Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.
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Something is going on here, in terms of very quiet since the first bid (in terms of no second bid etc) but assume behind the scenes we are negotiating and agreeing a fee with southampton. Potentially looking at other options. But not many teams bid and bid again all in public. Seems like after first contact fees get agreed behind the scenes, good news that no other teams are pushing this one particularly, well not openly i.e Arsenal bidding too.
Be nice to get him early enough for him to bed in a bit though. Like Depay its great that he'll get a full pre-season with us, makes a massive difference I think
Be nice to get him early enough for him to bed in a bit though. Like Depay its great that he'll get a full pre-season with us, makes a massive difference I think
I assume its either (a) one or both sides are playing hardball on the fee or, more worryingly, (b) we are holding out for Schweisteiger and Schneiderlin is only the back up
30m is a bit much.
No it's not, especially since he is the type of player we desperately need and is a good, PL-proven player.
I never understand people who get cold feet over a few million when we're going after player, even when it's not their own money. "Yup, I'd give them the 28m right now - what's that? They want 30m? Not having it. That's way too much."
Finishing a place or two higher in the league because we got the right player would offset 2-3 million or whatever we're haggling over. Prize money and TV money would pay for itself if the signing works.
30m is about right. More than that even, if he turns out to be as essential to us as I think he'll turn out to be.
Midfielders who go for 30m range are Fabregas/Kroos/Modric ilk, he's not at that level. I never said I would pay 28m right now but turn my nose up at 30 so don't put word in my mouth.
It is my money, I have a season ticket, buy United merchandise and pay for a Sky/BTsport subscription.
£30 million is what I was expecting them to ask for right off the bat
You received goods for that money, its not yours at all.
It is still irrelevant what you think 30m should get us. Do you recall what we payed for Fellaini by any chance? Or Herrera? Schneirderlin is a very good PL defensive midfielder and that is arguably the most important position we need to strengthen. Carrick isn't getting any younger and having just Blind as cover simply isn't enough. We're also not in the position to look elsewhere for an alternative - the market for defensive midfielders is scare this summer. Yet there is a PL-proven, home-grown one right at our doorstep. If paying 30m meant we could get him then I would pay it in a heartbeat.
This. That's like complaining you don't want to see Tesco spending your money on horse meat cause you do your weekly shop there.
If it wasn't for the fans there would be no Manchester United.
The money United spend on transfers/wages comes directly from the fans pockets. Of course it's not legally our money it's being incredibly pedantic to claim I meant that in any way.
This is a forum for people to express their views, your opinion that he's worth 30m is as irrelevant as mine that he's not. I do recall what we paid for Fellaini, have you found a single person on planet earth who thought that was good value? Liverpool paid £35m for Andy Carroll, so by that standard Schneiderlin is worth 70m+. You only need to look around europe and see what prices the best clubs paid for elite CM's. I'm not disagreeing on him being a very good player in an area we need strengthening but I can see why United have put the brakes on if Southampton want £30m.
No it's not, what an awful analogy.
Him and Darmian this week would be great news
Ok maybe there is a better one to use. Point is spending money on merchandise and Sky subscriptions does not make it your money anymore, you've received consideration for that outlay in the form of products and services. At that point it's United's to do with as they wish, it ceased being yours the moment you accepted something in return.
As I said earlier I'm very aware it legally isn't our money but without the fans none of these transfers/wages are possible so of course we are entitled to an opinion on how it's spent.
I agree of course we're entitled to an opinion that's what this whole forum is for! But no it's not legally your money, in no way is it your money at all and you can't argue that. Without customers money no business could buy anything supply wise but that doesn't mean everytime they buy something I can argue along the lines of "they're spending my money".
So when is he getting on the plane?
Why did I get my hopes up that this could be announced today? 
I still can't shake that nagging feeling that we're holding out for Schweinstiger, and will only complete this if that falls through. I just don't see why we'd drag it out so long otherwise, unless Southampton are demanding silly money, which would go against everything we've heard about them preparing for his departure and accepting it all year. I won't be convinced of this until I see Morgan holding a United shirt.
I still can't shake that nagging feeling that we're holding out for Schweinstiger, and will only complete this if that falls through. I just don't see why we'd drag it out so long otherwise, unless Southampton are demanding silly money, which would go against everything we've heard about them preparing for his departure and accepting it all year. I won't be convinced of this until I see Morgan holding a United shirt.
Why did I get my hopes up that this could be announced today?
I still can't shake that nagging feeling that we're holding out for Schweinstiger, and will only complete this if that falls through. I just don't see why we'd drag it out so long otherwise, unless Southampton are demanding silly money, which would go against everything we've heard about them preparing for his departure and accepting it all year. I won't be convinced of this until I see Morgan holding a United shirt.
I refuse to believe that we're choosing between the two , I think we want them both and I expect Schneiderlin to move before we go on tour and Schweinsteiger when we get that Adidas deal going (if he ends up joining) .
Oh, the accountants are back!
Anyone can give their opinion on what they think a player is worth. It is an opinion, and saying that someone is wrong and you're right is fecking stupid and conceited.
That said, if you want to remove the risk of missing out, sometimes you have to pay a premium.
Had MS come out and said he only wants United, then would change the dynamics in our favour.
Let's wait and see. The only figures we are going off are those reported by historical guessers and liars.
That said, if you want to remove the risk of missing out, sometimes you have to pay a premium.
Had MS come out and said he only wants United, then would change the dynamics in our favour.
Let's wait and see. The only figures we are going off are those reported by historical guessers and liars.
This will be done before we go on tour. I'm confident.
If you ever laughed at Liverpool signing Andy Carroll for £36m or for any other ridiculous piece of business like that, you should be able to fathom why people have an opinion on the correct valuation of players.
Have we got anyone Southampton wants or needs that could sweeten the deal? Chicharito was mentioned a while ago and Jonny Evans is likely surplus to requirements. Maybe Rafael could end up there. Either way, Schneiderlin is they type of player we need so why let the deal go down the drain.
Have we signed him yet or is this topic reaching 200 pages a requirement?
There's a pretty obvious difference between laughing at paying a huge fee for a shit player who was never going to be much more than a average and arguing over minor differences in fees over a player who will absolutely improve us.
If a player does well nobody remembers his fee.
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How you can't tell the difference between a random business/food chain and a club like United is beyond me. If Tesco took all the money we used and spent it on horsemeat instead of chicken sure we'd have no legal right to say "hey what a waste of money" but as customers we wouldn't be shopping there much longer. If United spend large sums on sub par players then results will drop as will match day attendances and sponsorships. Adidas aren't paying 70m a season to have their logo beside Danny Ings.
Agreed. Getting both of them would be ideal - and relieve completely a midfield angst many of us have suffered from for years!
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There is a difference but the more extreme example establishes the principle that most fans have a sense of what a player is worth. Some people dont care about it at all, others see every transfer in those terms. We are all at different points on that scale, I myself wouldnt quibble over a few million but I understand that some people do. If we sign Ramos for the equivalent of, say, £40m, I wont be as enthusiastic as I would if we got him for £25m.
I agree, if a player does well nobody cares about his fee. That's a big "if" though. Even established stars can struggle when they move to a new league.
I wouldn't call £30m large and I certainly wouldn't call Schneiderlin a sub par player. All I'm saying is that your argument of "it's my money" has no basis or truth whatsoever.
Kroos had a year left on his contract and Barca wanted to sell Fabregas. Modric wasn't as high profile back then and it seemed like Spurs were happy to sell for less to a foreign club - they rejected £40m for Chelsea the year before.
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You cannot compare the two. Carroll had half a good season and it was clear that he didn't have the ability to be a world class striker (he was simply on good form for a few months), while Schneiderlin is an established PL-proven defensive midfielder who any top team would have on their squad. Can't say the same about Carroll.
If you're going to be serious when comparing transfer fees between players, at least come up with a better example than Andy fecking Carroll.
Why the feck haven't we signed this guy yet?
It's incredibly frustrating
It's incredibly frustrating
Carrick, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Herrera, Fellaini and Blind would be a fantastic bunch that can offer different things.
@pseudo_canadian Im not comparing them as transfers at all. Im using an extreme example to illustrate the point that most people have a sense of fair value for a player, regardless of whether it is their money or not. Once you accept that principle you are just left with your own personal opinion on what is, as Rado said, a big fee for a shit player, or a small fee for a good player. Those judgments are subjective and debatable.
You understand that, if you take "its not my money, why would I care?" to its logical conclusion, there would be no point in laughing at your mate who supports Liverpool for the Carroll signing, right? That's all Im saying.
You understand that, if you take "its not my money, why would I care?" to its logical conclusion, there would be no point in laughing at your mate who supports Liverpool for the Carroll signing, right? That's all Im saying.
Fair enough, I understand your point. I just feel that 30m shouldn't be something to argue over at length for a player of Schneiderlin's quality. He's player who will instantly improve us and fit right into the team, and while I think 30m is a fair price, the very fact that United is the one buying will of course raise the price up automatically. So with that in mind, I don't think 30m is all too ridiculous.
Regardless, I hope we finalize this soon.
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