In his best season, Suarez scored 50% of his goals against three teams: West Brom, Cardiff, and Norwich - and zero against the top four. He had a fantastic season, and was massive part of the reason Liverpool did so well that season, but in my opinion the goals against those three cannon fodders over-inflate people's view of his contribution. On the other hand, Salah's goals are insanely spread out! That's not to say Piers Morgan is right (he's wrong of course, as he's usually).
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How many of them have had an individual season like Salah though? It's only Febuary aswell and he's already had an individual season better than a lot on your list if we forget about trophy wins (although that could still change)
Suarez, for me, was still a more exciting player to watch. Despite the negativity surrounding the Evra incident, there was a touch of insanity and genius about him that is not present in Salah.
Ronaldo, for one, had a better season. He won the Ballon d'Or, League and CL. But that's not the argument. Morgan is saying that Salah is the best premier league player since Thierry Henry. That is insane. Even in the unlikely event this proves to be true, we won't know this for a few years at least.
Suarez as a player is much more exciting than Salah. His overall play against top 4 was top notch that season. He was a constant threat and was unlucky not to score against top 4. I remember the volley from outside and free kick against Arsenal at Anfield would hv been sensational had it gone in.
I also believe had we got Salah that season (we were favorite for his signature until Chelsea came and picked him by paying more), we could have won league.
Salah wasn't as polished player as he's now during this time. Don't think he would have played ahead of Sterling and Sturridge. He became much better playing in Serie A.
If it would have meant him coming off the bench instead of Moses or Aspas we'd probably have won the league.
Well in this case you may have a point. Still don't think he would have saved you during the Chelsea loss or Palace 3-3 draw, the 2 games that mostly costed you the title.
The Chelsea defeat was down to not having a Plan B when the A game wasn’t working and wasn’t quite there that day. Nothing wrong with the tactical approach, it was just didn’t work against a Mourinho team.
Palace was a different story and at 3 - 0 someone or everyone thought it would be a good idea to score another 6 goals!! Even at 3 - 1, midfield should have been shored up but it was let continue. If memory serves me right, Moses should have won it in injury time but couldn’t score from 1 yard!! C’est la vie.
Who do we think will win the golden boot between him and Kane? They're both literally neck and neck right now.
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Kane takes all the penalties. Poch tells his players it's ok to dive. More than likely Kane.
if you combine goals and assists then Salah would come out on top but I guess golden boot would go to Kane.
Salty.
Many of Salah's goals I've seen have been tap-ins and goals of that manner. He's clinical yeah but his overall play isn't anywhere near Suarez.
Yeah, because your title loss was due to your weak attack. He wouldn't have been much of an influence (and he wasn't a deciding player at that point, not even close).
To name him the best player in the league since Henry is ridiculous though, considering that he's not even the best player in the league this season. Great signing though.
Just riling United fans up. Forget about “highly debatable” players like peak RvP, Aguero, Suarez etc. - are we just supposed to forget & pretend Ronaldo never played for us?
For parts of the season it was. Our depth was massively weak.
i think Klopp mentioned that Salah might be taking more penalties after he scored from the spot against Huddersfield.
Salah would have been our plan B but I agree our attack was not the reason we lost the league. Henderson's absence affected us more in those matches.
Anyway, I agree Salah has long way to go before he can be called as world class.
I think you can class him as world class as he is been one of the best players in one of the toughest leagues in the world. Morgan's statement that he is the best player since Henry is just a bit ludicrous. But if he keeps this up for the next 2 years then he has a strong shot.
No chance. Firstly you have to do it over seasons. And even taking this season alone he doesn't beat a few other PL greats. This also begs the question whether people think goals are everything?
IMHO Salah is not in the word class category as of yet. However, I will say this. He is most definitely having a world class season, and is scoring for fun. Like other posters on here, I agree that Salah will need to perform in a few seasons at this level to be considered world class. Great player to watch for sure.
He’s not even Suarez level.
People always get labelled world class because of their domestic performance which is nonsense. What makes the EPL so tough? The gap between the top 6 to the rest is absurd. Arsenal aren't even good anymore and are nearly 10 ahead of 7th place. 5th-7th place is a 16 pts gap. most weeks Salah is playing against poor teams, such is the current level of the league. City are scoring 3 per game, which suggests it is quite easy to get chances and score. Also, Kane had to do it here for multiple seasons and show in the CL before regarded world class.
Would be interesting to look at the top scorers each season and their spread of goals across teams/fixtures/top 4 that year.
I just love the gaps on the table this year it's quite amusing.
1st to 2nd: 12 points
5th to 7th: 16 points
7th to 19th: 11 points
Just crazy that the gap between the top 2 is bigger than between 7th and 19th.
I remember in the 2015/16 season in Ligue 1, where Lyon in 2nd place were closer to relegation than they were PSG in 1st place. Just shows the dominance and ability gaps in the league now. Arsenal sort of feel like the Everton of last season at the moment though. They're not good enough to keep up with the big boys (top 5) but too good for the rest.
Was Salah really different from Sterling or Sturridge to be considered a plan B this time ?
Regarding Palace game, losing a 3-0 lead is unacceptable and can't be thrown on the shoulders of attackers not scoring more. Also, Salah's finishing wasn't as good as it's now at this time.
I don't think he would have affected Liverpool winning or losing the league much at this season. He was a decent player at this time but not as polished as he's now. He kept improving season after season since leaving Chelsea till he reached what he's now.
Definitely improved and thats down to a couple of things. Firstly, he's getting a run in the team and has been told that he's number 1. Secondly, he's had a bit more time to get used to the league and that can make a huge difference.
I'm still not completely sold on him but I'm looking forward to seeing what he produces between now and the end of the season. He knows that if he performs well, Klopp will no doubt keep him as number 1 next season whereas if he fails, a replacement will be bought in. He was very highly rated in Germany and is still relatively young so he's got a lot of years ahead of him. Hopefully he improves enough to become a mainstay as it's always good to have someone in your club that proves people wrong but Klopp's transfer record is pretty good and if he goes into the market again, I expect it will be for an established GK this time
I still feel like he is one small thing from loosing his mojo , when that happens or if that happens I dont see him contributing much.. Suarez always kept people on their toes ..
If we start challenging for major honours he'll stay, otherwise he's off. It's that simple.
Players almost feel duty bound to provide anecdotes of why they love the club so much. Plus the club media trying to add an element of fate to it so the fans feel more connected to the player. Happens all the time.
Hell Coutinho 12 months ago signed a contract saying he wants to win things here and challenge clubs like Barca, didn't quite follow his own script there did he?
They're meaningless platitudes, until we start winning things then we can expect players to show loyalty.
If a player is Europe class and Africa class - is he then halfway to being World class?
He’s had one good season.lets just see how he does next season.
The thing with Suarez was he kept the oppositions defence so busy it sucked in and mishaped their midield.
The biggest factor that season was Carragher not playing .
I see what you did there
Thierry Henry? Like Salah is the new Henry? Wasn't that supposed to be Welbeck?
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/danny-welbeck-2011-14-performances.336437/page-10
Was expecting Kane to be outscoring him by a decent margin around this point of the season, but Salah has actually managed to catch up even while not playing as a striker and not taking all the penalties like Kane. What a season this guy is having. Still expecting Kane to come out ahead in the final goal tally but as far as POTY goes, I'd say Salah deserves it a little more.
He scores much more often than Kane, he's more consistent. Kane scores more hat-tricks and things. Plus Salah has more assists.
EPL's Player of this season for me.
Fantasy Football's Player of this season too.
Damn, his mojo scoring, assisting and always a threat upfront is maaadly consistent, from start all the way close to the finish line, some 8-10 games left to go.
Carry Liverpool all season.
Fantasy Football's Player of this season too.Damn, his mojo scoring, assisting and always a threat upfront is maaadly consistent, from start all the way close to the finish line, some 8-10 games left to go.
Carry Liverpool all season.
He's not carried us, that would suggest that we'd be struggling in mid table without him. In fairness, our front e all compliment each other. It's Salah that's scored the most goals but Firmino and Mane have done their fair share of getting the ball to him. All 3 are outstanding and as a forward line, they're frightening togetherEPL's Player of this season for me.
Damn, his mojo scoring, assisting and always a threat upfront is maaadly consistent, from start all the way close to the finish line, some 8-10 games left to go.
Carry Liverpool all season.