with 2 holding players in the middle
 
Cassidy said:
He does both tbh, infact he more #6 than he is box to box. Southampton usually play with 2 holding players in the middle
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Even when in a midfield 3 this season, he's the one who has stood out doing his defensive job in the big matches against us, Chelsea and so on.

Its a bit crazy that people are questioning his defensive abilities if they have seen his performances against us this season. Yes he was on the left of a 3 man midfield, no we couldnt get past him
 
Bwuk said:
I don't see why he's being touted as a #6. He near enough always plays with someone behind him. He's a box to box midfielder.
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No he hasn't, they moved him forward after he was their best player as a DM because he can play a bit further forward with his passing and get a few goals. This was to accomodate other players.

He's more solid than Carrick for sure
 
Ekeke said:
No he hasn't, they moved him forward after he was their best player as a DM because he can play a bit further forward with his passing and get a few goals. This was to accomodate other players.

He's more solid than Carrick for sure
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That would make an ideal defensive minded box to box guy
 
Make him the next signing Woody. Closest player to someone like Matic.
 
be it Blind or Carrick they wouldn't have a chance in that sprint maybe Carrick would stand on his feet till the very end forcing Welbeck to stumble, but I prefer positive strong defending, Matic-like player is what can bring us to another level IMO..
 
Frustrating that we're not even linked with him when he'd be absolutely perfect for us in terms of bringing balance to our midfield. That being said we seem to be pretty good at keeping transfers on the down low recently. Fingers crossed.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Yeah he works hard defensively but, he is not really a holding midfielder. Southampton have always used him as a box to box guy.
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DarkXaero said:
His defensive discipline is great and his passing is more than good enough for a DM role. He's not Carrick but there are DMs out there with a lot more limited passing ability than him.
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Ekeke said:
No he hasn't, they moved him forward after he was their best player as a DM because he can play a bit further forward with his passing and get a few goals. This was to accomodate other players.

He's more solid than Carrick for sure
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Ekeke said:
Even when in a midfield 3 this season, he's the one who has stood out doing his defensive job in the big matches against us, Chelsea and so on.

Its a bit crazy that people are questioning his defensive abilities if they have seen his performances against us this season. Yes he was on the left of a 3 man midfield, no we couldnt get past him
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To put it this way, i see him similar to Fletcher at his best than Carrick. Can play #6 Sitting back and good passer but at his best box to box harrying, chasing players and contributing in attack in between a AM and DM.
 
He's the type who I think Jose loves to have. I can see him standing in front of the queue to buy him
 
FromTheBench said:
To put it this way, i see him similar to Fletcher at his best than Carrick. Can play #6 Sitting back and good passer but at his best box to box harrying, chasing players and contributing in attack in between a AM and DM.
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Because you didnt see him play DM before 18 months ago. He does twice the defensive work Fletcher ever did. He does more than Carrick ever did

Its just you can play him further forward and he's a fairly good passer for a team like Southampton - without quite the range of someone like Carrick. Thats where the real question would be, not his defending. His distribution isnt on the same level and so there would probably still be times when we can use Carrick instead.
 
nokillingmoths said:
Berbatov a disaster? Bye bye credibility. Premier league top scorer for us one season wasn't he?
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Berbatov was a disaster.

For the price we paid he was completely underwhelming, even in the season where he was top scorer. The goals figure is bloated by scoring 5 against Blackburn for example, he didn't score in that many games overall (played 42 and scored in 12) and wasn't even trusted in the CL final at the end of the year.

His first two years he was about as average as you can get.
 
Schneiderlin would be the perfect signing for our midfield. He will add a lot of fight which we lack in there. Herrera added a lot of that and Sneijderlin would even add more but the Wenger link really concerns me.
 
Ekeke said:
Its just you can play him further forward
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so why not? It's not easy to find a pure natural B2B today, so players who are versatile enough should definitely be utilized. I certainly find playing him as a defensive minded B2B plausible. Vidal underwent the same transformation
 
darioterios said:
so why not? It's not easy to find a pure natural B2B today, so players who are versatile enough should definitely be utilized. I certainly find playing him as a defensive minded B2B plausible. Vidal underwent the same transformation
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Simply because you can have players like Ander who are more suited to attacking while still pressing high and winning the ball often.

We don't have a need for a more defensive minded box to box player, we just need 1 player holding like we've done with Carrick, Ander and Fellaini

If that DM is Schneiderlin we could even put Di Maria back in as a CM and get away with him not being bothered about defending. We dont have to, but its an option thats more likely to see Di Maria come good.

When Vidal was moved forward he was scoring lots of goals, Schneiderlin just isnt the same sort of player. His defending will always be his high point. Its just like if you moved Matic further forward he wouldnt become Vidal either

Now if the idea was to have Blind take over from Carrick, I think Schneiderlin to the left of him would be a great idea to give the strength and help defensively. Its just in recent times everyone seems to be rejecting the idea that Blind is going to be that DM
 
Would Koeman actually sell to us? Schneiderlin is the only player he held out on keeping after the mass exodus of Liverhampton and Luke Shaw, would he really go through all that trouble to strengthen LVG?
 
Bwuk said:
I don't see why he's being touted as a #6. He near enough always plays with someone behind him. He's a box to box midfielder.
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He's not a sitting midfielder, sure, but he's shown he can play that way. Perhaps not this season for Southampton but he played well there in his debut for France in the World Cup.

 
I hope we sign him, he is the physical yet cultured midfielder we need. He could easily sit next to Ander in midfield when Carrick is fit, but then also replace Carrick for certain games. I like the energy he brings without looking like a headless chicken.
 
He's quite deceptive in that he has quite a bit of spring/bounce to his movement. You could be forgiven for assuming that he was a bit of a flat-footed trudger.
 
Kill 'em all said:
Why? Because the media isn't linking us with him?
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I suppose it seems silly, but name a player other than Falcao, who clearly was not in our inital plans, that the media hadnt linked us in some respect? They do usually get it right, as they link everyone under the sun.

That, his age, nationality, i dont see how he wont end up at Arsenal.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Would Koeman actually sell to us? Schneiderlin is the only player he held out on keeping after the mass exodus of Liverhampton and Luke Shaw, would he really go through all that trouble to strengthen LVG?
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If they are willing to let him go, they won't block a move to United specifically. Eventually you have to let a player move up.
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
I suppose it seems silly, but name a player other than Falcao, who clearly was not in our inital plans, that the media hadnt linked us in some respect? They do usually get it right, as they link everyone under the sun.

That, his age, nationality, i dont see how he wont end up at Arsenal.
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Mata, Blind? I'm not quite sure though.
 
matherto said:
Berbatov was a disaster.

For the price we paid he was completely underwhelming, even in the season where he was top scorer. The goals figure is bloated by scoring 5 against Blackburn for example, he didn't score in that many games overall (played 42 and scored in 12) and wasn't even trusted in the CL final at the end of the year.

His first two years he was about as average as you can get.
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Was going to bring up this exact point. He scored 11 goals in 3 games (5 v Blackburn, 3 v Liverpool and 3 v Birmingham) which means he scored 10 goals in the rest of the season. 10 goals in 29 appearances (had to check Wiki for that one).

I loved the guy, the style, everything about him. He is so cool. But he wasn't great for us. It just didn't work and it was probably doomed from the start. He didn't fit the style Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez had almost perfected the season before. The fact we sold him for £3/4m to Fulham kind of justifies the path his career took at that point. Happy to see him back in the CL this year. Still think Juve should have been in for him when he left us. Would've been perfect imo.

Sorry to take the thread off topic.
 
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