If you think we can get Pogba than you are more optimistic than me
Miralem Pjanić | Juventus confirm signing
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If you think we can get Pogba than you are more optimistic than me
Mkhitarayan isn't create enough?
Pjanic going there can be a pretty good indicator that they are preparing for selling Pogba. Unless they want to use both in a midfield 3 in which case they will have a beastly midfield. I think it's more likely they might sell Pogba though.
Could mean Roma won't be selling Nainggolan. And Chelsea likewise with Matic.
It's not impossible. The money is there, it will depend more on him and what he wants to do. Not being optimistic is just the belief he wont want to come.
Juventus sign a good player for cheap...again
If this means that we will settle for Andre Gomes instead, I will be very disappointed.
If this means that we will settle for Andre Gomes instead, I will be very disappointed.
Link to Barca must have been bollocks. What a deal for Juventus. No idea he had such a low release clause.
They could have a potentially world class on their hands if he kicks in next summer.
Midfield of Marchisio, Pjanic and Pogba could be fun to watch.
They could have a potentially world class on their hands if he kicks in next summer.
Midfield of Marchisio, Pjanic and Pogba could be fun to watch.
To paraphrase Sir Alex: His free kicks alone are worth 30 million euros.
Wow, excellent from Juve. Pjanic at that price is real value buy. Probably means we'll be in for Gomes.
I hope we go for both Pjanic and Gomes. That midfield would be terrifying. Else Juventus have yet again pulled off a master-stroke. They've already signed two players on free transfers haven't they ?
For that sum I really don't understand why we weren't in for him. We could buy both him and Gomes. With flogging Fellaini, carrick on his last year, schweiny not impressing \ injury prone we could fit them all in there.
I'd really love to get this guy for us. Since 19 he's been showing that he got what it takes, EPL is definitely the next step for him to make a bigger name for himself, think he will be wasted if he goes to Juve. Think for a guy like him CL would be an important aspect, one would like most players though. So as much as I don't see it happening, let me do what should be done in cases like this....through a boat load of cash in his and Roma's face and hope for the best!
Or we could just settle for Fellaini.....
Or we could just settle for Fellaini.....
even though I dont rate him as highly as ppl here I think he could be a good addition and very realistic one cuz after we bought another no-nonsense defender, we will desperately need a deep laying playmaker. Pjanic will be our Fabreagas...still prefer pogba though
This one is disappointing as I thought we had a chance, Pogba will go to Real Madrid and we'll be left with that fecking mope Gomes.
Pjanic on the streets of Turin? I wonder to myself.....
Gutted. I wanted him here.
Seems like this was done a while back.
Brilliant little player, passes the ball between the lines well. A bit surprise we haven't really been linked that much with him considering how flat our midfield was last season. The only target that I personally like that looks available is Youri Tielemans.
Can't believe people are wanting Gomes as much as Pjanic. Pjanic is a huge muppet buy, Gomes seems like he could be a hit or a complete passenger like Herrera.
Gomes is pretty average to be fair,watching the Valencia Villareal game of this season and I can't believe how uninvolved he is,the guy goes missing in games,very inconsistent.
Pjanic shits over him all day.
To the Pogba thread !
That's a steal at that price.
Cant believe we missed out on him. We aint going to get Pogba. He was the next best midfielder in terms of what we need who was available.
Now that Gundogan and Pjanic are out of the question, who are the remaining creative playmaker targets (as 8 or 10) available?
One of the best ACM in Serie A, buyout clause at 38m euros, roughly 30m pounds, and Juve gets him for 23,5+1,5m(bonus). That is just insult to what United payed for Schneiderlin for example.
A total steal. Also a very bad news for Mata, since Juve have been looking for a proper AM for a long time and it was one of better destination for Mata if he is not needed at United.
A total steal. Also a very bad news for Mata, since Juve have been looking for a proper AM for a long time and it was one of better destination for Mata if he is not needed at United.
The way I understand it, Juve still have to pay the entire 38 m buyout clause. It's just that Pjanic receives 15% of the transfer fee.
Well Juve is on the market, i mean financial one, so they will disclose everything. But even so, then it's signing-on fee, club pay that to player on top of transfer fees. It will also essentially mean they can offer him lower salary than if these 15% went to AS Roma.
I was not blaming every problem on LVG; simply pointing out that the tactics and player instructions were non conducive to success, both individually and at a team level. I'm not a genius, but i'm pretty sure i'm right since he got fired for being a bad coach despite having tons of money to spend. Also why would you ever have your CBs (Blind/Jones) taking corner kicks when conventional wisdom says you want your CB's to head the ball in the goal. Also its Phil Jones was our CK taker, do i need to say more about LVG's skills with set pieces?
Anyways, to stay on topic: We don't really need Pjanic cause of Herrera, but for that silly fee with 15% going to Pjanic would have been a nice luxury player. Wish we had more option at the no. 10 in case Herrera actually sucks. Do you think Pereira has finally got a shot at the no. 10 now with Pjanic off the table?
Pjanic and Herrera are nothing alike, Pjanic is an excellent passer and can control the tempo from deep. Herrera is an erratic AM who has decent short passing but isn't suited to the double pivot as he's way too careless and doesn't have the range.
Both are pretty good passers of the ball, and creative midfielders who can unlock defenses. They do have slightly different skill sets and methods in which they do so. I agree that Pjanic is by far the better long range passer, but Herrera isn't bad. Herrera is decent at a lot of things you'd want in a midfielder, but isn't necessarily great at any of them. I'd take that versatility in most games, because it is harder for the opposition to counter. Herrera got hurt by LVG's crusade to shore up the defense in the second year. You saw how good he was in his first season where LVG allowed a much more free flowing offensive with midfielders allowed to make attacking runs.
Also i'd rather have Rooney pulling the strings from the deep than Pjanic. Might as well pay his enormous wages to do something he is good at now that he's got no pace.
Seems like the only one we seem to want to go for is Gomes, who seems to be an apt choice.
A CM at the base that can dictate play is very important, a CM that is a jack of all trades master of none is not hard to come by, and I don't really see Herrera in Jose's starting line-up in truth, Rooney isn't good enough to pull anything but a muscle so he'll be the pseudo #10 IMO.
Herrera and Pjanic are not really the same type of player though. Herrera thrives off short passes and a faster tempo, while Pjanic can play all sort of passes and can dictate the tempo of the game when given the space to. That is a moot point now though as he seems to be going to Juventus anyway.
Pereira is not good enough to play in the first team, and Mourinho only pick his team in accordance to their current ability. I think he missed his chance and would not get any chance unless he improved drastically or Mourinho is changing his way of managing his squad.
That Ander comparison in terms of attacking midfielder is ridiculous.
AM is suppose to score and assist, anybody who thinks a player can be a good AM while having something like 3+4 in league in a season is deluding himself. Pjanic gets double digits in that respect. This season it was 22, 15 before that, then 12, 8, 11. That's 68 total in the last 5 years.
Ander had 5, 10, 10, 3, 8. That's just 36. Even when you consider strength of La Liga and PL, still Ander comes terribly short. Of course Pjanic has a lot of set piece assist, but so what? A lot of goals scored from these situation. And actually United is shit in that respect, had been even under Fergie for quite some time now. Look at Ozil a lot of his assists are from corners, free kicks and Arsenal won a lot matches thanks to that, even if they did not score the winning goal from the set piece they scored goals that allowed them comfortable lead etc.
As an attacking unit Pjanic is head and shoulders above Ander. Of course usually plays a bit deeper which only means that Ander and Pjanic can play together, actually if we would have a proper DM, a midfield trio of an DM, Ander as a box-to-box and Pjanic as playmaker, AM would work wonderfully.
AM is suppose to score and assist, anybody who thinks a player can be a good AM while having something like 3+4 in league in a season is deluding himself. Pjanic gets double digits in that respect. This season it was 22, 15 before that, then 12, 8, 11. That's 68 total in the last 5 years.
Ander had 5, 10, 10, 3, 8. That's just 36. Even when you consider strength of La Liga and PL, still Ander comes terribly short. Of course Pjanic has a lot of set piece assist, but so what? A lot of goals scored from these situation. And actually United is shit in that respect, had been even under Fergie for quite some time now. Look at Ozil a lot of his assists are from corners, free kicks and Arsenal won a lot matches thanks to that, even if they did not score the winning goal from the set piece they scored goals that allowed them comfortable lead etc.
As an attacking unit Pjanic is head and shoulders above Ander. Of course usually plays a bit deeper which only means that Ander and Pjanic can play together, actually if we would have a proper DM, a midfield trio of an DM, Ander as a box-to-box and Pjanic as playmaker, AM would work wonderfully.
I don't think the PL allows for a player like that. If you are pulling the strings from deep you better be able to defend when the ball is lost. Pjanic definitely wouldn't be able to do that so I doubt we were in for him. Jose has learned from the risks he took with Fabregas; clearly not sustainable in the PL. I'd much rather have Rooney making passes from deep, because he can actually run and challenge for the ball if we lose it and the opposition counters. Carrick in his prime is the type of player in the PL who could pull the strings from the deep.
We played with one back there for years in Scholes, it works fine as long as you have a good DM next to them. Rooney isn't a good enough passer to play deep, he'd be shoehorned in instead of getting a proper deep lying playmaker or a proper box to box CM, plus Rooney is crap postionally when it comes to playing as CM, Pjanic can also run equally as fast as Rooney these days.
I agree that Herrera needs to be more consistent with his production. However, over the last two years Herrera has averaged a goal or assist every 184 mins, while Pjanic has one every 167. Now consider the fact that Pjanic's primary source of assists and goals are CK/ FK's and he is a playmaker in a deep role. It is natural that he will rack up goals or assists. Herrera has only played about half of those minutes as a playmaker and has had to also play as as a box to box midfielder in a very defensive LVG setup. On top of that he doesn't get to start continuously. You can see that the gap in production is quite understandable.
Scholes is a once in a lifetime talent, and the league is very different today. A two man midfield is a thing of the past. Also Scholes also wasn't afraid to tackle, he was just bad at timing them correctly. Players like Fabregas and Pjanic don't contribute enough defensively to make such a system work.
I agree that Rooney struggles with positioning, but he's got the stamina to run around even if his pace has disappeared. Also i don't know what people are watching if they don't think Rooney isn't a good long ball passer. He's no Iniesta or Scholes, but if he has time on the ball he's just as good as the decent long range passers in the game today. Remember the Van Persie volley assist that clinched the title for us? The thing i worry about with Rooney is all the good midfielders can create space with deft, agile touches. Rooney can't do that and will struggle to impact the game from deep if he's closed down consistently.
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