Mo Salah

Bergman said:
They both have 11 goals all comps, they will be there/thereabouts



Can't dispute that. As are barca on Messi. We'll have to see if the others can carry the team should Salah get injured or banned for diving:lol:.
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Luis Suarez has contributed 20 goals in the league alone (15 goals and 5 assists). That's about as many as Mane and Firmino put together. Barca are dependent on Messi but maybe not to the extent to which you are on Salah. Both Mane and Firmino are really good players but should step up to add more variety to your attack. Maybe I was a bit harsh on their contributions but you should expect more from them.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Whatever happened to a so called committee that looks at divers and punishes them every week? Did they all quit?
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Indeed. Has anyone got banned apart from Niasse (low-profile easy target to pretend the system is working)?
 
DonnieDarko said:
Unlike a few other situations over the last few weeks, yesterday's one is an actual dive. I don't like it, and I hope next time he does that he gets booked by the ref ingame and stops this disgraceful practice. Don't want him to be banned by FA for obvious reasons.

On a separate note, those claiming he's a one-season wonder must be hiding now. He may not get 30+ goals this season but he will be up there among the top scorers.
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We do :D
 
Gio said:
Indeed. Has anyone got banned apart from Niasse (low-profile easy target to pretend the system is working)?
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Really frustrating decision that in hindsight. Easy target when it was getting spoken about a lot to keep people quiet for a bit but with Salah it's now a weekly occurence and still nothing has been done.
 
SilentWitness said:
Really frustrating decision that in hindsight. Easy target when it was getting spoken about a lot to keep people quiet for a bit but with Salah it's now a weekly occurence and still nothing has been done.
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It's a daily occurrence with this nutter. Apparently goes down five times a day without any contact. :rolleyes:
 
Treble said:
League goals/assists since the start of last season:

Salah - 65
Mane + Firmino - 61

Basically, the famous front three consists of Salah + two other blokes who are very good players but hardly special.

Liverpool are extremely dependent on Salah. He has played more than any other forward in the league though.
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Was the same with Suarez and the likes of Sterling and Sturridge picking up the table scraps.
 
Treble said:
League goals/assists since the start of last season:

Salah - 65
Mane + Firmino - 61

Basically, the famous front three consists of Salah + two other blokes who are very good players but hardly special.

Liverpool are extremely dependent on Salah. He has played more than any other forward in the league though.
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I don't think Salah is that good to be honest. With Suarez he carried them. This Liverpool team is much more of a proper side and at times the rest can carry the collective when Salah is disappointing as well.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I don't think Salah is that good to be honest. With Suarez he carried them. This Liverpool team is much more of a proper side and at times the rest can carry the collective when Salah is disappointing as well.
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He's very close to Suarez 13/14.

"The tabs in the graphic above reveal how Salah tops the Liverpool chart for attempts, assists and chances created by some way, while City's goal creation is far more evenly distributed among the team."

https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-citys-premier-league-title-chances-analysed
 
Treble said:
He's very close to Suarez 13/14.

"The tabs in the graphic above reveal how Salah tops the Liverpool chart for attempts, assists and chances created by some way, while City's goal creation is far more evenly distributed among the team."

https://www.skysports.com/football/...r-citys-premier-league-title-chances-analysed
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I think this is a better footballing side with more threats, better balance and a superior manager. Salah is good but Suarez was special for me.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I think this is a better footballing side with more threats, better balance and a superior manager. Salah is good but Suarez was special for me.
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Salah's stats are quite special though: the best minutes per goal/assist ratio in the history of PL, ahead of Henry's and Aguero's. Suarez benefited from a gung-ho approach whereas this Liverpool side is much more defensively minded and Salah still comes up with the goods.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I think this is a better footballing side with more threats, better balance and a superior manager. Salah is good but Suarez was special for me.
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Completely agree with you. Suarez was the sort of player who would win a game single handedly by creating chances for himself / others and scoring goals from nothing.

Salah for me has world class finishing, movement and goal scoring instinct which in this Liverpool set up means his stats are incredible but from an overall ability perspective he isn't close to Suarez of 13/14 who played in an inferior team. I would expect most Liverpool fans would agree with you too
 
Treble said:
Salah's stats are quite special though: the best minutes per goal/assist ratio in the history of PL, ahead of Henry's and Aguero's. Suarez benefited from a gung-ho approach whereas this Liverpool side is much more defensively minded and Salah still comes up with the goods.
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Was that really a more gung-ho side, or was it just worse (especially defensively)? For Liverpool, half the chances are created by Klopp's style of play. Salah is a terrific player but I wouldn't even pick him if I could pick any player from the PL in my team.

Suarez was outright ridiculous and more influential for me whereas whenever I watch Liverpool the rest seem to set everything up for Salah. It also helps playing for a team that is clearly better.

Statistically Salah is excellent but him being supreior to others also has to do with him hitting the ground running whereas many others would have spent time learning and improving, or operating in teams or attacks that weren't quite there yet.
 
DanNistelrooy said:
Completely agree with you. Suarez was the sort of player who would win a game single handedly by creating chances for himself / others and scoring goals from nothing.

Salah for me has world class finishing, movement and goal scoring instinct which in this Liverpool set up means his stats are incredible but from an overall ability perspective he isn't close to Suarez of 13/14 who played in an inferior team. I would expect most Liverpool fans would agree with you too
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Liverpool sank without Suarez after 13/14 if I'm not mistaken. They were winning game while carrying Salah early on this season.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Was that really a more gung-ho side, or was it just worse (especially defensively)? For Liverpool, half the chances are created by Klopp's style of play. Salah is a terrific player but I wouldn't even pick him if I could pick any player from the PL in my team.

Suarez was outright ridiculous and more influential for me whereas whenever I watch Liverpool the rest seem to set everything up for Salah. It also helps playing for a team that is clearly better.

Statistically Salah is excellent but him being supreior to others also has to do with him hitting the ground running whereas many others would have spent time learning and improving, or operating in teams or attacks that weren't quite there yet.
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I hope he performs much worse than Suarez till the end of the season and fails to win anything big.
 
Suarez in 13/14 was for me the best player in PL history without question. 31 goals, no penalties, 13 assists. 33 games. Absolute phenomenon and the best individual season I've seen in England. Almost hauled a shit team to the title. Salah is great but he's no Suarez.
 
Treble said:
I hope he performs much worse than Suarez till the end of the season and fails to win anything big.
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I wish he would. But I've anyway reconciled with them winning the PL who let whatever the feck has to happen, happen I guess. They're winning nearly every game so I'm done with hoping for them to feck up. If he faulters they'll prolly somehow grind out results or get gifted 10 penalties.
 
He’s truly invented & perfected a new form of winning penalties and important free kicks.

In the middle third of the pitch he’s scrappy and strong. Final third he’s decided to just drop to the floor at the slightest touch.

Very rare for a player to dive MORE as a career goes on. Normally it’s a young players tactic that fades with criticism. He’s getting worse.
 
DJ Jeff said:
Suarez in 13/14 was for me the best player in PL history without question. 31 goals, no penalties, 13 assists. 33 games. Absolute phenomenon and the best individual season I've seen in England. Almost hauled a shit team to the title. Salah is great but he's no Suarez.
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Fecking madness. Gerrard took most of the pens right? Suarez would have easily broken the PL goalscoring record if he took pens.
 
DJ Jeff said:
Suarez in 13/14 was for me the best player in PL history without question. 31 goals, no penalties, 13 assists. 33 games. Absolute phenomenon and the best individual season I've seen in England. Almost hauled a shit team to the title. Salah is great but he's no Suarez.
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I agree, comfortably the best individual season in PL history as far as I’m concerned.
 
Suarez was a cut above salah. Salah's amazing and way more than just a goalscorer, but Suarez was everything rolled into one.

I'd have both above Torres though.
 
B20 said:
Suarez was a cut above salah. Salah's amazing and way more than just a goalscorer, but Suarez was everything rolled into one.

I'd have both above Torres though.
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Yeah I think Torres was fantastic but perhaps had his reputation inflated by being the sole source of goals in a defensive team set up for him to be the focal point. Don't get me wrong, he was brilliant, and possibly at his peak a better player than Salah (remember that sensational spin against Madrid?) but again, not a patch on what Suarez was!
 
B20 said:
Suarez was a cut above salah. Salah's amazing and way more than just a goalscorer, but Suarez was everything rolled into one.

I'd have both above Torres though.
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Agreed. Suarez was a totally different monster to anybody in the Premier League right now, he was terrifying that season. I know it's only Norwich but the quality and range of goals he scored against just one team was unreal.

He was basically in cheat mode for the entire season, whenever he got on the ball you expected something to happen. Salah is lethal and easily one of the best in the league right now, but that Suarez season was god tier.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Agreed. Suarez was a totally different monster to anybody in the Premier League right now, he was terrifying that season. I know it's only Norwich but the quality and range of goals he scored against just one team was unreal.
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I remember I went to a Norwich forum after that game to see what they made of him and his serial bullying of them.

they were complaining that their defenders were standing off him in midfield as you can't just give a player like that room to shoot on the half volley from 40 yards.

Best individual performance I've ever seen I think.
 
DJ Jeff said:
Suarez in 13/14 was for me the best player in PL history without question. 31 goals, no penalties, 13 assists. 33 games. Absolute phenomenon and the best individual season I've seen in England. Almost hauled a shit team to the title. Salah is great but he's no Suarez.
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Agreed. Suarez was the most talented player Liverpool have ever had. The man scored some of the most ridiculous goals I've seen...much better than Torres and Salah.
 
Suarez was great but have to agree with Treble, Sturridge that season finished with 21 league goals and before Suarez even came back to suspension I’m sure Liverpool were on top of the league due to a number of 1-0’s with Sturridge being the scorer.
 
B20 said:
I remember I went to a Norwich forum after that game to see what they made of him and his serial bullying of them.

they were complaining that their defenders were standing off him in midfield as you can't just give a player like that room to shoot on the half volley from 40 yards.

Best individual performance I've ever seen I think.
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Still have that MOTD episode on my TV today, and I regularly watch it back. The disbelief in the voice of the commentator was great as well. His third goal was even better than his first, and he capped it off with a FK when you half expected it to go in by then. Unreal performance.

Suarez was in a league of his own, and a few levels above Salah for me.
 
RobinLFC said:
Still have that MOTD episode on my TV today, and I regularly watch it back. The disbelief in the voice of the commentator was great as well. His third goal was even better than his first, and he capped it off with a FK when you half expected it to go in by then. Unreal performance.

Suarez was in a league of his own, and a few levels above Salah for me.
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This is a stupid thing to say.
 
B20 said:
I remember I went to a Norwich forum after that game to see what they made of him and his serial bullying of them.

they were complaining that their defenders were standing off him in midfield as you can't just give a player like that room to shoot on the half volley from 40 yards.

Best individual performance I've ever seen I think.
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Norwich were relegation fodder that season. How scoring several great goals against a terrible team can constitute "best individual peformance"? I get that Liverpool have been wank for ages but a performance against a rubbish team can't come anywhere near a really really top performance.
 
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RobinLFC said:
Still have that MOTD episode on my TV today, and I regularly watch it back. The disbelief in the voice of the commentator was great as well. His third goal was even better than his first, and he capped it off with a FK when you half expected it to go in by then. Unreal performance.

Suarez was in a league of his own, and a few levels above Salah for me.
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I think it's the best hat trick I've seen, if we're talking purely about the quality of the goals. It was insanity.
 
I hope Salah proves me completely wrong in the remaining games and the comparison with Suarez regarding their impact looks ludicrous.

For now, however, there isn't anything objectively measurable that Suarez 13/14 was doing significantly better than Salah. The only stat that he comes on top is the minutes per game ratio in 13/14 vs Salah 17/18: 67 vs 68. Everything else is in Salah's favour: more goals, more goals in big games, more goals in different games, a higher percentage of all goals (31/101 Suarez vs 32/84 Salah), etc. Suarez's Liverpool didn't defend, they were all attack which did boost his stats.
 
Treble said:
Norwich were relegation fodder that season. How scoring several great goals against a terrible team can constitute "best individual peformance"? I get that Liverpool have been wank for ages but a performance against a rubbish team can't come anywhere near a really really top performance.
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Here we go again with the joyless Wikipedia attitude of "football doesn't count unless it's the CL, against the top 4 or leads to trophies or similar".

He was mesmerising, absolutely irrepressible and pure joy to watch on that day. Best individual performance I've seen. Can't imagine many others who could have delivered a performance like that, Norwich or not.
 
B20 said:
Here we go again with the joyless Wikipedia attitude of "football doesn't count unless it's the CL, against the top 4 or leads to trophies or similar".

He was mesmerising, absolutely irrepressible and pure joy to watch on that day. Best individual performance I've seen. Can't imagine many others who could have delivered a performance like that, Norwich or not.
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It helped that Norwich could not defend. It's one thing to look mesmerising against rubbish players, it's another to do it against quality ones. I remember Depay looking like a world beater againt a poor Danish team (Midgetland?).
 
If we are comparing peak performances, then Suarez>Salah>Torres for me as well. However, there is an argument to be made for Salah if the question is who would you choose for a title race. He has been crazy consistent since he came here, even with his relatively slower starts to both of his Liverpool seasons.

As a fan, Torres was my favourite though. Had such an elegant style of play, he made every movement look natural.
 
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Speedy30 said:
I'm pissed off that he's started diving but do you know what's worse than diving? Wishing injury on anyone.
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Started diving?
He has been doing it on and off for some time but because of the speed of it has won penalties.

I don’t care what the stupid pundits say - there was contact..

A penalty is not making contact it is about fouling an opponent.

Diving is cheating full stop.
Unfortunately most footballers will willingly cheat providing they can get away with it.
I would think that most supporters dislike cheating. Whether VAR will help remains to be seen.
 
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