Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.

[bucky]

30m is a bit much.

I've asked this before in this thread, for the same amount of money, who's available? And further, who's available and is actually better than Schneiderlin regardless of the price?

 

[pseudo_canadian]

I've asked this before in this thread, for the same amount of money, who's available? And further, who's available and is actually better than Schneiderlin regardless of the price?

This is also the point I'm trying to get at.

We simply do not have the luxury to go looking for an alternative as good as Schneirderlin, because there are simply none available. That's that.

 

[Sam]

We paid £28/29 million for Fellaini Herrera....So £30 million for Schneiderlin is hardly ridiculous.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If Southampton demand £25M plus then we should pull out of the deal.

If he was worth 10 million then yeah. But a few million here and there is irrelevant.

 

[Sam]

Southampton also got £25 million for Lallana, and he's half the player that Morgan is.

 

[Sied]

I've asked this before in this thread, for the same amount of money, who's available? And further, who's available and is actually better than Schneiderlin regardless of the price?

Schweinsteiger is/was the alternative by the sounds of things.

 

[Devil may care]

This one is getting frustrating since it appears we have a clear run at him and for roughly the same price we paid for Fellaini and Herrera.

 

[pseudo_canadian]

Southampton also got £25 million for Lallana, and he's half the player that Morgan is.

Precisely.

 

[Crackers]

Chop chop woody.

 

[united_99]

I can already see posts incoming once we get him / fail to get him:

* all Woody did was pay the price Southampton wanted, no credit to Woody again

* useless Woody, failed to land a very good midfielder because he refused to pay Southampton's asking price

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We paid £28/29 million for Fellaini Herrera....So £30 million for Schneiderlin is hardly ridiculous.

Fellaini obviously can't be the standard. It was terrible value for money.

 

[diarm]

Schneiderlin was the best midfielder on the park in matches against City, United and Chelsea last season. He's a fixture in the French national side and is only 25 years old. If his name was Morgani Schneidondo and he played for Sporting Lisbon people would be begging for us to spend 50million on him.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I can already see posts incoming once we get him / fail to get him:

* all Woody did was pay the price Southampton wanted, no credit to Woody again

* useless Woody, failed to land a very good midfielder because he refused to pay Southampton's asking price

Why would he get credit for buying schniederlin for 25 to 30 million? I imagine that's the ceiling for a player like him.

If the player turns out even more valuable them lvg deserves credit for being able to see that I guess but buying a player what is the expected price isn't some achievement for a CEO unless maybe we beat stiff competition.

 

[bucky]

Schweinsteiger is/was the alternative by the sounds of things.

He'd be good, but as our only midfield signing he'd be underwhelming. Schneiderlin makes more sense IMO. Both would obviously make even more sense.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Schneiderlin was the best midfielder on the park in matches against City, United and Chelsea last season. He's a fixture in the French national side and is only 25 years old. If his name was Morgani Schneidondo and he played for Sporting Lisbon people would be begging for us to spend 50million on him.

Yeah people would want us to spend 50 million on a defence minded midfielder. Makes sense.

 

[Kakeru]

I can already see posts incoming once we get him / fail to get him:

* all Woody did was pay the price Southampton wanted, no credit to Woody again

* useless Woody, failed to land a very good midfielder because he refused to pay Southampton's asking price

What do you expect when we have a history of chief executives who acted like tight cnuts over a few million pounds on certain players since Peter Kenyon messed up the Ronaldinho deal?

 

[ravelston]

This is also the point I'm trying to get at.

We simply do not have the luxury to go looking for an alternative as good as Schneirderlin, because there are simply none available. That's that.

Surely the most likely alternative to Schneiderlin is Kramer, although whether he is available is another matter (I would hope that we've at least made inquiries). Schweinsteiger would only make sense if we believe that, say, Pereira was going to be able to step up in a couple of years.

 

[united_99]

Why would he get credit for buying schniederlin for 25 to 30 million? I imagine that's the ceiling for a player like him.

If the player turns out even more valuable them lvg deserves credit for being able to see that I guess but buying a player what is the expected price isn't some achievement for a CEO unless maybe we beat stiff competition.

Well he gets a lot of stick here for basically paying the asking price even when it's clear that the selling club wouldn't sell otherwise.
He or Moyes deserve stick for Fellaini as they managed to pas more than the release clause, but not for Schneiderlin or Herrera.

 

[Bwuk]

Schneiderlin was the best midfielder on the park in matches against City, United and Chelsea last season. He's a fixture in the French national side and is only 25 years old. If his name was Morgani Schneidondo and he played for Sporting Lisbon people would be begging for us to spend 50million on him.

I'd be against it if that was his name - what a ridiculous name.

 

[Freak]

Are we signing him or not? This is just dragging on and on.

 

[Sarni]

Schneiderlin was the best midfielder on the park in matches against City, United and Chelsea last season. He's a fixture in the French national side and is only 25 years old. If his name was Morgani Schneidondo and he played for Sporting Lisbon people would be begging for us to spend 50million on him.

No, if he was playing for Sporting and was called anything people would be saying that he's not PL proven and hence we should forget that he exists or murder him the minute he joins for the vicious crime of not being PL proven.

 

[goin4glory]

I wouldn't call £30m large and I certainly wouldn't call Schneiderlin a sub par player. All I'm saying is that your argument of "it's my money" has no basis or truth whatsoever.

It does since it's the fans money which is used to buy the players. In Spain/Italy/Germany any club with a president or director of football those jobs rely on getting good players for good prices. If not the fans simply vote them out and they'll be replaced. Trying to argue that paying millions of pounds in excess makes no difference since it's legally not my money is laughable.

Kroos had a year left on his contract and Barca wanted to sell Fabregas. Modric wasn't as high profile back then and it seemed like Spurs were happy to sell for less to a foreign club - they rejected £40m for Chelsea the year before.

They rejected £40m from Chelsea because they had openly tapped him up, started the bidding at something ridiculous like £20m which just riled up the Spurs fans/board and then didn't make a £40m bid until the window was almost closed and Spurs would have no time to find a replacement. Had they bid that amount on day 1 he'd be a Chelsea player today.

Kroos was on the last year of his deal but what about Matic/Rakitic/Maschearno?

I've asked this before in this thread, for the same amount of money, who's available? And further, who's available and is actually better than Schneiderlin regardless of the price?

Vidal is better by a margin. Kondogbia is excellent as well and substantially younger. Again I'd like to say I think Schneiderlin would be a good addition but my point is I understand why United have sat back if they've been asked to cough up £30m.

 

[Crackers]

This is a journey and a half.
Are we there yet?

 

[NL Max]

This thread reminds me a bit of last week friday when a mouse was walking trough my friend her garden. She flipped out completely and I just stood there relaxed, knowing the little bugger would harm nobody and just find his way out under the fence - and so the mouse did. This deal will be done sooner or later, no doubts about it.

Don't care what we'll pay either, that's Woody's job and Schneiderlin is as close to Strootman and available as we'll get on the market.

 

[#07]

It does since it's the fans money which is used to buy the players. In Spain/Italy/Germany any club with a president or director of football those jobs rely on getting good players for good prices. If not the fans simply vote them out and they'll be replaced. Trying to argue that paying millions of pounds in excess makes no difference since it's legally not my money is laughable.



They rejected £40m from Chelsea because they had openly tapped him up, started the bidding at something ridiculous like £20m which just riled up the Spurs fans/board and then didn't make a £40m bid until the window was almost closed and Spurs would have no time to find a replacement. Had they bid that amount on day 1 he'd be a Chelsea player today.

Kroos was on the last year of his deal but what about Matic/Rakitic/Maschearno?



Vidal is better by a margin. Kondogbia is excellent as well and substantially younger. Again I'd like to say I think Schneiderlin would be a good addition but my point is I understand why United have sat back if they've been asked to cough up £30m.

I remember people saying stuff like this when we pulled out of the Herrera deal first time around.

Not worth it, not even a full international, shouldn't be paying that much for someone who is unproven...

It was wrong about Herrera, its wrong about Schneiderlin. Hopefully we end up getting him this summer rather than putting it off for a year, for absolutely no logical reason.

 

[Crackers]

This thread reminds me a bit of last week friday when a mouse was walking trough my friend her garden. She flipped out completely and I just stood there relaxed, knowing the little bugger would harm nobody and just find his way out under the fence - and so the mouse did. This deal will be done sooner or later, no doubts about it.

Don't care what we'll pay either, that's Woody's job and Schneiderlin is as close to Strootman and available as we'll get on the market.

So what you're saying is that Woody is a mouse catcher?

 

[bosnian_red]

Schneiderlin was the best midfielder on the park in matches against City, United and Chelsea last season. He's a fixture in the French national side and is only 25 years old. If his name was Morgani Schneidondo and he played for Sporting Lisbon people would be begging for us to spend 50million on him.

His name is fine, it's just some people aren't that excited because he's played for Southampton for so long without being snapped up (and generally defensive minded players aren't the most exciting transfers anyway).

 

[Kevin]

This thread reminds me a bit of last week friday when a mouse was walking trough my friend her garden. She flipped out completely and I just stood there relaxed, knowing the little bugger would harm nobody and just find his way out under the fence - and so the mouse did.

Giving us a sneak peek to the lyrics of your next rap video Memphis?

 

[bucky]

Vidal is better by a margin. Kondogbia is excellent as well and substantially younger. Again I'd like to say I think Schneiderlin would be a good addition but my point is I understand why United have sat back if they've been asked to cough up £30m.

IMO they weren't better from what I've seen last season. Perhaps Kondogbia will be in the foreseeable future, but he wasn't as consistent as Schneiderlin, nor as good.

 

[soap]

Kroos was on the last year of his deal but what about Matic/Rakitic/Maschearno?

Mascherano transferred about 8 years ago so we can hardly compare that transfer fee to whatever the fee for Schneiderlin is. Barca got an excellent price for Rakitic any way you look at it, but Sevilla are far more cash strapped than Soton. Neither he nor Matic were considered in the same bracket at Kroos, Modric, Fabregas or even Mascherano probably, if Schneiderlin goes for a few million more than Magic that shouldn't even raise eyebrows.

 

[Riz]

It does since it's the fans money which is used to buy the players. In Spain/Italy/Germany any club with a president or director of football those jobs rely on getting good players for good prices. If not the fans simply vote them out and they'll be replaced. Trying to argue that paying millions of pounds in excess makes no difference since it's legally not my money is laughable.

At what point did I say it makes no difference? My original point was agreeing with another poster that getting cold feet and potentially pulling the plug on a transfer because our valuation and their asking price are a few million pounds apart isn't worth it if we believe the player will genuinely improve us.

Don't know where all this talk of legality has come from, it's not your money in anyway never mind legally.

 

[bucky]

I remember people saying stuff like this when we pulled out of the Herrera deal first time around.

Not worth it, not even a full international, shouldn't be paying that much for someone who is unproven...

It was wrong about Herrera, its wrong about Schneiderlin. Hopefully we end up getting him this summer rather than putting it off for a year, for absolutely no logical reason.

I have to admit I was one of those. I really thought we had a chance to sign Thiago and that we'd sign Strootman. What followed proved to be hard lesson that we should have signed someone regardless of the cost.

 

[Kostur]

IMO they weren't better from what I've seen last season. Perhaps Kondogbia will be in the foreseeable future, but he wasn't as consistent as Schneiderlin, nor as good.

Shhh, it doesn't really matter that many people who watch Serie A on a daily basis were disappointed with Vidal after his injury and I bet he's watched all of Kondogbia's matches in Ligue 1 as Monaco was a fascinating side to follow.

 

[Julian Denny]

I don't think there's much doubt about his quality or potential (btw 3 years younger than Vidal). The stats from last season show how effective he is and are better than Carrick's. This surely isn't about money after all this time? I still maintain (only hunch of course) that LvG would prefer Schweinstiger if he is available.

Then again, Woody may be indulging in a bit of brinkmanship to extract the best deal. That's fair enough but not to the extent of losing the deal. If they really do want Morgan then whether they pay 20m, 25m or 30m is probably immaterial. After all they seem prepared to waive 20m odd in order to keep DDG at the club for another season rather than being shafted by Real. That's fair enough too, I suppose.

 

[arthurka]

Come on Woody, get your shaft out and shaft somebody...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Well he gets a lot of stick here for basically paying the asking price even when it's clear that the selling club wouldn't sell otherwise.
He or Moyes deserve stick for Fellaini as they managed to pas more than the release clause, but not for Schneiderlin or Herrera.[/QUOTE]
We still have to see what we pay for schniederlin. But like I said, if he pays what people expected anyway, then he deserved neither a lot of credit nor criticism.

 

[Pexbo]

This one is getting frustrating since it appears we have a clear run at him and for roughly the same price we paid for Fellaini and Herrera.

Stop believing everything you read.

 

[Devil may care]

Stop believing everything you read.

What's so hard to believe about Koeman's comments? Do you really think Southampton are expecting more than £30M tops for him?

 

[Pexbo]

What's so hard to believe about Koeman's comments? Do you really think Southampton are expecting more than £30M tops for him?

Ever thought he's playing games in the press? Considering how comfortable Woodward is at getting his chequebook out, do you not think there's probably a little bit more to it than coughing up an extra million or two?

They're quite clearly inviting us to make another bid and as it's 6 weeks away from the start of the season it'll most likely be rejected as they ask for more, because we're United and we can pay more.

He dismissed our £20m bid as "not a serious bid" yet you think they're going to bite our hand off for a bid less than what Liverpool paid them for Lallana?

They're inviting bids because they want the auction to kick on, if it sits at £20m with no more bids in yet it's no good to them, if we put in a £25m bid they can reject that too and tell us to keep coming back with more.

Absolutely nothing wrong with playing it cool while Schneiderlin agitates for a move. Especially as we are the only ones in for him right now, all the Arsenal talk is just to make us move faster.

 

[ravi2]

What's so hard to believe about Koeman's comments? Do you really think Southampton are expecting more than £30M tops for him?

I think £25m rising to £30m in add ons is not out of order for Schneiderlin. That is the max we should go though.