That is a deal between Edu and Nketiah's agent. My guess is he has similar offer from other clubs (for free transfer) so Arsenal has to match or better it. 100k/week for a striker in Arsenal seems reasonable to me.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Not bad work if you can get it! 
If they get Raphinha and Gabriel they might be top 3 quality.
No chance, their underlying stats in the best season they've had in a while are no where close to Spurs who finished 4th. I predict they'll regress this season come in 6th / 7th.
In fact I think Spurs might finish 3rd this year if Conte doesn't implode.
What underlying stats can I ask?
If he gets Jesus and Raphina and still doesn't finish top four surely, surely all excuses are out?
Aren’t you and spurs strengthening? How is it an expectation for him to finish top 4?
Because he'd have spent close to half a billion if the rumoured transfers happen (adding Martinez to the rumours list too).
How much backing does he need until he starts getting results?
Neither player moves the needle. Raphinha also plays in the same position as their best player.
Is it not rumored that you'll be spending £200M as well?
If spend money can get top 4 then it should be easy for Man Utd.
Utterly bizarre reply . Manchester United were second two years back and then sacked their manager next season when they were not where they should have been so not sure what that has to do with Arteta
No. I am just saying if spend money get can top 4 or even the league title, then club like Man Utd with its resource should be easy, and we know this is not as simple as that.
If he gets those players plus Martinez (or some other left sided defender) then I think he has no possible excuses in terms of opportunity to build his squad and compete. I won't say it should be top four or the sack, completely black and white, because a million things can happen in football (massive injury crisis, or you can have a very good year and get 77 points and a cup and still plausibly miss out on top four, etc). But I think its definitely at the point where its no longer about squad building and transitioning from the dysfunctional post-Wenger years for Arsenal, its about finding a manager who can deliver results with a pretty talented, coherent squad that a lot of money has been spent rebuilding. Artetas still needs to prove that he can get those results and if he doesn't we should find somebody else.
45m for Gabriel Jesus, looks 10-15m too much, not good enough for top 4 club.
He's better than martial and rashford.
Seems like a fair price to me
On last seasons form definitely.
Doesn't change my opinion that Jesus is not that good.
I don't think so, we'll see!
he is certainly not a player I'd spunk my money on.
I agreed given he has only 1 year left in his contract, but Arsenal is desperate for striker so need to over pay.
Martinez (or other cover at LB/CM) + RW and it will have been a very good transfer window. Shift Pepe, renew Saka and it's perfection !
Going to need to look at a good RB cover straight in January to prepare for Cedric's exit who i think won't survive another full season here.
Arteta's target has to be CL qualification wether it's top 4 or EL win with a team mostly built by him and Edu.
Going to need to look at a good RB cover straight in January to prepare for Cedric's exit who i think won't survive another full season here.
Arteta's target has to be CL qualification wether it's top 4 or EL win with a team mostly built by him and Edu.
we too light in quality for CM. This should be the priority after Jesus.
Unfortunately I think it’s an area overlooked especially when Elneny has his contract renewed. Wish we got bissouma, the perfect signing. Now I guess we should target Tielemans… but the signals are stronger for Raphina or an equivalent player rather than Cm….
Adrien Rabiot is on the market for 15M. May be an option other than Tielemans. He is a current French International. Not sure if Arsenal can meet his wage demand.
Shit, on current form half the Caf are better than Martial or Rashford. That said, I think if Rashford rediscovers old form, he’s comfortably better. Martial looks like a lost cause, but stranger things have happened.
Either way, I don’t think Jesus is much good. Better than what they have but still not very good. Made to look better by the ridiculously good football city play.
People underrate Jesus, he's got a great all round game - he'll be a good signing for Arsenal and might surprise a few. £45m is a pretty good fee for City too for a player who'd likely not get as much game time next season and would leave for a free at the end of it.
They'll certainly be an interesting watch next season if all their transfers go through.
They'll certainly be an interesting watch next season if all their transfers go through.
why him when you can get Tielemans or bissuoma for £25? I know he won’t strengthen the midfield after the Vieira signing. This is what annoys me the most.
Rabiot has higher work rate and physically stronger than Tielemans. He is a French international starting for france. For 15m it is a good deal.
How do you 'know' this.
Usual ones like open play xg, open play xGA, PPDA. Take a look at zones of control as well.
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/06/english-premier-league-2021-22-stats
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/Premier-League-Stats
A good 10-15% difference between Spurs and Arsenal in both xG and xGA. Infact Arsenal open play xG in one of their best seasons recently is the same as United who had an utter dogshit season.
Actually something interesting I noticed was the open play xg diff - you scored 39G from ~49 xG. That is some Brighton level of luck / poor finishing. Most other teams are about on par with their xG total. Wonder if anyone has thoughts there.
Don't get this.
You are saying that Arsenal scored 39G from 49xG so doesn't that mean that underlying stats are actually better but for some reason they could not convert chances.
What thoughts? That Arsenal need better finishers? Yes, we've had that thought. We were playing most of the season without a striker. Thats the reason we're after Jesus and Raphinia.
Both can be true.
Open play xG, xA are 10-15% less than Spurs.
Off the chances you created, poor finishing has lead to fewer goals than expected.
I do wonder if it's some technical issue around how xG is computed. I can't get an open play xG stat from fbref but the G - xG (61G, 59.9 xG) isn't as significant on fbref.
Gabiel Jesus, who I don’t rate particularly but it’s a very good signing for them, which allow to consolidate the 3th/5th place in the league
1. City
2. Liverpool
3. Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal
1. City
2. Liverpool
3. Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal
Thanks for these, yeah, I think it depends on what these sites use to calculate xG.
This site has Arsenal above Spurs for xG for instance.
https://footystats.org/england/premier-league/xg
Anyway, I don't think it's a big surprise Spurs had a higher xG, they have a couple of world class players at the top end of the pitch that helps with that.
We know we need to improve chance creation and finishing, it's why we are targeting players at the top end of the pitch to help with that. Not sure the players Spurs are targeting move the needle that much for them in terms of that, but they should certainly make them a more solid and rounded team.
Unrelated, what's the plan for Raphinha given you have Saka who's nailed down the starting RW spot? I'd say LW is in more of a flux right now, not entirely convinced by either Martinelli or ESR.
Odegaard looks good so I think attacking mid is nailed and Vieira seems like he'll provide competition there.
They really seem to be going for it, huh?
United came 2nd one year ago not two, and the season before, they finished 3rd.
As you can see there is no end to excuses for Arteta. Absolutely incredible if you ask me the man has been backed like no other Arsenal manager ever and he’s been given time like no other PL manager of a top club I can think of yet expectations remain in the toilet. Some black magic at play here.
Jesus ain't even a striker either, even on record saying he doesn't prefer the striker no9 role.
Not sure if he the striker they are looking. But he be a upgrade anywhere on the front the line to what they have I guess
Not sure if he the striker they are looking. But he be a upgrade anywhere on the front the line to what they have I guess