Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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I think so too. It's hard to know what to think Arsenal's expectations should be nowadays and how they go about getting better. The fans want consistent top 4 finishes and title challenges/ trophies when they're up against City, Liverpool, and to a lesser extent, Chelsea, and they also have to compete with Spurs, United and now the 'new oil club on the block' Newcastle. You'd need a truly outstanding manager/infrastructure to compete against all that. As a club I just don't see them competing.
You also have to take into account someone else like a Wolves or West Ham flirting with a top four finish as well.
They have exceeded my expectations for them (I didn’t think they’d get top six I don’t think) but this was a big opportunity missed. Just one win against someone like Brighton or Southampton would’ve made all the difference. They did the hard work beating Chelsea, United and West Ham.
Klopp and Guardiola didn't even really that much time. Klopp got them 4th/CL qualification in his first full season. Then upon returning to the CL, got them to the final in his first try. Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season (10 points higher than the previous one) and the next season won the PL with 100 points.
This. It annoys me so much when people point to Klopp at Liverpool as a model of how managers need time. Their progress was quick and linear.
Yes they did indeed needed time to bring in better players to play the way they wanted to play in many positions. But till that they improved their teams,irrespective of signings.
Conte and tuchel too did improve their teams and they knew what they have to do even before took their respective jobs. Tuchel now earned that trust from board to fans because what he did in his half season took over the team from 9 th place to finish in top 4 and also won cl.
So why I am not a fan of managers need time myth. Yes they needed time but only through merit and how they performed at their new job. Klopp and pep did take time though they did great in their previous jobs,they are improving the team immediately when they took over.
Exactly visible improvement in style and improving individual playing staffs is must for any one.We should not ask for any manager to come and fight toe to toe with pep and klopp for title. Eth not exception either. He need to improve playing style of man utd and players should know their role and shouldnt look like clueless.I wont question arteta if it was his first year. He had enough time to make things work.
Problem is now newcastle united came to party and want to fight for top in this pl food chain.Managers wont get breathing space.If you excusing arteta now then what will you say next season.With punishing europa league on the horizon if you failed it will damage further for your lot to get into top 4 with emerging newcastle united.
Forget the time, they were backed and allowed to overhaul the whole squad within two seasons. You either let a manager do that in his first summer or you give him 4 years to do that. Giving time and being backed are the same thing.
You just going through all the rival threads to deflect from another defeat sir?
Good tactic.
We had our worst season in 30 years and you had your best season of the past 4, and we still both qualified for Europa League! Our loss today was inconsequential, as was your win.You just going through all the rival threads to deflect from another defeat sir?
Good tactic.
We failed upwards!
Thanks for the summary FC, didn't realise any of this!
Nothing to do with what I posted though eh?
They finished with the same rewards as us
They finished with the same rewards as us
After celebrating beating united as if they'd got it in the bag
69 points
It was banter, which is what i assume the purpose of your post was!Thanks for the summary FC, didn't realise any of this!
Nothing to do with what I posted though eh?
To be fair, this season has ranged from hell to purgatory for United fans so we are just happy that worst case scenario didn't happen today. Plus, it is kinda fun to laugh at Arteta too.
I'd say finishing 5th with 69 points is solid for them, but finishing 5th after being 4th with 4 points more than Spurs with 3 games to go is a failure. They won't be too happy with the season but it's good enough for Arteta to continue.
Feel sorry for them really, a club like Arsenal shouldn’t spend so long out the Champions League. That said it is very funny.
Ach, we're fair game for it as well I suppose. Wish both clubs could be bantering up at the top of the league again rather than 5th & 6th.
It's incredible how so many people believe in Arteta. The copium from many Arsenal fans is just too much , i don't know how they can do it.
The very competition they've been trying to escape was now their goal. 6 seasons outside of the Champions league. How can they just accept this? Trusting such a crucial sporting project to an inexperienced manager. The club's standarts were truly lowered
The very competition they've been trying to escape was now their goal. 6 seasons outside of the Champions league. How can they just accept this? Trusting such a crucial sporting project to an inexperienced manager. The club's standarts were truly lowered
Speaking with Arsenal-fans online, and it seems to me that many of them really has bought into this mindset that Arteta is transforming Arsenal and whatnot, so the results can be excused etc.
Incredible how he managed to get the fanbase into buying his "stuff", while delivering "meh" football and results, but creds to him for the former.
Incredible how he managed to get the fanbase into buying his "stuff", while delivering "meh" football and results, but creds to him for the former.
Well, I couldn’t gloat at you more because if they finished fourth, you would have had to be my squire for the rest of the tenure on caf. Regardless, they had a much better season and you were completely wrong and I was completely right. I know more people taught the same as you, so you are not alone. I don’t have time to look for their names…I might still do that though…I just ask that you and the other to be humble and expand my name throughout the forum.
Arteta did an amazing job this season. Credit should be given where credit is due. You can laugh at me for being right again.
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My god you’re a piece of work, aren’t you?
I was getting a lot stick of my opinion back then as I always do. I will head to the conte thread next just to see who else I have been completely right about. But, that will be later. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how they progress next season. They have the poorest squad of the top six, so they will really need to add more quality if they want to be in contender for top four again next season. Gabriel Jesus might be a good fit for their system
Arsenal have a squad with young players in crucial roles. But they have a clear playing style and can't do much better that. They are where they should be in the table.
I think offensive minded managers get a lot of stick for some reason.
Maybe you could get better results in the short term playing defensive conter attack football, but that is food today and famine tomorrow.
I think offensive minded managers get a lot of stick for some reason.
Maybe you could get better results in the short term playing defensive conter attack football, but that is food today and famine tomorrow.
Interesting. After spending so much money in the last few years that’s a damning indictment of whichever manager Arteta took over from this season.
Tbh so was i as I convinced myself we'll be as good as Porto was with his players inI feel attacked here. I was gutted when we sacked AVB
I think the general point I was making is that there's been a culture/stigma in English football of supporting mediocrity to say "look I'm not a gloryhunter" which in turn allows owners like Kroenke and The Glazers to take the piss to the levels they do.
Well done, they have finished one position better than Manchester United who were a trainwreck, and finished behind Spurs and Chelsea who had terrible season.
Quote me again when he gets sacked next year.
That's a fair observation but how does it apply to Arteta maybe I can be convinced that Arteta is very good manager with potential to be great but nobody can convince me that Arteta is offensive minded manager based on his tenure so far that would require suspension of belief .
What makes Arteta an “offensive minded” manager? They scored 61 league goals last season with a tonne of them from set pieces. They regularly look absolutely tumescent.
Being Pep's assistant.
Being Pep's assistant automatically makes you immune to criticism and to have media back you up saying you're building a project and that suddenly, EL is an excellent goal to pursue.
Emery got sacked for 7 winless matches.
Tbh so was i as I convinced myself we'll be as good as Porto was with his players in
I think the general point I was making is that there's been a culture/stigma in English football of supporting mediocrity to say "look I'm not a gloryhunter" which in turn allows owners like Kroenke and The Glazers to take the piss to the levels they do.
Yeah the 'get behind the manager at all costs' mantra was always a weird thing silly fans used to use to prove who is/isn't a proper fan. It was particular bad back then when even daring to point out something negative about a manager or the team was akin to blasphemy
It's not really like that these days I don't think. With Chelsea it seemed die a slow death under Mourinho 2.0. All of Conte, Sarri, Lampard and Tuchel have had pockets of online agenda merchants sewing negativity almost from the moment they walked through the doors.
Some of you are clearly confusing efficience with style.
You took too much time to type it when PRteta is all it takes.