Mo Salah

I saw the Chelsea one with my own eyes. It was not even slightly similar. Kepa took Kane out last week, there's minimal contact in that video above.

Salah has literally had the media falling over each other to exalt him and this is the first time anyone has even started to mention anything negative with regards to his reputation.

Please tell me, a black African immigrant married to a half Egyptian woman with a Muslim background, a bit more about exactly what I'm missing about the world around me?

We can go around in circles all day.

My original point is that he's gaining an unjust reputation. Salah dives no more than most footballers.

Of course, I'm not suggesting that all Liverpool fans are racist

That's literally what you implied.

Why is it ironic? What do Liverpool even have to do with what I mentioned?
 
It's not, but no doubt a decent proportion will jump on Salah far easier than they would other players because of his ethnicity and religion.
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:lol: at you playing the racist card with Salah. He gets such a kid glove treatment from the media and you're here making excuses for him and crying about racism.

I mean it's okay to not have a stick up your bum about a footballer who plays for your club and just admit the fellow dives and should stop cheating. But nope, let's first rant about how he didn't before and the one time he does everyone goes mad, and then go to the racist angle. Lame.
 
Again, no context. Salah matched his numbers in the PL while taking penalties while in a far better team and performing at a clearly lower level. But in the CL, the two teams cannot even be compared. This Liverpool side was twatting everyone in the CL. That Liverpool side was a genuine one league season non title winning wondering.

I think Salah is quality but he's mostly stats. The players he's being compared to in this thread were better footballers than him.

Your discussion with Treble sounds a bit like the Messi vs Ronaldo discussion. Personally agree with you. Suarez was something else and overall a better footballer. Think Salah is very similar to latter day Ronaldo. When he had sacrificed a lot of his overall game to become a scoring machine.
 
Again, no context. Salah matched his numbers in the PL while taking penalties while in a far better team and performing at a clearly lower level. But in the CL, the two teams cannot even be compared. This Liverpool side was twatting everyone in the CL. That Liverpool side was a genuine one league season non title winning wondering.

I think Salah is quality but he's mostly stats. The players he's being compared to in this thread were better footballers than him.

Not true, why post without checking the facts first?

No context? You are ignoring context and base your opinion mostly on the "eye-test". First, Suarez' Liverpool were more attack-minded, maybe because they could not defend and had to score goals. They scored 101 goals in the league season 13/14 vs 84 goals season 17/18. Was it because Suarez was more influential than Salah? Numbers don't support such a theory.

Suarez contributed directly to 43% of the goals whereas Salah did it for 50% of all goals.

And it's quite important that Salah was doing it while playing more games than Suarez. It's one thing to play once a week in the domestic league alone, it's another to play both in the league and the CL. What's more, Salah didn't score in spurts like Suarez who scored many goals against relegation fodder and hardly scored against the top teams. In contrast, Salah was scoring on a regular basis both against small and big teams. That's context for you.

Suarez scored only 5 goals in the last 10-12 games when the title was decided and lost, Salah was freely scoring and assisting in the final stages of the CL. That adds to context too.

It's notoriosly problematic to rely only on one's perception ("eye-test") and ignore stats because perception is dependent on various cognitive biases. There are no cold numbers showing that Suarez did significantly better than Salah. If anything, the opposite is true.
 
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Not true, why post without checking the facts first?

No context? You are ignoring context and base your opinion mostly on the "eye-test". First, Suarez' Liverpool were more attack-minded, maybe because they could not defend and had to score goals. They scored 101 goals in the league season 13/14 vs 84 goals season 17/18. Was it because Suarez was more influential than Salah? Numbers don't support such a theory.

Suarez contributed directly to 43% of the goals whereas Salah did it for 50% of all goals.

And it's quite important that Salah was doing it while playing more games than Suarez. It's one thing to play once a week in the domestic league alone, it's another to play both in the league and the CL. What's more, Salah didn't score in spurts like Suarez who scored many goals against relegation fodder and hardly scored against the top teams. In contrast, Salah was scoring on a regular basis both against small and big teams. That's context for you.

Suarez scored only 5 goals in the last 10-12 games when the title was decided and lost, Salah was freely scoring and assisting in the final stages of the CL. That adds to context too.

It's notoriosly problematic to rely only on one's perception ("eye-test") and ignore stats because perception is dependent on various cognitive biases. There are no cold numbers showing that Suarez did significantly better than Salah. If anything, the opposite is true.

Also remember reading a stat that Suarez scored around 60% of the goals vs bottom 4 or 5 teams. Have to check again

here is the break up

He scored 13 of his goals vs relegated teams (41%)
9 goals vs top 10 teams and 0 vs Top 4 teams.
 
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I read on another forum (yes, Bluemoon), where someone has posted a short diary of Salah's antics since Boxing Day.
Obviously his diving is having, what I believe is a bigger impact on us.
I've copied and pasted below.



I know it's getting boring, but this is about a months worth of Salah's diving diary, starting this week and working back to Boxing Day:

1. This week Alan Shearer claims Salah's diving is embarrassing following blatant dive by Salah v Crystal Palace.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/20/moha...alace-embarrassing-says-alan-shearer-8365287/

2. Last week Richard Keys suggests Salah diving, following embellished dive by Salah v Brighton for a penalty

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...med-salah-dive-brighton-vs-liverpool-penalty/

3. Three days after Newcastle, Klopp claiming Liverpool don't have divers following blatant dive by Salah v Arsenal for a penalty

https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-liverpool-amid-mohamed-salah-penalty-debate


4. Dyche slams the PL wondering why Salah not banned, following blatant dive by Salah v Newcastle for a penalty

https://www.worldnewslive4you.com/2...bizarre-decision-not-to-ban-salah-for-diving/



However, back in May 18, Klopp warns him to do better following a blatant dive by Salah v Chelsea

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...39F57F4290D9EB0092E439F57F4290D9EB0&FORM=VIRE


But not to worry, Chris Sutton claims Salah diving could cost Liverpool the league!
Yeah, right Chris, don't you mean win them the league?

www.football.co.uk/news/chris-sutton-claims-mohamed-salahs-diving-could-cost-live/405373/#jGmcOS4Ric8r22rh.97
 
He is a quality player but his cheating ruins it for me and it should for others. Same for Neymar. It's hard to really appreciate them as players when they are infuriating, always throwing themselves to the floor trying to trick the officials.

The difference between Neymar and almost anyone else, is not that he goes down easily, it is the absurdity of his reactions that really frustrates some people. I have seen moments where Salah went down easier than would be expected. I have never seen him roll around on the ground like he is being attacked by a swarm of bees. There is no comparison.
 
Again, no context. Salah matched his numbers in the PL while taking penalties while in a far better team and performing at a clearly lower level. But in the CL, the two teams cannot even be compared. This Liverpool side was twatting everyone in the CL. That Liverpool side was a genuine one league season non title winning wondering.

I think Salah is quality but he's mostly stats. The players he's being compared to in this thread were better footballers than him.

He wasn't Liverpool's primary penalty taker last year. He only scored one penalty last season.
 
We can go around in circles all day.

My original point is that he's gaining an unjust reputation. Salah dives no more than most footballers.

He probably does but it is irrelevent anyway. He has received the easiest ride from the media since coming and now is getting a little bit of blowback after some of his very theatrical falls in the past few weeks. Even Klopp, the notorious islamophobe I guess?, has also mentioned it.

He's getting a lot of attention because he is one of the best players in the league, playing for the 2nd biggest club in the league and the club who are currently sitting 1st, with almost 2/3 of the season gone. If he was shit and playing for Huddersfield, nobody would care even slightly, whether he was English or not.
 
Do people get paid big money to throw out racism accusations? It happens so often and most of them are clutching at straws at best that youre left thinking thinking that’s the only plausible reason. I’m awaiting people rightfully calling Kamara a scumbag in that thread to be called out for racism.

No matter colour or religion, cheats get called out. When it’s becoming habitual as in the case of Salah he’s going to get criticism. I just don’t understand how anyone can think there’s prejudice against Salah when players are supposed to be retroactively banned for as blatant a dive as his and yet nothing happened.
 

I was being sarcastic. Racism/ islamophobia is being given as the reason for this apparent disproportionate interest in Salah's antics and I'm pointing out that even Klopp has pointed it out now.
 
Yeah, it's criminal tbf how he hasn't been booked for it yet.
Maybe the refs aren't booking him because he is doing them a favor by going down when getting contact in the box. They're the ones who let him get hacked for two seasons prior to these last few penalties and didn't call anything. He's probably thinking why not go down? It's what they want so feck it. He was known for staying on his feet when getting mugged and now is taking the route the refs have given him. As far as the media giving a pass, look at all the work he has done for charity and read up on his lifestyle. A genuine person.
 
Maybe the refs aren't booking him because he is doing them a favor by going down when getting contact in the box. They're the ones who let him get hacked for two seasons prior to these last few penalties and didn't call anything. He's probably thinking why not go down? It's what they want so feck it. He was known for staying on his feet when getting mugged and now is taking the route the refs have given him. As far as the media giving a pass, look at all the work he has done for charity and read up on his lifestyle. A genuine person.

:lol:

Then there's that.
 
Maybe the refs aren't booking him because he is doing them a favor by going down when getting contact in the box. They're the ones who let him get hacked for two seasons prior to these last few penalties and didn't call anything. He's probably thinking why not go down? It's what they want so feck it. He was known for staying on his feet when getting mugged and now is taking the route the refs have given him. As far as the media giving a pass, look at all the work he has done for charity and read up on his lifestyle. A genuine person.

:lol:

Then there's that.


:lol:

Yeah, it's definitely that.
 
I read on another forum (yes, Bluemoon), where someone has posted a short diary of Salah's antics since Boxing Day.
Obviously his diving is having, what I believe is a bigger impact on us.
I've copied and pasted below.



I know it's getting boring, but this is about a months worth of Salah's diving diary, starting this week and working back to Boxing Day:

1. This week Alan Shearer claims Salah's diving is embarrassing following blatant dive by Salah v Crystal Palace.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/20/moha...alace-embarrassing-says-alan-shearer-8365287/

2. Last week Richard Keys suggests Salah diving, following embellished dive by Salah v Brighton for a penalty

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...med-salah-dive-brighton-vs-liverpool-penalty/

3. Three days after Newcastle, Klopp claiming Liverpool don't have divers following blatant dive by Salah v Arsenal for a penalty

https://www.skysports.com/football/...t-liverpool-amid-mohamed-salah-penalty-debate


4. Dyche slams the PL wondering why Salah not banned, following blatant dive by Salah v Newcastle for a penalty

https://www.worldnewslive4you.com/2...bizarre-decision-not-to-ban-salah-for-diving/



However, back in May 18, Klopp warns him to do better following a blatant dive by Salah v Chelsea

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...39F57F4290D9EB0092E439F57F4290D9EB0&FORM=VIRE


But not to worry, Chris Sutton claims Salah diving could cost Liverpool the league!
Yeah, right Chris, don't you mean win them the league?

www.football.co.uk/news/chris-sutton-claims-mohamed-salahs-diving-could-cost-live/405373/#jGmcOS4Ric8r22rh.97

Crystal palace was a dive and he received no Penalty and Newcastle was a dive (even though there was minimal contact) but we won that game 4-0 anyway. So his dives haven't affected the result in any game.

If you think Arsenal Brighton were dives, i'm sure you think Sterling's exaggerated fall after contact vs Wolves was a dive too right?

Bluemoon is one of the most bitter forums around the amount of paranoia on there is hilarious. Scudamore's leaving wish was for Liverpool to win the league supposedly and UEFA are working against City to prevent them winning the UCL as well.

First it was Liverpool get all the lucky decisions now it's moved onto we're only winning because Salah dives, can't wait to see what the opposition fans come up with next! Look at the draws we've had in the UCL , Carling Cup and FA Cup in comparison to City , but obviously that doesn't fit their paranoid agenda.
 
Maybe the refs aren't booking him because he is doing them a favor by going down when getting contact in the box. They're the ones who let him get hacked for two seasons prior to these last few penalties and didn't call anything. He's probably thinking why not go down? It's what they want so feck it. He was known for staying on his feet when getting mugged and now is taking the route the refs have given him. As far as the media giving a pass, look at all the work he has done for charity and read up on his lifestyle. A genuine person.
:lol:
 
First it was Liverpool get all the lucky decisions now it's moved onto we're only winning because Salah dives,
I'm not sure that's the main talking point, from what I've gathered it's just people discussing the trait of one of the most high profile players in the league.
 
I'm not sure that's the main talking point, from what I've gathered it's just people discussing the trait of one of the most high profile players in the league.

Maybe not in the thread but it was from the guy i directly quoted. Fans will rarely give opposition teams the credit they deserve anyway. Just like your rivals used to say Howard Webb was a Untied fan, when he obviously wasn't. It's like a coping method you don't want to just say they're better than us.
 
And you've been denying that he ever, ever, ever goes down a bit easy, like.

#CheatyMo
 
And you've been denying that he ever, ever, ever goes down a bit easy, like.

#CheatyMo
Won't disagre that he does - but there's still a difference between going down easily and just flat out diving for me.

I'm not really into the "he was entitled to go down" or "the defender gave him the opportunity" kind of things, but a lot of contact in the box which could/could not be given a penalty for just doesn't warrant to go down. If you even try to be honest and carry on, no way you'll ever get your penalty, rightly or wrongly.
 
Won't disagre that he does - but there's still a difference between going down easily and just flat out diving for me.

I'm not really into the "he was entitled to go down" or "the defender gave him the opportunity" kind of things, but a lot of contact in the box which could/could not be given a penalty for just doesn't warrant to go down. If you even try to be honest and carry on, no way you'll ever get your penalty, rightly or wrongly.

Yeah, I think so too, really.
 
I was being sarcastic. Racism/ islamophobia is being given as the reason for this apparent disproportionate interest in Salah's antics and I'm pointing out that even Klopp has pointed it out now.
Okay, you could have been banned for your sarcasm you know. :p
 
Seeing stuff like that makes me think Utd players couldn't care less about Liverpool winning the league. They probably have more rivalry with City on a personal level after last year's tunnel shenanigans.
 
Do people get paid big money to throw out racism accusations? It happens so often and most of them are clutching at straws at best that youre left thinking thinking that’s the only plausible reason. I’m awaiting people rightfully calling Kamara a scumbag in that thread to be called out for racism.

No matter colour or religion, cheats get called out. When it’s becoming habitual as in the case of Salah he’s going to get criticism. I just don’t understand how anyone can think there’s prejudice against Salah when players are supposed to be retroactively banned for as blatant a dive as his and yet nothing happened.

SJWs virtue signalling, it's the new craze apparently. I think people get extra points for ironically being discrimitory themselves, by applying double standards in how they judge/ perceive/ demand treatment for 'non white' players.

Like with most topics, some of the criticism that Salah gets is possibly racially motivated, but I suspect of lot of it is down to his own gamesmanship. Goes down with easy body contact, while he does far worse himself outside of the box to defenders, to make that initial space.

Humans generally don't like injustice/ hypocrits/ double standards and Salsh is probably perceived by many as falling into this category, hence the criticism
 
Seeing stuff like that makes me think Utd players couldn't care less about Liverpool winning the league. They probably have more rivalry with City on a personal level after last year's tunnel shenanigans.

Why? Because footballer took a picture with a footballer?
 
Footballers at rival clubs generally don't hate each other. I swear City and United players have been photographed regularly together hanging out/going to the same clubs.
 
Footballers at rival clubs generally don't hate each other. I swear City and United players have been photographed regularly together hanging out/going to the same clubs.
This exactly. Us as fans don't take it easy. Lately seen a lot of those photos when rivals players enjoying themselves together.