Mo Salah
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Not true, why post without checking the facts first?
No context? You are ignoring context and base your opinion mostly on the "eye-test". First, Suarez' Liverpool were more attack-minded, maybe because they could not defend and had to score goals. They scored 101 goals in the league season 13/14 vs 84 goals season 17/18. Was it because Suarez was more influential than Salah? Numbers don't support such a theory.
Suarez contributed directly to 43% of the goals whereas Salah did it for 50% of all goals.
And it's quite important that Salah was doing it while playing more games than Suarez. It's one thing to play once a week in the domestic league alone, it's another to play both in the league and the CL. What's more, Salah didn't score in spurts like Suarez who scored many goals against relegation fodder and hardly scored against the top teams. In contrast, Salah was scoring on a regular basis both against small and big teams. That's context for you.
Suarez scored only 5 goals in the last 10-12 games when the title was decided and lost, Salah was freely scoring and assisting in the final stages of the CL. That adds to context too.
It's notoriosly problematic to rely only on one's perception ("eye-test") and ignore stats because perception is dependent on various cognitive biases. There are no cold numbers showing that Suarez did significantly better than Salah. If anything, the opposite is true.
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Also remember reading a stat that Suarez scored around 60% of the goals vs bottom 4 or 5 teams. Have to check again
here is the break up
He scored 13 of his goals vs relegated teams (41%)
9 goals vs top 10 teams and 0 vs Top 4 teams.
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I read on another forum (yes, Bluemoon), where someone has posted a short diary of Salah's antics since Boxing Day.
Obviously his diving is having, what I believe is a bigger impact on us.
I've copied and pasted below.
I know it's getting boring, but this is about a months worth of Salah's diving diary, starting this week and working back to Boxing Day:
1. This week Alan Shearer claims Salah's diving is embarrassing following blatant dive by Salah v Crystal Palace.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/20/moha...alace-embarrassing-says-alan-shearer-8365287/
2. Last week Richard Keys suggests Salah diving, following embellished dive by Salah v Brighton for a penalty
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...med-salah-dive-brighton-vs-liverpool-penalty/
3. Three days after Newcastle, Klopp claiming Liverpool don't have divers following blatant dive by Salah v Arsenal for a penalty
https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-liverpool-amid-mohamed-salah-penalty-debate
4. Dyche slams the PL wondering why Salah not banned, following blatant dive by Salah v Newcastle for a penalty
https://www.worldnewslive4you.com/2...bizarre-decision-not-to-ban-salah-for-diving/
However, back in May 18, Klopp warns him to do better following a blatant dive by Salah v Chelsea
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...39F57F4290D9EB0092E439F57F4290D9EB0&FORM=VIRE
But not to worry, Chris Sutton claims Salah diving could cost Liverpool the league!
Yeah, right Chris, don't you mean win them the league?
www.football.co.uk/news/chris-sutton-claims-mohamed-salahs-diving-could-cost-live/405373/#jGmcOS4Ric8r22rh.97
Obviously his diving is having, what I believe is a bigger impact on us.
I've copied and pasted below.
I know it's getting boring, but this is about a months worth of Salah's diving diary, starting this week and working back to Boxing Day:
1. This week Alan Shearer claims Salah's diving is embarrassing following blatant dive by Salah v Crystal Palace.
https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/20/moha...alace-embarrassing-says-alan-shearer-8365287/
2. Last week Richard Keys suggests Salah diving, following embellished dive by Salah v Brighton for a penalty
https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...med-salah-dive-brighton-vs-liverpool-penalty/
3. Three days after Newcastle, Klopp claiming Liverpool don't have divers following blatant dive by Salah v Arsenal for a penalty
https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-liverpool-amid-mohamed-salah-penalty-debate
4. Dyche slams the PL wondering why Salah not banned, following blatant dive by Salah v Newcastle for a penalty
https://www.worldnewslive4you.com/2...bizarre-decision-not-to-ban-salah-for-diving/
However, back in May 18, Klopp warns him to do better following a blatant dive by Salah v Chelsea
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...39F57F4290D9EB0092E439F57F4290D9EB0&FORM=VIRE
But not to worry, Chris Sutton claims Salah diving could cost Liverpool the league!
Yeah, right Chris, don't you mean win them the league?
www.football.co.uk/news/chris-sutton-claims-mohamed-salahs-diving-could-cost-live/405373/#jGmcOS4Ric8r22rh.97
The difference between Neymar and almost anyone else, is not that he goes down easily, it is the absurdity of his reactions that really frustrates some people. I have seen moments where Salah went down easier than would be expected. I have never seen him roll around on the ground like he is being attacked by a swarm of bees. There is no comparison.
He wasn't Liverpool's primary penalty taker last year. He only scored one penalty last season.
He probably does but it is irrelevent anyway. He has received the easiest ride from the media since coming and now is getting a little bit of blowback after some of his very theatrical falls in the past few weeks. Even Klopp, the notorious islamophobe I guess?, has also mentioned it.
He's getting a lot of attention because he is one of the best players in the league, playing for the 2nd biggest club in the league and the club who are currently sitting 1st, with almost 2/3 of the season gone. If he was shit and playing for Huddersfield, nobody would care even slightly, whether he was English or not.
Do people get paid big money to throw out racism accusations? It happens so often and most of them are clutching at straws at best that youre left thinking thinking that’s the only plausible reason. I’m awaiting people rightfully calling Kamara a scumbag in that thread to be called out for racism.
No matter colour or religion, cheats get called out. When it’s becoming habitual as in the case of Salah he’s going to get criticism. I just don’t understand how anyone can think there’s prejudice against Salah when players are supposed to be retroactively banned for as blatant a dive as his and yet nothing happened.
No matter colour or religion, cheats get called out. When it’s becoming habitual as in the case of Salah he’s going to get criticism. I just don’t understand how anyone can think there’s prejudice against Salah when players are supposed to be retroactively banned for as blatant a dive as his and yet nothing happened.
What???
I was being sarcastic. Racism/ islamophobia is being given as the reason for this apparent disproportionate interest in Salah's antics and I'm pointing out that even Klopp has pointed it out now.
Yeah, it's criminal tbf how he hasn't been booked for it yet.
Maybe the refs aren't booking him because he is doing them a favor by going down when getting contact in the box. They're the ones who let him get hacked for two seasons prior to these last few penalties and didn't call anything. He's probably thinking why not go down? It's what they want so feck it. He was known for staying on his feet when getting mugged and now is taking the route the refs have given him. As far as the media giving a pass, look at all the work he has done for charity and read up on his lifestyle. A genuine person.
''He does loads of work for good causes, ref''
''OK, that's a penno''
''OK, that's a penno''
Crystal palace was a dive and he received no Penalty and Newcastle was a dive (even though there was minimal contact) but we won that game 4-0 anyway. So his dives haven't affected the result in any game.
If you think Arsenal Brighton were dives, i'm sure you think Sterling's exaggerated fall after contact vs Wolves was a dive too right?
Bluemoon is one of the most bitter forums around the amount of paranoia on there is hilarious. Scudamore's leaving wish was for Liverpool to win the league supposedly and UEFA are working against City to prevent them winning the UCL as well.
First it was Liverpool get all the lucky decisions now it's moved onto we're only winning because Salah dives, can't wait to see what the opposition fans come up with next! Look at the draws we've had in the UCL , Carling Cup and FA Cup in comparison to City , but obviously that doesn't fit their paranoid agenda.
I'm not sure that's the main talking point, from what I've gathered it's just people discussing the trait of one of the most high profile players in the league.
Maybe not in the thread but it was from the guy i directly quoted. Fans will rarely give opposition teams the credit they deserve anyway. Just like your rivals used to say Howard Webb was a Untied fan, when he obviously wasn't. It's like a coping method you don't want to just say they're better than us.
And you've been denying that he ever, ever, ever goes down a bit easy, like.
#CheatyMo
#CheatyMo
Won't disagre that he does - but there's still a difference between going down easily and just flat out diving for me.
I'm not really into the "he was entitled to go down" or "the defender gave him the opportunity" kind of things, but a lot of contact in the box which could/could not be given a penalty for just doesn't warrant to go down. If you even try to be honest and carry on, no way you'll ever get your penalty, rightly or wrongly.
Yeah, I think so too, really.
Okay, you could have been banned for your sarcasm you know.
Excellent finish.
Mo Salah! Egyptian King.
Mo Salah!
Egyptian King.Shame Pogba didn't dab on that shoulder.
That's clearly a penalty. Pull from the back.
That type of contact on the field and Salah is on the floor and tears would be shed.
Seeing stuff like that makes me think Utd players couldn't care less about Liverpool winning the league. They probably have more rivalry with City on a personal level after last year's tunnel shenanigans.
PP has clearly got his hand on his shoulder.
It's amazing Cheaty Mo isn't on the floor getting given a penalty.
SJWs virtue signalling, it's the new craze apparently. I think people get extra points for ironically being discrimitory themselves, by applying double standards in how they judge/ perceive/ demand treatment for 'non white' players.
Like with most topics, some of the criticism that Salah gets is possibly racially motivated, but I suspect of lot of it is down to his own gamesmanship. Goes down with easy body contact, while he does far worse himself outside of the box to defenders, to make that initial space.
Humans generally don't like injustice/ hypocrits/ double standards and Salsh is probably perceived by many as falling into this category, hence the criticism
Why? Because footballer took a picture with a footballer?
It’s a ridiculous idea isn’t it
most footballers in the same region hang out.It’s a ridiculous idea isn’t it
Racist
Footballers at rival clubs generally don't hate each other. I swear City and United players have been photographed regularly together hanging out/going to the same clubs.
This exactly. Us as fans don't take it easy. Lately seen a lot of those photos when rivals players enjoying themselves together.
You are indeed correct.
De Gea & Aguero are close friends since their Atletico days and tend to hang out with each other. There was also a video of Benjamin Mendy dancing with Paul Pogba and his brothers at Paul Pogba’s house (think it was New Year).
Of course they are going to be rivals on the pitch but off it, they will obviously have friendships with players from rival clubs.
Back in 2011 when we beat Chelsea at Old Trafford 2-1. It was the 3rd last match of the season and if Chelsea beat us they level us on points but we won, got a 6-point lead and clinched the title. I was in the tunnels after the match and although players walked in happy/annoyed after the showers they formed their little groups (English NT players, French speaking players etc) and were talking among themselves in a friendly manner. These guys know each other and are on friendly terms. Pogba and Salah might not be friend but they probably met because of some sponsor relating thing and Pogba gets double the instagram clicks by posting that.
I know it's different from the 92' era but back then those United players were all HG and basically only knew each other. There wasn't this big net of communication that we have now. Players from the city of Manchester and Liverpool will meet each other at restaurants/night clubs and some of them probably play vs each other on FIFA. It's no big deal imo as long as it doesn't show on the pitch which I don't think it does.
Have G.Nevill and Scholes seen this yet?