Size matters?
Tell that to scholes, Modric etc
Tell that to scholes, Modric etc
Miralem Pjanić | Juventus confirm signing
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Not the size that's the problem (he's not that short anyway), but it's his style. Similar kind of to Fabregas and we all know that he goes missing in physical/high pace games. Not saying that would happen to Pjanic, but there's no guarantee that he could adapt his game to be a bit more aggressive like Cazorla is.
What said he was anything like Carrick exactly? But he could comfortably take his place in the team.
I've always thought Pjanic had a bit of an edge to him, not saying he'd physically adapt but mentally I don't see him shrinking at the nature of the PL. Fabregas is a good comparison but Jose did buy him so maybe he's thinking of Pjanic deeper against the week to week bus parkers and then moving him higher up the pitch in tougher games.
Not sure why you're comparing them. Different players with different strengths.
Besides, I completely disagree. Gomes in his first season at Valencia was an absolute revelation and was as good as anything Pjanic has done in his career and he did it in a much better league. So, the idea that he's nowhere near Pjanic is absolute nonsense. And one is only 22 while Pjanic is supposed to be at his peak right about now. I don't mind Pjanic though. Like i said, talented player and gives Mourinho something to work with at least.
Mourinho got more defensively out of Ozil and Di Maria.
The latter was very lazy when he was here. It depends on the coach and I think Mourinho can get more defensively out of Pjanic.
The latter was very lazy when he was here. It depends on the coach and I think Mourinho can get more defensively out of Pjanic.
He does, but I've never really felt he was one to rise to it when he starts being kicked around a bit. Serie A is a tough league to compare to the premier league, especially with somebody like him. Like i said earlier, if we do sign him, I hope its not just him, because while he is class, he needs the right partner(s) and none of herrera, rooney or schneiderlin fit that or are good enough in schneiderlins case for any of the positions in a 3 man midfield or the base of a 4231. Schweinsteiger and him, with a box to box player like Kante or Nainggolan could work in a 433 though, which would be needed in bigger games.
Never seen this guy play in fairness, and although you can't judge on just appearance, as Keane was slight as anything, this guy looks like willow the wisp!
If we were kicking Blind n Mata out for similar reasons it'd be strange.
We'll see whether he's just one of 100s of players falsely linked though
If we were kicking Blind n Mata out for similar reasons it'd be strange.
We'll see whether he's just one of 100s of players falsely linked though
I'm really pleased that we're being linked to some of the most technical players around at the moment (Ibra, Pogba, Gomes, the French kid and Pjanic) and even if we don't sign these exact players, it's refreshing to know that Mourinho wants a sizeable upgrade in our technical acumen and general competence on the ball.
Regarding Pjanic, he seems much more like a Pep signing than a Jose one. He's a RCM who might not be able to pull his weight defensively whilst being an offensive conduit who would really open up the field for those ahead of him in area of the pitch. Pjanic himself mightn't even be the problem over who we'd use to cover him at DM as I feel he really needs grunts doing the hard running for him and wanting to get stuck in.
He's a target that suggest a 4-3-3 is more likely than any other system, and with two proper, pacy WF's either side of a CF who can control and link play (Ibra), we'd already be set of one of, if not the best counter-attacking side in the league, absolutely lethal on the break with a passer in midfield who can put the ball right into the path of onrushing attackers who make the appropriate runs for him to pick out.
Our midfield composition will be fascinating to watch take place if we are serious about Pjanic because we'll seriously need to cater to his strengths and weaknesses if we are to get the best out of him and not compromise the team schematic. He'll be getting targeted like a quarter-back once his passing is acknowledged as a threat, so we'll need equally sound technicians around him who aren't afraid of short-passing and skilful possession to help him alleviate pressure before he can impose his will on the game. Surely the likes of Kante come into contention as a complementary players if Pjanic is a target?
As an aside, can't see Pogba coming here if Pjanic is as that leaves only the #10 available or a higher playing #8, which would mean Rooney on the bench, which isn't happening.
Regarding Pjanic, he seems much more like a Pep signing than a Jose one. He's a RCM who might not be able to pull his weight defensively whilst being an offensive conduit who would really open up the field for those ahead of him in area of the pitch. Pjanic himself mightn't even be the problem over who we'd use to cover him at DM as I feel he really needs grunts doing the hard running for him and wanting to get stuck in.
He's a target that suggest a 4-3-3 is more likely than any other system, and with two proper, pacy WF's either side of a CF who can control and link play (Ibra), we'd already be set of one of, if not the best counter-attacking side in the league, absolutely lethal on the break with a passer in midfield who can put the ball right into the path of onrushing attackers who make the appropriate runs for him to pick out.
Our midfield composition will be fascinating to watch take place if we are serious about Pjanic because we'll seriously need to cater to his strengths and weaknesses if we are to get the best out of him and not compromise the team schematic. He'll be getting targeted like a quarter-back once his passing is acknowledged as a threat, so we'll need equally sound technicians around him who aren't afraid of short-passing and skilful possession to help him alleviate pressure before he can impose his will on the game. Surely the likes of Kante come into contention as a complementary players if Pjanic is a target?
As an aside, can't see Pogba coming here if Pjanic is as that leaves only the #10 available or a higher playing #8, which would mean Rooney on the bench, which isn't happening.
Pjanic is exactly the type of midfielder our midfield has been crying out for since Scholes left. Herrera has not quite managed to be that game controlling midfielder with footballing IQ we craved.. instead he's a technically gifted b2b player who is inconsistent with his passing and not the midfield metronome we are craving.
Pjanic is of that Modric/Gundogan/Kroos and old school Fabregas mould of player. He isn't as dynamic as Modric either defensively or in terms of running with the ball, so he is inferior to him and peak Gundogan was arguably as good as Modric pre injury so if Gundogan ever becomes 100% fit, he's a superior player but that doesn't mean that Pjanic right now isn't potentially the better signing if we was to get him. He can get around well, good dribbler, good short passing and a lot of composure in tight spaces.
He is a better centre mid than current form Gundogan and Fabregas for me.. although his higher level is a notch below those two at their peak. Ruben Nevez is another player of this mould. He is also more dynamic than a Kroos and that is key for a side trying to build its way up like ours.. Kroos would be a luxury signing for a club which is flawed like us, we need solid players.
I'd play him in a 4-3-3 with a strong technically gifted beast at CM.. and a box to box player who can give him passing options and operate more in the final third allowing him to sit back and dictate the tempo. Him and Pogba would work quite well if they had a good defensive midfielder behind them or a Niguez, which would make that midfield absolutely rock solid in terms of work rate.
Pjanic is of that Modric/Gundogan/Kroos and old school Fabregas mould of player. He isn't as dynamic as Modric either defensively or in terms of running with the ball, so he is inferior to him and peak Gundogan was arguably as good as Modric pre injury so if Gundogan ever becomes 100% fit, he's a superior player but that doesn't mean that Pjanic right now isn't potentially the better signing if we was to get him. He can get around well, good dribbler, good short passing and a lot of composure in tight spaces.
He is a better centre mid than current form Gundogan and Fabregas for me.. although his higher level is a notch below those two at their peak. Ruben Nevez is another player of this mould. He is also more dynamic than a Kroos and that is key for a side trying to build its way up like ours.. Kroos would be a luxury signing for a club which is flawed like us, we need solid players.
I'd play him in a 4-3-3 with a strong technically gifted beast at CM.. and a box to box player who can give him passing options and operate more in the final third allowing him to sit back and dictate the tempo. Him and Pogba would work quite well if they had a good defensive midfielder behind them or a Niguez, which would make that midfield absolutely rock solid in terms of work rate.
TFM?
Pjanic Pogba
DM
Pjanic Niguez
Schneiderlin
Pjanic Herrera
4-2-3-1 could work with Pjanic at the base or 4-4-2, but you'd have to do it against a weak side or when you are chasing the game and going for broke.Pjanic Pogba
DM
Pjanic Niguez
Schneiderlin
Pjanic Herrera
The potential make-up of our midfield 3 with Rooney needing to be shoehorned in is definitely the biggest stumbling block. I'm not all that keen on our holding options either but we can probably scrape by with them for a season, but the dynamic, aggressive box to box role isn't going to be provided to the level required by Rooney or Schneiderlin IMO.
They're both CMs and I'm not comparing their playstyle, I'm comparing their actual quality as players.
This is the first I'm hearing of Andre Gomes being "an absolute revelation" at Valencia. And as good as anything Pjanic has done in his career? Really?
Yes, really. First you're hearing of it it? The guy was fantastic in his first season. Has struggled with form and injuries this time round but even so his potential and talent is blatantly obvious.
He's talented but it's a huge stretch to say he's shown ability that rivals Pjanic's best form. Or even close to Pjanic's productivity which has hugely improved.
Pjanic's top level is very good. If anyone can get him to be consistent its probably Jose. He also looks a smug cnut which i like.
Rooney
Schneiderlin Pjanic
Herrera
Schweinsteiger Carrick
Schneiderlin Pjanic
Herrera
Schweinsteiger Carrick
That's decent strength in depth. If we also go for Pogba or Saul, someone has to go, either Herrera, Rooney or Schweinsteiger.
Surely that's too much strength in depth, espcially with no CL, it would really hard to keep everyone happy and play a few kids with that set up.
For me Schweinstegier and Herrera are in mortal danger in the midfield, plus Fellaini and Mata of course, shame Rooney can't be added to the list, but it seems not.
Well if Schneiderlin (who every ones thinks is a midfield machine and will be awesome next season) can get away with being bang average, I'm sure he'll be fine. These are the types of upgrades we should be looking at along with Pogba, James etc. Schneiders can feck off to Everton which is his level and take Fellaini with him. We're still going to have to be persisting with Rooney, Carrick and Schweinsteiger next season it seems so we really need some better quality.
Thats not too much. Schweinsteiger and Carrick need to be rotated anyway, plus our injuries. We have the Europa League too, cant play with the Reserves there.
Schneiderlin was a different player at Southampton. Would be daft to judge him after one season with us.
I don't see the logic in buying Pjanic personally, he doesn't sound like he's anything special in the middle of the park.
People have written off Rojo and Depay who were also different players at their respective clubs before coming to United. Depay was the next big thing from Holland. Don't get why Schneiderlin is always above criticism and given so much leeway when he really is just an average player. FFS, why are we just settling for average now these days??
I'm drunk so i thought i should let it be known in this thread.
Hello MIralem glad you wan tobe playing for us hahaha.
Hello MIralem glad you wan tobe playing for us hahaha.
Still think it wouldn't be a great signing. I have worries how he'd adapt to the Prem.
I thought we should buy him after the 2014 WC, so be delighted if we get him
He'd be by far our best midfielder, and arguably the best in the league. The only issue is if he can adapt to the premier league and Mourinho, as I think he's more suited to Barcelona and Spain then United and England. He's a quality player without a doubt, so saying he's not anything special is wrong IMO. It's just is he the right signing for Mourinho, and there is no way of knowing that until we find out what his plans are for United in the coming future.
This I think, with TFM in the mix.
Yeah I agree with @bosnian_red
Pjanic would probably be our best midfielder. Bias aside, he's better than Herrera, Schneiderlin, and Fellaini clearly imo.
Pjanic would probably be our best midfielder. Bias aside, he's better than Herrera, Schneiderlin, and Fellaini clearly imo.
I'd love him here, he'd be immense under Jose
Yeah, he looked brilliant against Argentina.
Heck of a player. Who can forget that 60 yard goal he scored against us. If we go for him I doubt we'll go after any other central midfielder.
LvG’s post match reaction to that goal was hilarious (not that I want managers throwing your players under a bus in public), said that even he would’ve saved that:
That passing and vision won't go amiss in the PL against teams that sit back and defend. The challenge will be how he does in the big games.
With Carrick almost at end of his career, we need a passer from the midfield. With Gundogan gone and little chance of us getting Kross, I wouldn't mind us signing him. We'll have to accompany him with some tough midfield partners. Carrick-Pjanic-Rooney or Carrick-Pjanic-Herrera will get run over.
With Carrick almost at end of his career, we need a passer from the midfield. With Gundogan gone and little chance of us getting Kross, I wouldn't mind us signing him. We'll have to accompany him with some tough midfield partners. Carrick-Pjanic-Rooney or Carrick-Pjanic-Herrera will get run over.
Seemed to be lacking in this thread but here's an example of his vision and ability to play the pass...
How about Grzegorz Krychowiak and Pjanic as starters, and add one of Herrera, Rooney, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Mata or Pereira?
Krychowiak and Pjanic shouldn't cost us more than 70 mil pounds.
Add free Zlatan.
One expensive attacker who can play RW (Sane, Mahrez, Griezmann, etc.)
One CB (Manolas, Koulibaly, Laporte, Stones, etc.)
Krychowiak and Pjanic shouldn't cost us more than 70 mil pounds.
Add free Zlatan.
One expensive attacker who can play RW (Sane, Mahrez, Griezmann, etc.)
One CB (Manolas, Koulibaly, Laporte, Stones, etc.)
Krychowiak would be a great partner for him, though I'm not convinced if we are actually interested in him? Would let us line up like this if we bring in Mkhitaryan and Manolas as well (or replace them with whoever we get at right wing and center back):
Ibrahimovic*
Martial ----------------- Mkhitaryan*
Rooney -- Pjanic*
Krychowiak*
Shaw - Manolas* - Smalling - Valencia
De Gea
Seems unlikely to make 5 starting 11 signings though. 4 for sure, just that 5th is more likely to be a squad player, while we might see Schneiderlin in for Krychowiak realistically.Martial ----------------- Mkhitaryan*
Rooney -- Pjanic*
Krychowiak*
Shaw - Manolas* - Smalling - Valencia
De Gea
I'd rather have a strong spine, so for me Pjanic and Krychowiak, Zlatan and new CB would be welcomed before Mkhitaryan or any new RW:
-----------Martial------Rashford-----
Zlatan
Rooney/Herrera -- Pjanic
Krychowiak
Zlatan as a false #9. Why? He had 13 assists last season with PSG. With the two youngsters running wild in front of him, it could be fun to watch
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Would not mind him
-----------Ibrahimovic----
Martial------------------Rashford
------Rooney-----Pjanic--------
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Shaw---Manolas---Smalling--Valencia
Looks like a good team
-----------Ibrahimovic----
Martial------------------Rashford
------Rooney-----Pjanic--------
-------------Fosu--------------
Shaw---Manolas---Smalling--Valencia
Looks like a good team
SSNHQ...
BARCA TO MEET PJANIC BUYOUT CLAUSE
Barcelona have contacted Miralem Pjanic’s agent to explore the possibility of signing the Roma playmaker, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
Barca have long been linked with a move for the Bosnia international, who has been a key player for the Serie A club since 2011.
The Italian sports daily reports that the Catalans have gotten in touch with Pjanic's representative Michel Becker to discuss the possibility of activating the midfielder’s release clause, which is currently set at €38m.
That clause, however, will drop to €28m next season.
BARCA TO MEET PJANIC BUYOUT CLAUSE
Barcelona have contacted Miralem Pjanic’s agent to explore the possibility of signing the Roma playmaker, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.
Barca have long been linked with a move for the Bosnia international, who has been a key player for the Serie A club since 2011.
The Italian sports daily reports that the Catalans have gotten in touch with Pjanic's representative Michel Becker to discuss the possibility of activating the midfielder’s release clause, which is currently set at €38m.
That clause, however, will drop to €28m next season.
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