Piers Morgan is such a fecking waste of space…
In that photo it’s fitting that neither Ronaldo nor the beautiful woman are even looking at him
Likewise in his Twitter avatar, he’s looking at the Queen, who again, isn’t even looking at him.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Piers Morgan is such a fecking waste of space…
In that photo it’s fitting that neither Ronaldo nor the beautiful woman are even looking at him
Likewise in his Twitter avatar, he’s looking at the Queen, who again, isn’t even looking at him.
The grimace on Ronaldo’s face says it’s all.
Dont understand the hate he gets. He has done better than Emery and Wenger in his final seasons. There is actually come belief among Arsenal fans. He has already picked up a trophy & with a core of around 13 players, only two of which were over 24 years old, almost nicked 4th place ahead of Spurs.
Mind you this year is a big year for Arteta. People are talking about the fact we will have more games to play this year, and we know this, which is why this season the incomings are Jesus, Vieira, Saliba, and outgoing Lacazette. We will sign more players, two at least & aside form Pepe, there doesn't appear to be any major outgoings form the first team asdie from the loanees.
Much of our progress will come form the players already at the club. Saka, Odegaard, ESR, Martinelli need to go to the next level. White and Gabriel need to build on thier partnership, which they will need to as Saliba is a fantastic young defender.
the CL places will be between Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea and Tottenham. I dont know why Arsenal are being written off. Its the kind of commentary you would expect from someone as dense as Gary Neville. W=Tottenham piped us by 2 points and Chelsea by 5. Were not talking 20 point deficits here.
Mind you this year is a big year for Arteta. People are talking about the fact we will have more games to play this year, and we know this, which is why this season the incomings are Jesus, Vieira, Saliba, and outgoing Lacazette. We will sign more players, two at least & aside form Pepe, there doesn't appear to be any major outgoings form the first team asdie from the loanees.
Much of our progress will come form the players already at the club. Saka, Odegaard, ESR, Martinelli need to go to the next level. White and Gabriel need to build on thier partnership, which they will need to as Saliba is a fantastic young defender.
the CL places will be between Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea and Tottenham. I dont know why Arsenal are being written off. Its the kind of commentary you would expect from someone as dense as Gary Neville. W=Tottenham piped us by 2 points and Chelsea by 5. Were not talking 20 point deficits here.
When people say more games, they don't mean just players. Biggest issue with more games is lack of preparation time. Arteta had a week to prepare for each game, now he will barely get time to prepare for league game.
He is a good man, and I like the way they are building the squad, a successful project in the next years
Emery only had 1 full season at Arsenal, and it was better than either of Arteta's two full seasons (more points, better goal difference, Europa League final).
Arteta picked up a trophy in his first six months, with a squad that his defenders say was actually terrible and needed to be torn apart and rebuilt. Since he's began to rebuild the squad in his image, Arsenal have won nothing. You can present this as favorable to Arteta, but another person could see it very differently.
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Well you are fighting for places among 5,6,7,8 again. Not top 4. Come back when you finish above 5th with arteta as your manager.
The worrying thing with Arteta is that the team of players cost so much money, yet the team is still extremely average. Arteta has done a remarkable job of lowering expectations. He has done worse than Emery yet is allowed to spend far more money. The club would have been far better and benefitted more by backing Emery.
The cost of the players currently at the club, not including home grown players values is £396m. The team still being mediocre after that amount of money spent is crazy and the way Arteta is given so much leeway is baffling.
Fabio Viera £31.5m
Matt Turner £5.7m
Marquinhos £3.15m
White £52.65m
Odegaard £31.5m
Ramsdale £25m
Tomiyasu £16.7m
Lokonga £15.75m
Tavares £7.2m
Trusty £1.6m
Partey £45
Gabriel £23.4m
Mari £5.4m
Pepe £72m
Saliba £27m
Tierney £24.3m
Martinelli £6.4m
Runarsson £1.8m
The cost of the players currently at the club, not including home grown players values is £396m. The team still being mediocre after that amount of money spent is crazy and the way Arteta is given so much leeway is baffling.
Fabio Viera £31.5m
Matt Turner £5.7m
Marquinhos £3.15m
White £52.65m
Odegaard £31.5m
Ramsdale £25m
Tomiyasu £16.7m
Lokonga £15.75m
Tavares £7.2m
Trusty £1.6m
Partey £45
Gabriel £23.4m
Mari £5.4m
Pepe £72m
Saliba £27m
Tierney £24.3m
Martinelli £6.4m
Runarsson £1.8m
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You're missing Cedryc, who cost around 5m.
And how does that compare to the costs of the rest of the top 6 squads if you want to do it that way?
Cedric was a free was he not?
I am comparing his spending and league finishes to his predecessor Emery. Arteta falls short of Emery performance wise, yet has a more expensive squad and much more transfer backing.
Like I said, Arteta gets a ridiculous amount of leeway and has managed to lower everyones expectations, yet Wenger and Emery were "not good enough" and most pundits and fans alike wanted them replaced. This being while both outperforming Arteta considering the transfer backing.
Also lets compare the costs to the rest of the big 6. Arteta and Arsenal have outspent Liverpool and Spurs in the last 5 years.
I don't mind though, you can keep defending him all you want, but he is just not good enough, but hopefully expectations stay low because it prevent's the club from progressing.
But your list includes Pepe, who accounts for a lot of that spend and isn't an Arteta signing?
My favorite part was the inclusion of Trusty
He's this close to add up the cost of fresh towels in the dressing room.OK, a couple of observations then.
You have totalled up the amount spent on the current Arsenal squad, not just the players signed by Arteta. Then you compare them to the spend of Spurs & Liverpool the last 5 years, not the cost of their squad, which is a different set of circumstances again.
Emery didn't get sacked because he was 5th & lost a Europa League final. Emery got sacked because Arsenal tactically were all over the place, they were in free fall, and they were conceding 30 shots a game against the likes of Watford, but more importantly, lost the dressing room and quite wrongly became a figure of fun in the dressing room and in the media. Now, everyone realises that Arteta was very lucky to keep his job when he was in a similar situation at the end of 2020.
Plus, how the team and club is viewed from a few years ago is different to now, hence the shifting in strategies.
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Just checked transfermarket, you're right, he was.
Yes emery had some horrible games but so has arteta. You are portraying as if arteta delivers tactical masterclass every game. You have become even more boring to watch than in emery times and play such a drab football more often than not.
You may not want to accept it but Arteta has been protected big time which by the way we rival fans are happy about. Long stay Arteta at Arsenal for all I care.
I don't think I've ever called Artetas tactics as a masterclass for any game, never mind every game. I've also just literally said in my previous post that he was lucky to survive that awful start to the previous season so I know he's been protected by the owners much more than Emery has.
I've also said many times I feel sorry for Emery, because one he didn't deserve the treatment he got, and two, he didn't have control over who was brought in like Arteta & Edu have because that was under Sanllehi.
What a strange take. We are discussing Arteta in a thread dedicated to Arteta (many managers have threads dedicated to them, especially our historic rivals) and you call that obsessed?
Bruv, if someone replies to a post where you say Arteta is lucky to have kept his job with “you portray Arteta as delivering a tactical Masterclass every game”, there’s no possibility of a real discussion taking place.
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Big spender this guy isn't he?
Pressure on.
Pressure on.
Piers Morgan is such a fecking waste of space…
In that photo it’s fitting that neither Ronaldo nor the beautiful woman are even looking at him
Likewise in his Twitter avatar, he’s looking at the Queen, who again, isn’t even looking at him.
While we look at him on an Internet forum.
Still need to bring in a LB and CM in this window, may be a back up GK and RW if Leno and Pepe leave. Edu will be busy.
I was including the value of the signings still at the club, because Arteta still benefits from them signings regardless of how good they actually are.
I was mainly looking at the gorgeous woman.
I glanced at Piers but quickly looked away again.
He’s a useless twat, should be fired out of a cannon… into something.
The other thing you have done is include new signings, without them having a chance to actually play and influence the team.
1. What's the cost of United, City and Chelsea's squad? I'd imagine all those squads are far more expensive
2. Most of these players were replacing old past it players
3. Most of Arteta's signings have been relatively good players
4. These players weren't his buys and were part of the 12th place Arsenal side he took over:
Pepe £72m
Saliba £27m
Tierney £24.3m
Martinelli £6.4m
Runarsson £1.8m
You're happy our manager is backed over the descenting players and allowed to rebuild and enforce a new culture. I'm happy you let the dressing room down tools and sack at least your last 3 managers. I'm also happy your entitled fans seem to think your manager should be sacked if he doesn't get at least 4th place despite the major issues with your squad. Long may that continue. It wouldn't have ever happened under SAF and it currently won't happen under Arteta. I believe there's something to say for that.
Okay I am sorry. The Arteta excuses will be used as usual when he fails though.
"Every team above us spent more money", is an excuse that will wear thin pretty easily. I just don't understand why when Wenger and Emery were not excused like Arteta.
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Emery finished 5th the season before Arteta arrived. They have then went on to spend £300m to finish 8th and 5th in his two full seasons. So Arsenal have not even improved under Arteta but have spent a fortune in that time.
Man United finished 4th the season before SAF came in. They sacked Atkinson because they were mid-table, then Fergie took them to 12th place. Fergie then finished 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th, 2nd before finally winning a title. HE was spending large amounts for the league throughout his tenure but by your logic you would of sacked him in his first 3 1/2 seasons. And by all accounts he was close to being sacked if not for Mark Robbins keeping him in the FA Cup and then winning it.
We finished 5th under Emery, but A) Our expected points was allot lower than 5th B) most of our points came when Ramsey started. Ramsey and Kosceilny then left
We were 12th place when Arteta took over and we were in freefall. Our best player in Ozil had essentially gone on strike. Ramsey had left. Our best CB of many years priorin Kosceilny had left. We were in complete and utter disseray and our 12th place in the league absolutely reflected our level rather than the prior years finish.
As for spending. You're ignoring wages. We've massively reduced our wage bill. While Ronaldo is costing you 52 million in wages over 2 seasons alone. Varane will cost 70.7million over 4 years. That's over 120 million on 2 players wages and you're acting like Arsenal are spending more money than United on players. Not to mention the huge wages Rashford and Martial are on.
He wasn't even spending the most ffs. Newcastle, Blackburn and even Liverpool from late 80s to mid 90s spent more money
87-95 Utd 45m€, Newcasle 66m€, Blackburn 54m€, Nottingham 32,5m€ , Liverpool 65m, Arsenal 44m€, Leeds 28,5m€
After winning the stanley cup and superbowl, Stan Kroenke must be really appreciated the lecture on how to manage a sport team in EPL and how to set expectation on manager. Arteta must be really good at lowering Josh Kroenke's expectation as he just said he is super happy with the progress Arteta made.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/a...arteta-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics
A good read for Arteta's tactic.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/a...arteta-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics
A good read for Arteta's tactic.
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Do you have a citation or a set of data that shows the relationship between 'Expected Points' and 'the actual outcomes of football'?
Expected Points is completely fecking useless. 'Expected Points' for Liverpool in 18-19 were 14 less than what they actually got. Did that change the next season? No, they got 25 more than expected and won the PL.
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OK, I'll try and explain it as best as I see it.
Firstly, let me state that not everyone is Wenger Out, and not everyone is Arteta In. These views aren't unanimous.
I think the Wenger Out lot, and let's be honest many of the rival fans and media, seen Wenger as being past his best, that his tactics were a bit outdated, and we needed a modern coach with modern ideas to help us compete with the likes of Klopp & Pep.
His last few transfer windows were poor, including spending £90M or so on Xhaka, Mustafi and Perez, and then spending £50M on Lacazette only to spend another £50M on Aubameyang 6 months later. You could see this regression on the park, sliding from a Champions League club to 5th and then to 6th, and attending the games themselves were becoming poisonous because of the whole Wenger In vs Wenger Out. It seemed change had to happen to try and unite the club again, as a divided club tends to not be a successful club. The general feeling was sthat the club was underachieving I think, & that with a couple of additions, and new modern coaching, we'd be back up there.
Emery came in, and like I have said countless times, done ok. He got a raw deal from the fans, the players, from Sanllehi and the media. You seen even last season, The Good Ebening still comes out when talking about him. But sometimes when it unravels quick like that, there's just a feeling there's no way back, and that was the general feeling with Emery unfortunately.
Now, as for Arteta, apparently he was Josh Kronke's pick when Wenger was leaving, but he allowed Sanllehi & Gazidas to call the shots. Now he's more active, you can see how they like a young coach they can get behind with their other sports franchises and they like to back them. It was probably Josh that kept Arteta in the job when he was struggling back in 2020. A lot of the crowd wanted him gone (some still do).
However, I also think a lot of the crowd realise that there was something more deep rooted wrong than just changing a coach, buying a couple of players and that would solve all issues. There was an understanding that we had been run poor for a good few years, that the transfer business of those years was shocking, we had a lot of upheaval with Wenger, Gazidas, Emery, Minsilat, Sanllehi all coming in and leaving, & a lot of money was wasted and perhaps we just needed continuity and give a manager a chance to build something.
Now, believe it or not, Arteta isn't getting backed blindly. Football fans in general aren't stupid, they tend to continue to back a manager when they see progress, and they tend to be on a managers back if things stall or regress. From 8th, 8th to 5th doesn't sound big progress, but from 58 points to 69 points is ok. From everything we are hearing behind the scenes, even from your own Rio, the club seem united again off the park. I'm not a match going fan as I live in Scotland, but the atmosphere at the ground is apparently much better, there is a better connection between the team and the players. I think we can see a team that's starting to show promise, but a squad that is severely lacking in quality depth.
The next question is can we continue to show progress, improve the squad further, therefore improving the points total, get further on in the cups and in Europe, because if he doesn't, then yeah, the support will be on his back.
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Pressure on him is huge now. No top 4 this season and he should be out.
If we don't start well, which we have in recent seasons made a habit of, he could face some major turbulence before Christmas itself.
Arsenal playing mighty FC Nürnberg right now for a preseason friendly. The "Glubb" has already scored 5 (3-5 to Arsenal 
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