Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.

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Orc said:
Fabregas has actually been significantly better when deployed deeper than he has as our #10.
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It can be similar to a Herrera situation where his starting position is deeper but he's allowed more freedom because of those behind him. Less focus on him 'doing a job'.

I prefer him deeper too admittedly, as it allows him to dictate the game which he's more than capable of doing. But Chelsea should dictate and dominate most games anyway, so for the good of the team rather than Cesc as an individual I think this makes sense. Won't be long before we find out who Schneiderlin is likely to go to though I'm sure.
 
Locka said:
It can be similar to a Herrera situation where his starting position is deeper but he's allowed more freedom because of those behind him. Less focus on him 'doing a job'.

I prefer him deeper too admittedly, as it allows him to dictate the game which he's more than capable of doing. But Chelsea should dictate and dominate most games anyway, so for the good of the team rather than Cesc as an individual I think this makes sense. Won't be long before we find out who Schneiderlin is likely to go to though I'm sure.
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Spot on.

My money is on either Spurs or Arsenal. Teams that he'd be in every single match. He wouldn't be at either Chelsea or United.
 
I reckon both us and Chelsea would play him every week. But yeah, agree to disagree.
 
Would suit Arsenal really well, himself and Coq can rotate. Hate to admit it but we could do with him too.
 
I think he has all the attributes to do well for us. Given a choice, I'm sure he'll prefer to come to OT than sign for Spurs.
 
Wouldn't be suprised to see him line up for Chelsea next season
 
theyneverlearn said:
Carrick? Who has been a main stay in our midfield during the most successful period of the club? Scheneiderlin is good, but he's not at Carrick's level.
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Carrick's god here I know..:rolleyes:

Schneiderlin, Matic are the best defensive midfielders in the league currently, maybe Coquelin in terms of tackles. and that's what I think matters.. We need that kind of tough guy shielding the back four. We are very week on counters and neither Carrick or Blind can help it wih their immobility and lack of pace. I don't really want brainless tackler like De Jong but Schneiderlin for instance is good enough to pass the ball and ping it around while being fantastic tackler. We are creative enough but need to get our at times shaky defensive play get sorted.

We will soon find out which player Van Gaal want to play there as no6 and who will he find as replacement for Carrick but Schneiderlin would make us better team instantly *rock solid* I am not getting carricked away by the recent performances like some people here. Just because we found great motivation and eventually got back to the system we know how to play...

Blind was quite unlucky to be played in midfield after injury and after the team doesn't seem to show up in the same form like before. It was awaited.
If you asked me by far the most influential player was Herrera
 
I hope he doesn't go to Arsenal, him anchoring their midfield and a decent GK and they could easily step up 2 notches in results over the course of a season.
 
He would be a massive signing for us, a little under the radar type player. Look at the impact Javi Martinez had when he went to Bayern, I believe Schniederlin could do a similar job for us.
 
SonnyTheHaloPro said:
He would be a massive signing for us, a little under the radar type player. Look at the impact Javi Martinez had when he went to Bayern, I believe Schniederlin could do a similar job for us.
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He'd really be a fantastic signing for any of the big clubs in this league.

I think you guys will go after a bigger "name" like Gündogan.
 
Available and would be an excellent buy. Wouldn't be surprised if one of our rivals has a deal sown up for him already though.
 
How is Sneijderlin's injury? Is he out for long or is it just a light injury?
 
Kill 'em all said:
How is Sneijderlin's injury? Is he out for long or is it just a light injury?
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He has apparently not given up hope on playing again this season (though im not sure he or Southampton would risk more than a cameo at the end of the last game for him to say bye to the fans)
He has put in a great season considering he made it clear he wanted to go last year.
Arsenal seem to be favourites but he would be a good addition for any of the top premiership sides
 
sun_tzu said:
He has apparently not given up hope on playing again this season (though im not sure he or Southampton would risk more than a cameo at the end of the last game for him to say bye to the fans)
He has put in a great season considering he made it clear he wanted to go last year.
Arsenal seem to be favourites but he would be a good addition for any of the top premiership sides
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I guess so, the French connection will really help Wenger.
 
Kill 'em all said:
I guess so, the French connection will really help Wenger.
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Perhaps spurs to link up with his old manager is another good option but given the young midfielders spurs have plus dele alli joining they might decide they don't need him?
Would certainly make that arsenal midfield look a lot better balanced if he was alongside ramsey in the middle of the park
 
He'll go to Chelsea/Arsenal, be fantastic, and we'll all be left scratching our head wondering why we didn't go for him.
 
sun_tzu said:
Perhaps spurs to link up with his old manager is another good option but given the young midfielders spurs have plus dele alli joining they might decide they don't need him?
Would certainly make that arsenal midfield look a lot better balanced if he was alongside ramsey in the middle of the park
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He's miles better than anything Spurs have in midfield. And he'd probably put Ramsey out of Arsenal's best XI. Paired with Cocquelin, that would be a very nice midfield.

As a Chelsea fan, if he doesn't come to us I hope he goes to Spurs. They won't be a threat with or without Schneiderlin.
 
Think he would be a great buy.Not one of the more exciting signing,but a signing that I think would bring great balance to our team.

It's those sort of players like Carrick and Matic that win league titles for a team, especially in the Prem.
 
Danny Boi said:
Think he would be a great buy.Not one of the more exciting signing,but a signing that I think would bring great balance to our team.

It's those sort of players like Carrick and Matic that win league titles for a team, especially in the Prem.
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Every time i see him play; what really strikes me that he is a player who has the qualities that would bring balance to our team and let midfielders like gundogan and herrera really shine...not to mention how well he shields defenders.

I hope we are in for him.
 
m1y2 said:
Carrick's god here I know..:rolleyes:

Schneiderlin, Matic are the best defensive midfielders in the league currently, maybe Coquelin in terms of tackles. and that's what I think matters.. We need that kind of tough guy shielding the back four. We are very week on counters and neither Carrick or Blind can help it wih their immobility and lack of pace. I don't really want brainless tackler like De Jong but Schneiderlin for instance is good enough to pass the ball and ping it around while being fantastic tackler. We are creative enough but need to get our at times shaky defensive play get sorted.
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With Carrick at the base of our midfield we've conceded 10 goals in 14 league games, without him we've conceded 24 goals in 20 games...and yet somehow you've come to the conclusion Carrick's not doing his job defensively simply because he's not a tough guy. Good stuff. Our defensive record with Carrick in the team is more or less on the same level as Chelsea's with Matic (27 goals in 32 league games), our only problem is him not being fit enough to play as often as needed.
 
m1y2 said:
Carrick's god here I know..:rolleyes:

Schneiderlin, Matic are the best defensive midfielders in the league currently, maybe Coquelin in terms of tackles. and that's what I think matters.. We need that kind of tough guy shielding the back four. We are very week on counters and neither Carrick or Blind can help it wih their immobility and lack of pace. I don't really want brainless tackler like De Jong but Schneiderlin for instance is good enough to pass the ball and ping it around while being fantastic tackler. We are creative enough but need to get our at times shaky defensive play get sorted.

We will soon find out which player Van Gaal want to play there as no6 and who will he find as replacement for Carrick but Schneiderlin would make us better team instantly *rock solid* I am not getting carricked away by the recent performances like some people here. Just because .we found great motivation and eventually got back to the system we know how to play...

Blind was quite unlucky to be played in midfield after injury and after the team doesn't seem to show up in the same form like before. It was awaited.
If you asked me by far the most influential player was Herrera
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I completely agree with @Brwned here and I think you'd find that the majority of fans both United and opposition appreciate the defensive work Carrick puts in - its just a different still to the tough guy.

I went to dig out a previous quote I made on here when defending Carrick's defensive work in comparison to others, found it and realised it was actually in reply to you! Not sure what more you need to see from this season to see how important Carrick is, our record without him is dreadful.

m1y2 said:
I love how overrated he is here. He can do the job, his best skill is to stay consistent and that he doesn't do mistakes. He has an eye for the pass and great range of passing but he lacks any mobility to his game, he is an old school player, players at the very top level should be demanded to play the ball while moving.. yes he can read the game well but is not quite strong in tackling and players with pace can get quite comfortably past him, very experienced but very slow player. Such a shame Fletcher got his illness I would take him over Carrick all day long, we lack this hardworking never ending tackling player all over the pitch working his socks off with bags of stamina actually able to press! Herrera is one to watch to play that role but he is better suited to play little bit further. We need to replace Carrick as soon as possible. Blind is only temporary solution as we should aspire to get better players with higher ceiling. Right now we have two decent players who can do the job.. in Carrick and Blind who is younger and can actually run eventhou he is very slow as well but after acquiring two world class players in Angel diMaria and Herrera(arguably) we should try to snatch some payer of the same level to paly the DLP role or more defensive player, I wouldn!t even mind defensive specialist as we have plenty of creativity further the pitch, someone who could provide the real steel to defense. Blind/Carrick are far away from being those guys, I know they are different but still our defense is very shaky due to massive aount of injuries and different line-ups so player of that mould would be pretty much appreciated. I don't know de Jong, Wanyama comes to my mind. that type of player maybe better quality but I am not aware of any available players of that sort. If not getting that kind of player simply buy the better quality Kroos - Modric. They are not what I was suggesting but real do it like that, they couldn't find any defensive specializst but they have two world class playmakers who could do some defending.. Yes I am waiting for some comments which suggest tak Blind is our Modric and Carrick is our Kroos..
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DanNistelrooy said:
I have had this argument so many times (most when comparing the likes of Scott Parker to Carrick - yes I know!) and it is the classic "Parker gets his shorts dirty, gets stuck in" argument, which is just incredibly flawed. The fundamental difference in Carrick's game is the he doesn't need to run around like a headless chicken because his positioning is that good. I'm surprised we still have these debates/criticisms of Carrick, especially after Gary Neville has highlighted this quality time and time again during his punditry.


Thought I would back up my argument with a video of each style. Zoom to 5.00 in this clip - its a video of Scholes' 2nd at Newcastle in 2007, you will see Parker showing his "hard working never ending tackling all over the pitch" as you would put it. But the thing to note is if he had Parker been more clever in his positioning, he would easily had been able to stop Scholes from shooting.


Compare that style to Carrick's below, I won't explain as Neville does it perfectly.
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He really is the one signing I want this summer over all others being mentioned so far, if we get him he will be our Anakin and truly bring balance to the force :)
 
It makes too much sense for Schneiderlin to join us. Will never happen
 
I think Schneiderlin's a very good player but he's no Carrick replacement. He'd play Herrera's role in a more defensive way or slot into the midfield in place of Fellaini with Herrera pushing forward, but he wouldn't play at the base of the midfield (injuries permitting). He's not a good enough passer for that. He'd be an asset and fit into our system very well with his aggressive pressing and reading of the game but it'd have to be from one of the two advanced midfield positions, because the midfielder at the base is our the one who orchestrates all of our play. This is something Schneiderlin just doesn't do - it's not part of his job description at Southampton.

I'm just going to quote Mozza here about the key thing that both Keane and Carrick did and the thing we need to replace first and foremost...

Mozza said:
Keanes passing ability was more important to us winning games then his tackiling, thats why Carrick with his less aggresive style replaced him succesfully
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Mozza said:
Keano did more then pick the right pass. His range was not long but he could hit penetrative passes, Fletcher can't, it's the crucial difference between a player that can and can't pass.
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Mozza said:
NO! Keane game was built on his passing, the snarling, tacking and running around were nothing to the passing, that's why I went nuts for Carrick when the discussions were going on regarding a replacement.
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Mozza said:
I did, that is why I identified his passing as the most important thing to replace and not his running, most people couldn't see beyond the latter.
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Brwned said:
I think Schneiderlin's a very good player but he's no Carrick replacement. He'd play Herrera's role in a more defensive way or slot into the midfield in place of Fellaini with Herrera pushing forward, but he wouldn't play at the base of the midfield (injuries permitting). He's not a good enough passer for that. He'd be an asset and fit into our system very well with his aggressive pressing and reading of the game but it'd have to be from one of the two advanced midfield positions, because the midfielder at the base is our the one who orchestrates all of our play. This is something Schneiderlin just doesn't do - it's not part of his job description at Southampton.

I'm just going to quote Mozza here about the key thing that both Keane and Carrick did and the thing we need to replace first and foremost...
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Marco Verratti can pass. He's a snarling little so-and-so too.
 
Brwned said:
I think Schneiderlin's a very good player but he's no Carrick replacement. He'd play Herrera's role in a more defensive way or slot into the midfield in place of Fellaini with Herrera pushing forward, but he wouldn't play at the base of the midfield (injuries permitting). He's not a good enough passer for that. He'd be an asset and fit into our system very well with his aggressive pressing and reading of the game but it'd have to be from one of the two advanced midfield positions, because the midfielder at the base is our the one who orchestrates all of our play. This is something Schneiderlin just doesn't do - it's not part of his job description at Southampton.

I'm just going to quote Mozza here about the key thing that both Keane and Carrick did and the thing we need to replace first and foremost...
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Who do you think can then replace him? I cannot see one, but then my football viewing outside the league is very limited.

As for Schneiderlin, I don't think he would be a like for like replacement for Carrick. If get a player like him for the DM role then we can partner him with a passer, like Chelsea do with Fabregas, to control the game and set the pace from the deep.

DWelbz19 said:
Marco Verratti can pass. He's a snarling little so-and-so too.
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Love to get him. He would be my number one choice before Pogba or anyone.
 
Insanity said:
Who do you think can then replace him? I cannot see one, but then my football viewing outside the league is very limited.

As for Schneiderlin, I don't think he would be a like for like replacement for Carrick. If get a player like him for the DM role then we can partner him with a passer, like Chelsea do with Fabregas, to control the game and set the pace from the deep.



Love to get him. He would be my number one choice before Pogba or anyone.
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Verrati'd be #1 for me too but I can't see that happening. I think we could bring in Xhaka for that side of things alongside Schneiderlin and alongside Herrera we'd have three really strong all-rounders, and all three of them can play in each others' position to some extent.
 
Brwned said:
I think Schneiderlin's a very good player but he's no Carrick replacement. He'd play Herrera's role in a more defensive way or slot into the midfield in place of Fellaini with Herrera pushing forward, but he wouldn't play at the base of the midfield (injuries permitting). He's not a good enough passer for that. He'd be an asset and fit into our system very well with his aggressive pressing and reading of the game but it'd have to be from one of the two advanced midfield positions, because the midfielder at the base is our the one who orchestrates all of our play. This is something Schneiderlin just doesn't do - it's not part of his job description at Southampton.

I'm just going to quote Mozza here about the key thing that both Keane and Carrick did and the thing we need to replace first and foremost...
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Schniederlin is every bit as good a passer as keane, if not better.
 
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