Where have all of the ‘trust the process’ people gone?
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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Not sure about the speaking but his gesturing on the touchline seems very fake - almost as if he’s trying to imitate what the top managers like Pep or Klopp or Conte do.
Never forget that he promised Willian they would win the CL together. 
Yeah it just seems off, almost creepy at times, just so stilted.
Why is everyone confident that spurs won't spur the final game ?
It's not rocket science really. If a manager gets the target by the board, improves league position & improves points position, then they are generally safe.
If they fall below that, if they regress, then his position is under real threat. Like nearly all managers out there
He might be our Ole, as everyone keeps saying in fact, he probably will be our Ole. Because 95% off the managers end up regressing at some point & being sacked. The Klopp, Peps & Fergie are very few & far between. Even got Wenger in the end.
More likely it'll take time for Arsenal fans to realise that he isn't that good a manager.
They don't play attractive football. Their football under Arteta has generally been mechanical and dull. This season there have been spells of football that is better to watch, but any manager (even our managers who didn't work out) has those phases when things fall in place. It's the bare minimum to get some collective spirit and decent football here and there.
It's not. You could say that they've done alright and taken a minor step forward to get 5th but it is not a "major achievement" in any shape or form. It wasn't when Leicester blew 4th spot and it isn't now that Arsenal have.
Cause Conte -> Lego Pep
And even if they Spurs it, I think there is every chance Everton get something at Arsenal.
Probably because it's Norwich, they have Conte and they have momentum.
I'd say it's possible but they are overwhelming favourites now.
can see Everton turning them over anyway
but Spurs have Norwich who are already on the beach
feck me we made that mistake.
When it’s obvious a manager aint up to it, stop expecting miracles and bring in a Conte.
This idea that tiny improvements on their own shit seasons is enough to keep them in work is just a daft waste of everyone’s time. Like Ole, Arteta still can’t even match the points total his predecessor managed the season before he took over, that should send off massive alarm bells.
The same could happen to Conte next season though. Do you think you'll finish top 4 next season? Do you think Chelsea will?
They only need a draw. They have Conte and Son/Kane in good form. Norwich are poor and already relegated.
He has one of those plastic, American TV movies, annoying kind of face.
I think he's basically done a good job because he's gotten the core players at the club in good situations where they're doing well, but if I was Edu/Arsenal I'd be very tempted to be ruthless and fire him and hire Potter before someone else does, because I don't think they control games well enough, and their goal difference shows they're lucky to even still have a shot at 4th.
They're in a decent situation though, considering they can fairly easily upgrade at fullback (Soares and Tavares could easily be on a team getting relegated, though Tavares might have potential to become decent) at CM (a full season of Elneny and Sambi Lokonga, who again might be decent but isn't yet) and Saliba apparently is already quite a CB.
Honestly, considering Partey has only started 23 times and the other 53 CM games (they play 4-2-3-1 obviously) are Xhaka, Sambi Lokonga and Elneny and you can't really expect Arteta to have done any better, but Arsenal is a big big job, so if he's like the 10th best manager in the league, it's still too big a job for him at the moment.
They're in a decent situation though, considering they can fairly easily upgrade at fullback (Soares and Tavares could easily be on a team getting relegated, though Tavares might have potential to become decent) at CM (a full season of Elneny and Sambi Lokonga, who again might be decent but isn't yet) and Saliba apparently is already quite a CB.
Honestly, considering Partey has only started 23 times and the other 53 CM games (they play 4-2-3-1 obviously) are Xhaka, Sambi Lokonga and Elneny and you can't really expect Arteta to have done any better, but Arsenal is a big big job, so if he's like the 10th best manager in the league, it's still too big a job for him at the moment.
Only Auba would really have helped. Play any of those other players even a bit and you're likely dropping points.
Still doesn't change the fact that Arteta is not that good of a manager. Ole gets mocked but even he got top 4 by beating Leicester away in a virtual KO for 4th spot. Arsenal had a chance last game against Spurs to do the same and they have failed.
Sure anything can happen. That's a bit of a weak argument for keeping a manager though.
Arteta reminds me of Houllier, except Houllier won more and did better in the league (and champions league). But similar in the sense that in hindsight it was clear that he wasn't going to take us where we wanted and we persevered too long with him.
A year from now you'll be no better off than you are now and perhaps it'll be clear to your lot too with Arteta. Worst that could happen for you really is sneaking top four next season and he'll stay even longer.
A manager good enough for where you want to be doesn't make the kind of snail's pace progress you have settled for under Arteta.
You may have a season here and there of decent when the others are bad. But you'll continue to be leap frogged the moment they get their act together, just as is happening this season with spurs.
Remind me of the extraordinary strength in depth in central midfield at the teams around them in the league?
Swap those names with the CMs at Manchester United and I have a think about how this season might have worked out for both clubs.
I predicted a couple of weeks ago (after they beat us) that Arsenal wouldn't make the CL spots. I was almost certain Newcastle would beat them and told a Spurs fan friend he didn't need to worry
That guy Ballbag is fascinating, he's apparently Spanish football expert and lives of being deeply in Pep's and Arteta's ass, excuse my French.Goosebumps ffs
They rode their luck to a ludicrous extent against both Chelsea and United. There was no way that was sustainable. Yet the media spun those bang average performances as some sort of managerial master-class from Arteta. It was bizarre.
So we are having our worst season ever yet we are only 8 points behind Arsenal?
The problem is they are quite stable in a mediocre position.
They have scored 56, 55, and 56 goals in the past 3 seasons. Basically the same number. They have conceded 48, 39, and 47. A little more variety there, but a clear reversal between last season and this one. Their GD has hovered between +8 and +16 which is not great.
I know things can take time but how many years does Arteta need for his team to start scoring goals? Under Emery they scored 73. At this point we can just say, "this is how his teams play." He can't get them to score.
If you compare this to Klopp, it's night and day. GD under Klopp went from +13 in his first season to +36 to +46. It was +4 the season before he joined. A complete and total transformation.
I really don’t understand why he was hated
You could be right about Houllier. But then you went through Rafa, went through Hodgson, Dalglish, went through Rodgers to get to really where you wanted to be in Klopp. So yeah, you got to where you wanted to be, sustained success, at the top end of the game, but it's been a journey after Houllier to get to, with some awful lows in between.
Edit: Just realised you might be counting Rafa as a big success?
He lost the dressing room. At that time the old regime thought it be easier to change the manager than the team. Anyway, he's a great cup manager. Not so much in the league.
Not a *big* success but at least in a competitive echelon.
Arteta will never be that.
I'd say it is much more likely that Arsenal lose to Everton than Spurs drop points against Norwich.
Why don't Arsenal go for one of those fancy German managers we see at Dortmund and Leipzig
I think Benitez time is romanticised a lot by his European record. He's was a great tactician in Europe, domestically I'm not sure.
He won 1 FA Cup in 6 years, didn't make it to the quarter final the other 5.
Made 1 final in the League Cup, didn't make it past the quarter final in the other 5 years.
Finished 5th, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2nd & 7th. Decent, but great?
Ralf Rangnick?
Rangnick is a bit old, the younger ones those clubs line up, they'll suit the profile of the club at least they'll get Arsenal playing fancy football.
It's utterly ridiculous given almost everyone in that squad was either signed by him or given a new deal on his watch.
Emery managed 70 points and 5th place in his first season. Doesn't get backed in the summer , things go wrong and he gets the sack. Arteta is allowed to finish 8th back to back , gets heavily backed in the summer , Rivals Leicester/United regressed and Spurs for some time underperfomed. Top 4 is given on a silver platter , they only have the league to focus and now they're hoping for relegated Norwich to beat Tottenham to maybe see if they can secure CL as there's no guarantee they won't drop points to Everton. The most points Arteta's arsenal can get is 69 , still below Emery who had europe and reached EL final
Not sure how some Arsenal fans can take Arteta seriously as a manager and he just extended...
Not sure how some Arsenal fans can take Arteta seriously as a manager and he just extended...
You're not wrong, but then again it's Spurs innit.
So happy they gave this fraud a new contract.
His best players are from their own reserves (Martinelli, Smith Rowe, Saka). His purchase of Tomiyasu and Ramsdale I feel was strong. Partey was vital in their resurgence this season too. Cannot say the same for Lokanga and Taveres. But he did not buy Pepe, he was lumbered with Aubameyang and Lacazette.
It is more than evident that the required surgery at Arsenal will take multiple windows and seasons. The improvement from 8th to 5th isn't setting the world on fire but it is a tangible one, especially when you consider his squad quality is behind City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester United.
It is no surprise to me that the team pipping top 4 was the team that was given a couple January signings to slot straight into the first XI. It gave the team a boost and they were solid purchases. Arsenal should have recruited in January in my opinion.