Why do people think Liverpool need to avoid big teams in order to win CL ? Liverpool have a tendency to play out of their minds against tougher opponents, and slip vs the lesser ones.
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He's been on Suarez level of output this year. Some exquisite footwork at times, you can't deny that.
Definitely in the top 10 in the world this season, if not in top 5. Such a brilliant player.
I hope he runs out of form, like Mane, next season.
Definitely in the top 10 in the world this season, if not in top 5. Such a brilliant player.
I hope he runs out of form, like Mane, next season.
The first part has nothing to do with anything I said. They don't have DDG. I imagine if we had Messi, Neymar, Lewandowski, de Bruyne we might be ahead of City. What if, eh?
Neither does the second part, but the second part isn't even an accurate statement. They've conceded 12 more goals and dropped points in 2 additional games. Harder to beat in the league, maybe, but what does this have to do with them being battered by Real Madrid or Barcelona?
Tougher English opponents. Try tougher continental opponents. It's a different game and the quality is higher on the continent.
It all comes down to an average (poor) midfield and a terrible defense.
Not saying that one bit. But you've hoisted yourself by your own petard there.
Just proves it's not flippant to suggest that Liverpool could get soundly beaten by an elite side
I'd strongly disagree with this, really. Liverpool have been amazing against the best sides under Klopp, pretty sure they have the best top six record since he signed, quite comfortably too?
It's the shit teams they've always had the problems with, not the good ones.
Plus, I don't know how you can definitively say the likes of Real and Bayern will comfortably beat them when only a few weeks ago they beat arguably the best side in Europe right now. And this is their first CL season under Klopp so it's not like they have a past history of it happening.
I think they're definitely capable of beating the big European sides, but they will, at some point, falter.
Of course we could.
Its flippant to dismiss the possibility that we also have a decent possibility of beating such a side out of hand.
I think it's dangerous to just dismiss Liverpool as potential winners. If there is one club that can do it against the bigger sides, it is going to be Liverpool. They have always been deemed the underdog with glaring weaknesses but in the big ocassions they always seem to play way beyond their expected level.
Our big game record this year isn't as good as last season, mainly due to certain tactical shifts. However I'd still back us to do well. If we get ripped apart like Spurs away again I'll be surprised. Would be a concerning pattern
There are times you just have to hold your hands up and say, what a wonderful player.
Personally, I'm never drawn to these - who's No1, 2, blah blah best player in the world. Players like this kid, should just be enjoyed and I hope there are many more like him to watch in the upcoming world cup.
Personally, I'm never drawn to these - who's No1, 2, blah blah best player in the world. Players like this kid, should just be enjoyed and I hope there are many more like him to watch in the upcoming world cup.
Based on what? Not having a go just curious. I'd argue you're the least equipped out of all the top CL sides, ( domestic and foreign ) based on your exploits in this league. I have no idea how we'll do given our record this year isn't as good but I think provided we have the right personell on the pitch we'll be much more dangerous than you guys.
Spurs took 4 points off an elite side in the group stages. Are they really that much better than us ?
On head to head games, yes? Really, I think they're better yes, but not by much. I'd rather avoid you guys in the QF btw. You can be a very dangerous team
Well, not for us, not so long as Zidane is our manager
Good player who's bang on form but will come crashing next season.
Yes I agree, you might be shit/inconsistent in the league beating big sides vs failing against small sides but in the champions league, there are only big sides and liverpool seems fearless at times and that's a better approach imo now then mourinho's outdated bus system for example.
So if the defense have one of the good games and Liverpool can outscore other teams we should count with them. I don't personally think there are favourites to win it would bet probably Barcelona but woudln't bet against Liverpool for sure
he might have a dip season like mahrez who's got another more dimension to his game but longterm he will be good, pacey dribblers have dips in form. Also I don't think Salah's finishing is world class but in Liverpool's system he will get so many chances. Attack after attack that noone will care about the misses in the end..
I've always agreed with pretty much everything you've said here, but not in relation to the likes of Barca/Real/etc.
I also don't think City are the best side in Europe. They'll be found out in a big European game.
I think you'll do well at Anfield, but I wouldn't back you to not get hammered at Camp Nou, or the Bernabeu. It's not just Liverpool, most teams will find that hard, though your defensive frailties put you more at risk than the other 4 PL teams in the competition imo.
Funny how in September it was "he'll lose it over Christmas", which then became "nah in the spring time when the CL is back he'll drop off", and now it's "next season will be it for him". A real rollercoaster.
Come on, some of his finishes have been world class! But I agree he misses loads. Sometimes I'm pulling my hair out. Rather than fading next season imagine his goal tally when he's settled in next season and stops missing so much. Eek.
You're having a laugh! He would not even get off he bench because he does not prioritize defense over attack.
Come on Barca. You've still got cash from the Neymar sale.
They smashed you at wembley and should have won at Anfield.
what does any of that have to do with humbleness?
I'd personally say it has quite a lot to do with humility. You'd never see Bobby Charlton acting in that manner
If you think Liverpool are clearly one of the favourites for the champions league then you are on the wrong fourm, that kind of delusion belongs on RAWK as does the team you clearly support.
I will be the first to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong if they do somehow go on to win it but I don't see it happening, they'll be one of the teams the big boys will be hoping to draw in the quarters, the attack can be outstanding but can you imagine what barca would do to that midfield and defence over two legs? As I said they can be outstanding at times, they did beat City of course (they also lost 5-0 to them) and they doled out some hammerings so far in the CL this season but unfortunately for them they won't play Maribor or an awful Porto side every week. Also, hoping with all you might that your team is going to win any form of silverware won't make it so either.
Wanted to point out, Jose had lost all his away matches against top 6 this season(if I am right). Now in champions league all the remaining teams will be at least as good as top 6 if not better and there will always a away match. If going by the trend man UTD have to win their every match at Old Trafford against tougher European opposition. Will like to hear your comment in it?
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We drew your lot at Anfield, you should at least remember that being a Pool fan. Also we won at the Emirates.
Anyway, this is a thread about Salah and not United.
They went to Wembley, Emirates, Etihad and conceded 12 goals.
this is so dumb
Compared to a lot of other clubs fora I occasionally visit, Redcafe has some of the most level headed and reasonable internet debaters I have come across.
How about we get the thread back on track guys?
How about we get the thread back on track guys?
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Thank the gods he's learned to finish at allCome on, some of his finishes have been world class! But I agree he misses loads. Sometimes I'm pulling my hair out. Rather than fading next season imagine his goal tally when he's settled in next season and stops missing so much. Eek.
Roma fans nicknamed him "sciupone l'africano"
they also used to say if he could finish he'd be Messi Typical Liverpool fan, hasn't a clue what's going on, can't even remember his own results. October 14th 2017 Liverpool 0-0 Manchester United. We also beat Arsenal 3-1 with 10 men at the Emirates. This season out of the top 6 we've only lost away to Spurs and Chelsea. Clueless.
I was talking about man city
I was saying that city are amongst the favourites, not Liverpool. I was also saying that despite city being a decent side, Liverpool beat them recently which suggested that you mightn't be quite right in saying Liverpool will be hammered the moment they come up against anyone good.
All I was trying to highlight was a lack of objectivity. I know football's a passionate tribal game and we love it for that reason but baseless arguments and flippant predictions should be fair game for calling out in football forum debates
I actually didn't. I said that Liverpool are capable of blips and bad results like Swansea or West Brom.
The point of my comment was that Liverpool won't just automatically get torn apart by any decent side they face. They might well do but they've also beaten decent sides already this season and could potentially do it again. There's some common sense lurking underneath all the tribal passions that football encourages. Some people should try and look for it a bit more often and accept that flippant assumptions won't always come true.
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Pretty sure he meant City.
I don't think, anyone will be hoping to draw Liverpool.. They'd rather hope for the winners of Man United/Sevilla and Roma/Shaktar.
Meh, I think Real would be way too experienced and savvy for us. Just imagine Asensio or Ronaldo against Gomez or Alexander-Arnold with Marcelo going up and down the sideline the entire game. Porto were atrocious (and still we were lucky not to concede on two occasions), but Real would capitalize on our defensive issues.
We can score in any game so I'd back us to score one or maybe two away goals against basically any side (not saying we will but it's possible), but still... I'd rather get the likes of Roma, Shakhtar or Sevilla next round - a good chance to reach the semis of the CL which would be glorious. No one except rival fans will remember the path to the finals if you get there.
I highly doubt Barca, Real or Bayern would rather face United than Liverpool. Not only have we a superior team but a vastly superior manager too who, unlike Klopp, knows how to win the Champions League.
The last part of your post is spot on but to do it for five games ( QF / SF and Final ) against Europe's elite may be asking a bit too much.