Miralem Pjanić | Juventus confirm signing

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Footyislife said:
Scholes is a once in a lifetime talent, and the league is very different today. A two man midfield is a thing of the past. Also Scholes also wasn't afraid to tackle, he was just bad at timing them correctly. Players like Fabregas and Pjanic don't contribute enough defensively to make such a system work.

I agree that Rooney struggles with positioning, but he's got the stamina to run around even if his pace has disappeared. Also i don't know what people are watching if they don't think Rooney isn't a good long ball passer. He's no Iniesta or Scholes, but if he has time on the ball he's just as good as the decent long range passers in the game today. Remember the Van Persie volley assist that clinched the title for us? The thing i worry about with Rooney is all the good midfielders can create space with deft, agile touches. Rooney can't do that and will struggle to impact the game from deep if he's closed down consistently.
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Pjanic isn't afraid to tackle either, I'm not sure where the idea has come from that he's incapable of putting the basic defensive work in, plus we'd be using a 3 man midfield anyway so he would share that with the other #8, most likely Rooney.

I never said anything about long passes, there is a lot more to being a playmaker in midfield than hitting a few Hollywood balls, proper CM's know when to make the simple passes, allow things to move around by making 3 or 4 simple ones before trying the defense splitter, he gets it and looks to hit the same pass over and over as that's his game as a SS, he's not a CM. Fully agreed on his lack of a good touch and agility for the role, he had 2 or 3 solid outings at the end of the season against teams that sat off and he could just use the ball in acres of space, but that wont last long and he hasn't got the agility or the awareness the role requires to work the space needed to playmake.
 
Footyislife said:
I agree that Herrera needs to be more consistent with his production. However, over the last two years Herrera has averaged a goal or assist every 184 mins, while Pjanic has one every 167. Now consider the fact that Pjanic's primary source of assists and goals are CK/ FK's and he is a playmaker in a deep role. It is natural that he will rack up goals or assists. Herrera has only played about half of those minutes as a playmaker and has had to also play as as a box to box midfielder in a very defensive LVG setup. On top of that he doesn't get to start continuously. You can see that the gap in production is quite understandable.
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Set pieces are important part of the game, i've explained that. The fact that Ander sucks at them does make him an inferior AM. I don't think he ever will be a good enough option at AM or number 10 position or even strictly attacking role. He is not built for that, he lacks a lot of stuff, creativity is one o them, he combines better, but he cannot break defences himself like Pjanic does.
As for minutes per goal involvement, Ander done reasonably good there, but even simply mathematically it's much easier to do well with less minutes. Rooney is better than Martial in per minute stuff. The question is, if he will get more minutes can he deliver, because he got a lot of minutes in Bilbao and his 5+5 return i think (don't want to re-check) is nowhere near good enough.
 
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Vilev said:
Well only Fabregas is somewhat similar though.
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I get what you're trying to say, but even in that case Yaya Touré's always been a bit of a defensive liability for City. Carrick is more comparable to Arteta.
 
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I get what you're trying to say, but even in that case Yaya Touré's always been a bit of a defensive liability for City.
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Sure. As was Scholes or many others. Very often gifted attacking player that do not play forwards and like half-forwards, but situated more deeply are defensive liability. You just compensate it with someone more defensive minded, right formation and the rest.
 
Vilev said:
Sure. As was Scholes or many others. Very often gifted attacking player that do not play forwards and like half-forwards, but situated more deeply are defensive liability. You just compensate it with someone more defensive minded, right formation and the rest.
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Agreed.
 
There is a very strong chance that 3 of the top 4 players will be in our squad next season :drool:. Too bad our bid for Hamsik was rejected last summer.

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JuveGER said:
There is a very strong chance that 3 of the top 4 players will be in our squad next season :drool:. Too bad our bid for Hamsik was rejected last summer.

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I guess your top priority is now to get a top striker
 
Downcast said:
I guess your top priority is now to get a top striker
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They would probably go for Higuain if they would get their usual bid of 50 Euros and a pack of spaghetti accepted.

He would be brilliant for them btw.
 
Vilev said:
Sure. As was Scholes or many others. Very often gifted attacking player that do not play forwards and like half-forwards, but situated more deeply are defensive liability. You just compensate it with someone more defensive minded, right formation and the rest.
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Scholes wasn't defensive liability ffs. At 35 he read the game and intercepted the play as good as any midfielder. He didn't have legs later in his career to cover as much ground as someone like Carrick but he was never defensive liability.
 
SwansonsTache said:
They would probably go for Higuain if they would get their usual bid of 50 Euros and a pack of spaghetti accepted.

He would be brilliant for them btw.
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Milan is a special case because we don't know if Berluscolini will sell his shares.

Higuain reminds me Cavani so he makes me :nervous:
 
JuveGER said:
There is a very strong chance that 3 of the top 4 players will be in our squad next season :drool:. Too bad our bid for Hamsik was rejected last summer.

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Which will make Serie A even more dull that it already is.

When was the last time a team who wasn't Juventus won it? Was it Inter?
 
I have a bit of time for Juve even though they're league is a bit one sided. They are a very well run club. The other especially the Millan clubs are examples of failure in planning. And for a team that was forced into relegation just ten years ago, their dominance is a remarkable achievement.
 
Bundesliga is much better than Serie A. At least the clubs are much better run in Germany.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 
Juve are using the tried and tested method of signing the very best talent in their domestic league. Pjanic is a wonderful player and would improve every midfeld bar Barca and Madrid. Their midfield is already good as it as and it's just gotten better.
 
Brown Toothpick said:
Bundesliga is much better than Serie A. At least the clubs are much better run in Germany.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
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The quality of football is better but it's still boring. You have Bayern who no-one can get near and then the nearly men Dortmund. Title is usually decided before a ball is kicked.
 
Jive had to sign from their league because they can't compete with English or Spanish clubs. They do it very well. Their heads highest paid player is on like €6m a year.
 
Adisa said:
Jive had to sign from their league because they can't compete with English or Spanish clubs. They do it very well. Their heads highest paid player is on like €6m a year.
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Serie A clubs report wages after tax.
 
So Pjanic isn't even taking his $7.5m fee?

Incredible!
 
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Think this means Pogba is definitely off in the summer.

He'll be James replacement at Madrid.
 
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