Called it months ago when I said he'd take 50m Ben whites spot. Crazy he had to threaten to leave to force his way into the team.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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"Exceptional job"? He's done absolutely nothing so far.
I mean, the Arsenal scouts that bought him for 30m at 18 years old really called it first. And 30m is not far off 50m. So it isn't as if Saliba wasn't rated.
At least we're racking up points now before our usual November & February/March dips. I'd rather have a cushion in the race for top 4 than play catch up.
Exacty. He's finished 8th twice and 5th, and people are now going to be acting as if we should be copying Arsenal. Even if he finally finishes 4th this season, he'll have taken 4 seasons and an entire new team just to finish 4th once.
Yeah Arteta out.
Goalposts change every season
This is why I love Arsenal fans. They buy into the hype so quickly, which makes the eventual fall back down to earth so much more fun.
Golden thread this.
Piers morgan is not a good representation of Arsenal. He's not even a good representation of a decent person.
That aside, Arsenal is no where near challenging for the league. Should shut the feck up until we actually play City, pool or Chelsea.
personally, thought Arteta did a shit job in his first 1.5 years in charge.
but something started to change mid way last season. Heck, it was a train wreck at the start of last season, the mood was bad. Perhaps he's starting to change the corner. All i know is, things are much better then before because it was many years of buying crap players with no proper game plan. Many of them were happy to get paid high wages and not perform. Wenger seemed resigned to arsenal's fate of no progress. And it didn't change with Emery.
That's why arsenal fans are feeling more optimistic now. Cos it's clear to see a more positive team and atmosphere. So we can only hope it progresses.
TrueJust say Arteta out and then everybody happy.
Going to win the league
The feckers couldn't stop singing their love for Super Mik Arteta today. They'll want him out come January.
Why can't you just let me have this one
I’ve just come from watching the game with a group of Arsenal fans. They were trying to convince me if you just sort out the right side, you could be title and CL contenders.
Arsenal are definitely in a good place. Despite the ridicule, Arteta has done a good job of constructing this squad.
Defence is still suspect. They’ve had a ideal set of fixtures but to be fair too them they’ve took 9/9 from it.
It’ll unravel soon.
It’ll unravel soon.
This is how they always get when they get a bit of wind. I despise Arsenal fans so much.
Nah. When arsenal win a game, Arteta is overrated. When Arsenal lose or draw a game, Arteta is needed to be sack. So just stick to Arteta out after every game.
They're better than they have been for years, but I think that midfield is still really suspect and they'll unravel at some point. They have a good chance to finish in the top 4 at Chelsea's expense this season though.
Still early days of course, but I'm expecting Tottenham to be the ones who drop out. I think they're a good team with a great coach, and it's always massive having a duo like Kane and Son, but I think they lack the creativity of the others.
Arsenal beating teams they should beat, I know we're so bad that it seems alien, but it's nothing special at this point.
Chelsea can't score goals, maybe if they sign a good striker before the window closes I'll change my mind about them but they don't look like a top 4 side right now.
I dont even think Arsenal fans like Piers Morgan.
The point is more Arsenal are not what United should be copying, if we want to return to our past status. We had some of the best players in the world in every position, the same way City and Liverpool do now. If we started signing Ramsdale, White, Tomiyasu, etc and finished 5th, that absolutely isn't classed as success. Even finishing 4th would have been a shocking season back then. Like Keane said after his rant when we played Spurs a few years ago, we're just talking about getting into the top 4 never mind winning trophies. 4th shouldn't be good enough. And yes I'm aware that in United's current state, 4th is the best we can manage. But that isn't good enough.
Fair play to him and the board for backing him. Long way to go but these 3 games are better than what his side ever produced in last 2 plus season.
Exaclty. They once went a whole season unbeaten. Beating Bournemouth should be the bare minimum for any top 6 club. United would no doubt either lose or make hard work of winning. But lets hold off on the over the top praise for now. Edit - one thing I will praise Arteta for is that they've become very efficient at beating the smaller teams rather than having silly losses like they have done in recent years.
It's good to aim high, but it's also kind of pointless if there is no plan to get there. That's not a dig at United, but rather acknowledging the reality Arteta came into. He's made constant incremental progress, and he's done so in a holistic fashion. They decided the profile of player they would target, developing their playstyle as the quality improved, and overhauling the squad.
This isn't me being reactionary, I've gotten plenty of shit in this thread over the last few years for saying Arteta was heading in the right direction. You say that 4th isn't good enough for United atm, but it absolutely is. Names are meaningless (and clouded a lot of people's assessment of Arteta's early work), ETH will need a lot of time. It might take him a few years to get into that position. It's all good pointing out Arsenal went unbeaten a couple of decades and United won trophies every season under Fergie, but that has no bearing on the current situation and the current quality.
I'm not saying United should copy Arsenal, United are a bigger club with more options and they're starting from a different scenario. They should take note that things can take time though, and progress won't always be reflected instantly on the league table. There are a bunch of strong sides in the league, and the top two are almost unfathomably consistent and have the two best managers in the world with years at their respective clubs.
I don't think United can afford to spend that long out of the top 4 though. I know that's not just Arteta, it was Wenger and Emery too. Arsenal's last top 4 finish was 2016. Can you imagine us being out of the top 4 for that long? The rest of the big 6 never spend more than a season or 2 out of it. I know you have to be realistic but the progress is too slow. It's definitely harder now its a big 6 and not a big 4, 2 big clubs have to finish out of it every year.
Yes, I can imagine.
Yeah the way things are going, I agree mate. It's just sad to think that in the next 6 years we won't be able to finish ahead of both Spurs and Arsenal at least once.I have zero faith in this dogshit crop of players. They have given up already, don't see any desire in them to do well. And we're not doing anything to replace them anytime soon. We are benching a WC winner for the mighty Maguire. What more do you want to see?
I get what you're saying, but I definitely don't think it'd be as long a wait. Arteta has improved a lot as a manager, but he's still in his first job and he's made plenty of mistakes, ETH is a much more proven manager, and while he's come to a new league, I think once he's had the first season to settle in he'll be far more ready than Arteta was.
Varane has been no better when he's played. And I'll be honest I have absolutely no idea why. Same with Sancho, Pogba, etc. Why can't they play well for us?
I was very jealous of the Ben White and Odegaard signings.
If you are constantly scrapping the system you would like to build in favor of pragmatism, to get a few more results, then it will never materialize. I give Arsenal and Arteta for having resolve and patience. I saw a breakdown of how they play versus how they line up, flowing into different positions but always making sure they have a midfield “square” so they are never overrun there. It isnt just a clone of what Pep plays, so kudos to them there as well.
We will see how they match up against better teams… but I’m expecting them to do well this year. They have the look of a team that has belief.
If you are constantly scrapping the system you would like to build in favor of pragmatism, to get a few more results, then it will never materialize. I give Arsenal and Arteta for having resolve and patience. I saw a breakdown of how they play versus how they line up, flowing into different positions but always making sure they have a midfield “square” so they are never overrun there. It isnt just a clone of what Pep plays, so kudos to them there as well.
We will see how they match up against better teams… but I’m expecting them to do well this year. They have the look of a team that has belief.