Super player, tbf.
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I needed to end on something controversial to justify my first line. But I'd far rather play with Bruno week to week than Gerrard. And Lampard is a whole other category.
Mind boggling stuff, this. The things you read on the internet sometimes, delightful.
Hello, El-Hadji.
Hold up. Let him cook. I think he’s onto something.
There's honestly not much in it between Gerrard and Bruno.
I do think Gerrard was better but the impact they have/had on their teams was quite similar. Both great cup players.
I do think Gerrard was better but the impact they have/had on their teams was quite similar. Both great cup players.
You can't be serious.
Gerrard dragged and inspired a totally mediocre Liverpool team to the CL final even when they were 3 nil down his body language never gave up and his goal started the comeback in the final.
Bruno's attitude and body language is horrendous and he'd been sulking and throwing his arms and hands about vs Olympiakos alone never mind the entire CL.
I'd just read this thread and what people who actually see him week by week are saying.
Sooner he fecks off the better.
Bruno has dragged a (relatively) shit Man United to wins many, many times.
Both of them have also cost their teams points because of their need to be the main man.
Like I said, Gerrard was better but not by much. Both are great "moments" players.
As a United fan, Gerrard was on a different planet to Bruno. Let's be real.
Oh definitely, without Salah who I feel was uncontested as the best player in the prem for a few years isn't a donkey or anything, I feel just because Gerrard didn't get the silverware he may have deserved, I think he at least deserves the respect.
Gerrard dragged a totally forgettable Liverpool team being their star man to a CL trophy, from first the group game when they looked out and then the final.
What has Bruno done? A league cup? Which legendary games or run can he claim? They're not the same at all.
One is one of the greatest midfielders the league has seen and the other is someone with great ability but a terrible attitude as captain no less.
When your team is down and out and you need a leader with great footballing ability it'll always be Gerrard.
Don't take the bait mate, he is clearly trolling
That's the thing though, Gerrard was part of the reason that Liverpool were in all those "down and out" positions that he had to try (and mostly fail to) save them from.
The famous "slippy G" game is a great example. Not because he slipped (it happens, all great players make mistakes) but because he spent the rest of the game trying hollywood passes and shots to try to be the hero, when if he'd just played normally Liverpool would probably have got something from the game.
This kind of thing makes for a great cup player, which Gerrard was and Bruno is.
And to get things back on topic for the thread; Salah > Gerrard > Bruno.
He just oozes quality and is the type of player that you can easily see carrying on into his mid-30s while adapting his game and still being amazing.
I am all for Anderson 4, Gerrard 0 (EPLs), but at least we should do it right. Evans is a three time EPL winner.
Another two years please Mo. Has there ever been a player that owns a club like he does to ETHs united?
I was going to type out a big post to justify my stance, but thankfully I've been saved the need. He was genuinely world class for about 6 months under Benitez but aside from that I never got the hype.
Salah is playing a different sport.
Literally no. He is the record holder for most goals scored against united.
Also now one of two liverpool players ever to be in double figures for goals scored at a singular away ground (Rush' second favourite ground was Goodison).
No quarrel with those having Salah as the best African player of all time, but anyone doing that while writing off Drogba just doesn’t know football.
Drogba, Toure, Salah and Eto’o are the four. All had incredible careers with years at the top, were consistent, and pretty much won the lot. It’s semantics beyond that. Where you rate the leagues were when they played their best football etc.
Drogba, Toure, Salah and Eto’o are the four. All had incredible careers with years at the top, were consistent, and pretty much won the lot. It’s semantics beyond that. Where you rate the leagues were when they played their best football etc.
I don't think it's outrageous to rate him as the best Liverpool player of all time. He's different to Gerrard in terms of what he offers on the pitch but his output is difficult to ignore.
Another, just as interesting, question is is he the best player to play for Chelsea in Premier League history? That is the best player who has a) represented Chelsea and b) performed in the Premier League? Not necessarily the best based on his period at Chelsea.
The only one who bests him imo is De Bruyne, which is funny.
Another, just as interesting, question is is he the best player to play for Chelsea in Premier League history? That is the best player who has a) represented Chelsea and b) performed in the Premier League? Not necessarily the best based on his period at Chelsea.
The only one who bests him imo is De Bruyne, which is funny.
Toure was great player, but he is not up there with the other three.
Gullit?
Toure is easily up there with the other three if anything Drogba is overrated.
I think the other players are more the reason tbh, Hollywood passes never stopped De Bruyne from performing great season in season out it’s an overused term.
Actually yes that's spot on. I didn't even think to consider pre-Abramovich but you can't argue against Gullit.
I had an awful opinion not long ago, that Mane was the better player and Liverpool were idiots to get rid of him. I couldn’t have been more wrong - as Salah is still doing it in the biggest league whilst Mane is playing in Saudi.
Salah really has been amazing for Liverpool. Year after year I thought he will stop dipping but it just hasn’t happened
Salah really has been amazing for Liverpool. Year after year I thought he will stop dipping but it just hasn’t happened
Would Liverpool fans rate him as their best ever ?
He’s arguably the best there in totality. He was African Footballer of the Year four times on the spin. He’s definitely on a par with them. His attitude sours it a little, but he was every bit as talented as those three and he won everything in football. Huge player.
Hard to say really as so many different factors go in that assessment.
Would you rate Cristiano Ronaldo as your best ever player over the likes of Giggs, Scholes, and the older legends who spent their entire career at United and won everything there is to win? Longevity is important when talking about "best ever", but Salah has been at Liverpool for quite some time already now and has simply delivered in almost every single season, whilst winning the Premier League - something Gerrard never did. But even if you go the other direction and base yourself on peak form, even Salah's best season doesn't come close to Suarez' 13/14 season for me. That's the most insane run of games I've ever seen from a Liverpool player by far. But Suarez wasn't at Liverpool long enough and didn't win a major trophy, so he's excluded from the discussion for me.
I'm too young to have seen Dalglish and Rush play, so can't comment on that. If I have to choose between Salah and Gerrard I'd probably go Gerrard because of nostalgia, but it's a heart over head decision at this point I fear. The stats, end product, trophies, ... all rather point towards Salah by now (and he'll only add to that if he signs a new contract, who knows).
Mane was also a big failure in the Bundesliga for Bayern.
Desailly is also worth a mention
I have been living in Africa for more than a decade, unless you're Egyptian, no one considers him the best ever African player.
Messi, even if he had lost, would still be the GOAT because his performances were incredible during many tournaments.
Salah has never truly delivered when needed for Egypt
Yes mate, your last line I agree with.
The rest I don't know as slippy G moments happen with anyone. Gerrard was also on his last legs those seasons. It doesn't define a player. Look at Chelseas own John Terry. Cost Chelsea a CL trophy by being selfish and taking a penalty when others could have. Or Henry missing absolute gold sitters when we were one nil up in the CL final. That's football.
Mane over Drogba and when you factor in success at international level Eto'o stands alone still. I think Salah is the best in terms of peak performance at club level.
He's quite clearly Liverpool's best since Dalglish with the exception of 13/14 Suarez
Amazing player. Best right winger in the premier league era. Better career at the club and obviously won more trophies. But I would take prime Luis Suarez over prime Salah 100 times out of 100.
Yes, I think he is the Best EPL ever winger/wing-forward. CR7 2008-2009 has been better, but he basically gave just 2-3 top class seasons in EPL while this wanker had already 7 top seasons.
How far is he from making an argument as the best ever player in EPL? If he had won a couple of other leagues, I think he might have had a very good shot. In 7 seasons and 3 matches, he is just 16 goals from reaching Henry's number of goals in EPL (8 seasons), 25 to reach Rooney (13 seasons) and 26 Aguero's (10 seasons). While playing in an arguably less advanced position, and for a worse team. He will likely surpass Henry's record this season, and the other two next one.
How far is he from making an argument as the best ever player in EPL? If he had won a couple of other leagues, I think he might have had a very good shot. In 7 seasons and 3 matches, he is just 16 goals from reaching Henry's number of goals in EPL (8 seasons), 25 to reach Rooney (13 seasons) and 26 Aguero's (10 seasons). While playing in an arguably less advanced position, and for a worse team. He will likely surpass Henry's record this season, and the other two next one.
Agree with all of that.
For me the best ever African player is still Eusebio (yes, I know he played for Portugal but he never set foot or played in that country until he was 18 or 19. He was essentially an African player.)
Mane over Drogba is wild. Great player, but not up there with those 4.
All good though. Just opinions.
Agree with this. Best I’ve seen ever seen aside from Suarez in 13/14. Him Alisson and VVD are some of the best to ever do it for us in their positions. It’s just unfortunate (fortunate for everyone else mind) that a few of the margins didn’t go our way. 18/19 and 21/22 and the CL finals or they’d have a few more major honours which their talent level deserves. It’s what happens when you compete with Madrid Juju and Pep.
Been a pleasure to watch them play.