Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Yeah, the age thing is annoying. As though he’s done something nobody has ever done before in taking a squad of such unprecedented youth to the giddy heights of 4th or 5th in the league.
Especially irritating to see it repeatedly trotted out on this website, which is dedicated to a team that did even better in this regard, just over two years ago. And we all know how that ended…
If there’s anything funnier than Arteta and his awful interviews, it’s the small horde of Arsenal fans on this board, writing long paragraphs and continually moving the goalposts based on each result.
He knows Arteta doesn't trust him. He wouldn't replace Perma-tan White nor Gabriel -- both signed by Arteta. Makes no sense for him to come back.
Funny thing is that I think Saliba has a much higher ceiling than the two current incumbents. But what do I know, I ain't no mini-Pep.
Im glad our teams and fans can keep each others amused. That's how far we've both fallen I suppose, we need to rely on other teams failings for our joy just now.
To be fair, that started with Wenger, and probably rightly so with the new money coming into the league/football in general and Arsenal being unable to compete with that. You’ve sacked better managers because the fans were not willing to be reasonable about the change in status-quo
Just wait until they go on a run again.
It's exactly the same as it was when we had Ole.
To be fair to Ole, he finished 3rd and 2nd and got to a EL final. And our board room and upper management are an absolute shambles.
Arteta has managed 8th and 5th.
One quality of a good side is the ability to punch above their weight and over achieve. when a manager can get that out of his side I struggle to rate him.
Fans posting long essays, moving goalposts etc.
He's certainly right about changing the expectations
This is a United forum.
He's certainly right about changing the expectations
Memories of when United played with vibes
Arteta has always set me on edge, after reading that he used player fines while Arsenal captain to buy Ivan Gazidis a fancy watch. It's the work of an absolute wrong 'un.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-arsene-wenger-could-quit-11806984
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenals-arsene-wenger-could-quit-11806984
What are you on about? I responded saying Arsenal fans are posting similar things that were posted about Ole when he was here. Both are/were out of their depth and nowhere near good enough. I have zero fecks what you're rabbiting on about laddo.
He's certainly right about changing the expectations
This is embarrassing. But I don't blame him either, he knows most arsenal fans buy whatever he says. They will call this PC a progress.
And unless you instantly win things under ETH, you'll likely have the same discussions as to how its going, as that's the only real measure of success.
And finished 2nd. Ole had to go but he atleast gave some results to back his tenure. Arteta has done absolutely nothing.Memories of when United played with vibes
Nah, most understand a huge rebuild is required and I think patience will be afforded to ETH. You would have to be deluded to think he's going to win anything anytime soon. Sure, we might get lucky and win a domestic cup, but that's about it. The difference is; ETH looks like he is capable of building something good, whereas with Ole, it was obvious that he was nowhere near good enough. He was still afforded plenty of patience, by virtue of the fact that he lasted 3-years.
Yup, Ole was shite but still done better at United, than Arteta has at Arsenal. I think Arteta will get sacked next season tbh.
It’s fairly simple. Not sure why you’re struggling to understand.
Ole finished 3rd and 2nd and got to a EL final. You’d expect United fans, on a United board, to write about it at length, and make excuses for any shit performances.
Do you understand that?
Still no idea what you're on about.
Fans are posting the exact same things about two managers who are/were out of their depth.
No idea why you took such offence to a totally innocuous comment tbh
While they exceeded my expectations ( I had them finishing 6th), they've also blown their best chance at qualifying for the Champions League since 2016. This season may also be their best chance qualifying for the Champions League for a long time.
I’m not offended - I’m trying to explain, but I don’t think you’re getting it so never mind.Still no idea what you're on about.
Fans are posting the exact same things about two managers who are/were out of their depth.
No idea why you took such offence to a totally innocuous comment tbh
I wouldn't bet on that. Arteta has absolute backing of the board and even if he finishes 7th next season, Arsenal fans and board will call it progress. At least with Ole, united fans (at least most) called him out. With Arteta he is priveleged and not many will call him out unless he takes Arsenal to 15th or 16th.
I think you totally over-thought and over-analyzed a completely innocuous comparison. But hey, such is life.
I certainly wouldn't bet on it, but I see it as a plausible scenario. There's no way they're finishing 4th/5th again next season imo; so unless they possibly win a cup, it will probably be some form of regression.
I agree. I will not lie and say that I'm not enjoying it, but Arsenal under Arteta has had a major drop in standards and it is this drop that makes some to look favorable on him. Any big club, from Liverpool (pre Klopp) to even Spurs would have sacked a manager that comes 8th and then 8th and then in the most favorable opportunities of all, misses 4th. Even rookies or half decent managers are usually capable of taking advantage of opportunities, like Ole getting 3ed and 2ed, or Ranieri wining the league.
Arsenal are in big trouble imo. by allowing a poor manager to build a squad that will most likely be not good enough by the standards of a real manager and, they will have to replace players all over again. In the mean time, the quality youngsters at the club are most likely getting offers to leave.
I can see him getting sacked just before the World Cup.
He's certainly right about changing the expectations
He needs to bring Jessie "the vibes" Lingard to Arsenal. Maybe those silly light blue dance floor hoodies can be their pre-match entrance attire.
So how much patience do you offer ETH? What is his targets? Must he get top 4 next season?
The Emirates is his dance floor after all
Be a huge disapointment if he didn't. And he certainly wouldn't survive finishing 8th twice. Possibly not even once.
If I was a United fan I'd be expecting him to replace all the shit in the starting lineup (United generate enough to do that in one window) and be at the minimum in the top four comfortably.
I think English fans in general give their managers easy rides (the average Chelsea fan was just as bad with Frank and even AVB, likewise Liverpool fans with Kenny/Brendan) it's just unfortune for you guys and United that you have parasite owners willing to exploit that.
The patience with manager myth was invented by Fergie/Wenger era journos. And chelsea was ruthless with managers under roman they came up with this idea by giving time to managers will be good.
But you can give time to pep/klopp like managers because they proved themselves they have the ability to turn things around before their current jobs. But not rookie managers like Lampard,ole,arteta. They certainly not proven before. And pl is not the place to try things at top level.
Can't stand the guy and his embarrassing antics the way he constantly makes gestures to roar the crowd and his incredbly annoying way of running around on the sidelines clapping his hands like a toddler. The way they celebrated after beating us recently as if they had just won the CL. I'm glad he will most likely have failed massively come tommorrow.
Your getting to my point. Ole isn't rated on here, Arteta isn't rated on here, fair enough.
Arteta hasn't matched Emerys points total yet for Arsenal, we keep being reminded of that.
So, by the same token, ETH to needs to better Ole's Champions league quarter final, Europa League final and 3rd and 2nd place finishes?
But if by a couple of seasons he's not done that, then give him longer purely because he's got a bit of a track record at Ajax?
He's certainly right about changing the expectations
Always feel when a manager is speaking like this a lot, trying to make out theyve improved the club, brought a mentality, Vibe back, deflecting from the fact they are massively underwhelming, and also doing s disservice to the fact they are a massive club,.......it's the end days.
He's talked some crap this last couple days.
Actually impressive the mind spell he done on the ex players and the media. Bizarre actually when I compare to how we get treated from media etc and how even most our own fans hold the club to the high standards, either you are winning big prizes or you are gone as wee seen with Ole in the end. Least he hit the league targets, arteta been woeful for 3 seasons now in the league outside of the FA cup win, but would give their ex striker most that credit.
Yes, Hag will need to get in the high places, and win trophies or he's done too, it's that simple.
That not my benchmark straight away, but I know for a fact he needs to be ticking these boxes and giving is a league challenge inside 2 maybe 3 seasons or most the fans won't be happy about it.
He won't get no help from the media either.
To be honest yous get it good. You even got fans like yourself Happy enough with arteta who's been average to shite in my opinion.