No, I don't think any of that is the case, I think he's an unspectacular CM who isn't Schweinsteiger and we don't want to pay more than £20M + add-ons for him, so we are playing chicken in the hope that Southampton will reach a point where they come back to us and accept our offer as opposed to us upping ours, as they too need things to get moving so they can buy a replacement. The fact is we should be thinking more about the pre-season than about saving a few million, there are no other clubs willing to meet the valuation as it is, so just pay and lets get the players settled in for the tour so they can gel in time for the season.
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No, I don't think any of that is the case, I think he's an unspectacular CM who isn't Schweinsteiger and we don't want to pay more than £20M + add-ons for him, so we are playing chicken in the hope that Southampton will reach a point where they come back to us and accept our offer as opposed to us upping ours, as they too need things to get moving so they can buy a replacement. The fact is we should be thinking more about the pre-season than about saving a few million, there are no other clubs willing to meet the valuation as it is, so just pay and lets get the players settled in for the tour so they can gel in time for the season.
Agreed, I think they will simply look at the fees we paid for our last 2 CM's and want parity, which is hardly unreasonable.
Do you know what £20m gets you these days?
To give you some perspective, Dejan Lovren cost Liverpool £20m last summer from the same club while Marco Rojo cost us £16m + Nani for a year.
£20m is peanuts for a proven EPL midfielder and he's very proven.
In the CM market? Not quite a Fellaini or Herrera in our case. Why would Southampton accept less for their star player? Look at the options, there aren't many and none with the PL proven experience and at such a good age as well. I can't see any reason to haggle like we are buying a rug off Del Boy.
You're contradicting yourself now.
You think we only see him as a £20m midfielder yet you think he's very good?
We're trying to avoid being forced north of £30m, it's obvious as hell.
He isn't the Schweinsteiger of 2 or 3 years ago but there are very few players out there who could be mentioned in that breath. The current Schweinsteiger isn't close to as effective as Schneiderlin was last season. If we buy Schweini, it is for his experience and leadership qualities as much as anything else. Schneiderlin, with his energy and work rate in midfield is the player we need.
They don't need the money at all either.
How am I contradicting myself? I think he's a very good player, where have I said otherwise? The fact he isn't a spectacular type of CM I think is why the club are placing a lesser value on him.
I don't think that is obvious at all, Southampton aren't fools, they know what they got for Lallana and Shaw and what we paid for Fellaini and Herrera and want that matched. I think that LvG doesn't rate him as highly as many on the Caf do.
Isn't he on the last year if his contract or something also?
I don't disagree with any of that, I'd much prefer Schneiderlin, but our manager has history with Schweinsteiger and from Woody's perspective he's a much more glamorous singing than Schneiderlin, that was all I meant.
Yep, they have coined it in left and right since last summer.
Fair enough. I misunderstood what you meant by "he isn't Schweinsteiger". I get what you mean but I really hope we're not making decisions on what Woodward thinks is a glamour signing over what we really need.
So did he go to austria or not?
So I heard he has travelled with the Saints squad to Austria
I never said that about Herrera, I thought he would be a good buy and feel the same about Schneiderlin but 30m is a very hefty price when other top CM's are going for less. Of course United fans would question paying that much when the same summer we sign him Kroos/Fabregas move for the same price or less.
You're seriously gonna argue that Schneiderlin was better than Vidal last season? Juve won the domestic double and made a CL final. Be serious.
Matic went for 21m. Schneiderlin at 30 is more than a few.
We need him, Southampton doesn't need to sell. Plus he's premiership proven, plus the United tax. All this adds up. There's no bargain to had here. He could possibly be a 20mil midfielder if the circumstances were more favourable, but it's not. So 30m though certainly not cheap, is not surprising.
Pay the damn fee Woody!
Im always surprised at the straight forwardness of La Liga transfers. Arda Turan said his transfer was going to be sorted by the end of last week, low and behold he is a Barcelona player right now. Not only did A.Madrid sell him to Barcelona (a title rival?) but they also included an option to allow Barca to sell him back to them if the new president didn't want him. Can you imagine Arsenal or maybe even Totenham selling us a player this quick and then give us the option to resale him back to them if we didn't fancy him?
I feel players over there get what they want more often than not. Morgan wanted his move finalized before he came back to training. He is still there now, and probably heading to the tour.
I feel players over there get what they want more often than not. Morgan wanted his move finalized before he came back to training. He is still there now, and probably heading to the tour.
£27m for Fellaini. A year later and it's still hard to believe
Has anyone mentioned Fellaini yet?
Two years. How time flies when you're having fun.
Fellaini cost a lot of money.
The quantity of English pounds we exchanged for the services of Fellaini was large.
I'm not sure about this signing. I think it smells like a Tottenham kind of signing.
The closest resemblance this signing bears to me is us signing Carrick from Spurs, worked out ok.
Still no new bids, according to Sky. Doesn't mean we're not negotiating though.
If we sign him, you'll love him. Trust me.
Can we get somebody more muppety? Schneiderlin doesn't excite me one bit :/
Fletcher, Anderson, Cleverley and 40 year old Giggs didn't excite me one bit. May not be muppety enough for some but still a large improvement and a very good premier league player. The usual midfield suspects who tick all the muppet boxes are not exactly lining up to join us or leave their respective clubs. If we could get Morgan and Schweinsteiger it would be a great summer. Big if though.
We need to sort out the necessities first - RB, CB and CM then we can go all out for a luxury muppet signing or two!
Very poor examples. None of them were really signed but rather schooled. Anderson was a massive talent when we signed him, among the best in the world. I can agree that Rojo and Blind weren't particularly enticing though.
Not poor examples at all as they were our midfield for several years alongside Carrick and a retired Scholes. They relate to my excited level.
I would love Pogba, Verratti, Vidal but I would bet my left nut we will sign none of them.
Who would float your boat exactly?
the good ole days
They actually were the good old days, which goes to show what a genius Fergie was.
I don't know, I am happy I'm not a scout. Get me Sweinsteigger or Modric and I will be happy!
True, I would also really like them both and we may still have a chance with Bastian but the Modric boat has long sailed.
I really wanted Kroos last season but sh1t happens, all I know is Schneiderlin has the engine, pace and tackling that our midfield so desperately needs. Given that he is used to the league and has been one of the best CMs for the past three seasons makes it a no brainer for me. Maybe we go for a stellar muppet signing next summer as not much left in Carricks tank.
We are truly shit at concluding transfer deals!
Somebody should tell Woody it is a tyre deal and maybe that will prompt him to conclude business sharpish.
Somebody should tell Woody it is a tyre deal and maybe that will prompt him to conclude business sharpish.
true that, amazing now thinking about what he was able to produce ..... no other manager would have replicated that.
I think 25m is a fair price given that we are holding the cards this year with wages and CL football. I don't really think we should have to overpay, the player should know that the closer we get to the start of the season the more likely it is we will switch targets in order to be prepared. This should happen at 25m if nobody gets greedy
Just buy him already. Him, Darmian and Memphis should leave for the tour
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