Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?I think the cultural reset was initiated when he moved on Guendouzi, Ozil and PEA.
All three of which had more to offer the club at the time they were moved on.
Ozil was moved on when he was clearly our most creative player, and he was absolutely no one to fill that creative void.
Guendouzi would still be our most talented young CM, and we really lack depth in that area of the field - as evidenced by us having to play El Neny at such a crucial point of the season.
PEA was clearly declining as a player, but to ship him off half way through a season when we were in the midst of a top four battle was the epitome of ballsy. Especially when Laca and Nketiah are your fallback options.
Another one is Saliba - the highly talented and touted CB who was bought for 30 million. IMO it was absolute madness shipping him off at the start of the season, only to spend 50 million on Ben White. Especially given we had a limited budget and had multiple areas that we needed to strengthen. Saliba has now been one of the premier CB's in France this season. He was ready for a full season and I believe he could have contributed, at the very least as a bench option, this season.
But for whatever reason Arteta considered all of them a distraction and moved them on.
That's the cultural reset. Players aren't going to be allowed to be distractions, they aren't going to hold power over the Manager or abide a lack of effort.
Personally I don't agree with all of these decisions, but there's been a clear direction in setting a culture. The jury is still out on whether it will work or bite us in the arse.
IMO it will be the same as ETH binning the likes of Pogba, Rashford and Lingaard.
What do you mean when you say they have “achieved the cultural reset”? What is this change you speak of?
It’s all meaningless guff really. Same stuff was said about Ole a couple of years ago with his young team and talk of “playing the United way”. Fairly sure the same “cultural reset” phrase was used when he shipped out Lukaku et al. And Ole actually made a top two finish!
And I can understand why this rubs United fans up the wrong way. It’s classic Arsenal. The British media has always been full of Arsenal fans desperate to exaggerate their achievements. Going all the way back to Wenger and the insanely over the top praise every time a bunch of their kids smashed a team of PL reserves in the league cup, en route to scraping a top four finish. It’s tiresome.
Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?
To me it looks like he has issues with managing big personalities and without that it's going to be impossible to win the big trophies. Even the youngsters, the better they do the more "personality" they will develop, offers will come in from other clubs and so on.
He shouldn't have done anything, I'm just saying it's not massively impressive, given the context.What should he have done then?
I just miss the days when both teams were actually good! One of my best friends is a gooner. After 30 years riling each other about the rivalry we’re both just a bit broken now. Two very average teams. No high ground to be taken here.
baloney. We have won more trophies than you in our terrible spell. ‘Just as shit’ get out of here
You make me laugh. I am so sure you expected Arsenal to have a great chance at Champions League qualification with 4 games to go. I am certainly not doing 'backflips', sorry you are upset that we are pleased with a bit of progression.ok mate i hope you arent crying under your bed about it….
A good example of your fans mindset and shows how small your clubs become. You were bitching about wenger ‘only finishing top4’ for 15 years. Now you are doing backflips because you might finish top 4 and had expected 8th. Like a handful of shit thats slowly sliding down the wall
Where is the bar set for you to then call it a success, it worked etc? Consistent top 4, winning titles, something else?
To me it looks like he has issues with managing big personalities and without that it's going to be impossible to win the big trophies. Even the youngsters, the better they do the more "personality" they will develop, offers will come in from other clubs and so on.
We'll likely finish 5-6 points behind Chelsea at most, a team expected to challenge Liverpool and City this season, and actually favoured to have a better season than the former by many pundits, fans, and even analysts. I'm not having this "top 4 will be decided by the least shit team" narrative. Even if that's true, we obviously have concrete plans to upgrade the squad this summer, we're not naive to think that we can compete on multiple fronts next season with the thin squad we have this season. That's why we freed up the wage bill this January which baffled a lot of people.
Have you?
Post Fergie Utd 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 Europa League.
Arsenal 4 FA Cups. You really think you've been much better than us post Fergie?
baloney. We have won more trophies than you in our terrible spell. ‘Just as shit’ get out of here
I hate to break it to you but you've had just as shit as last 8 or 9 years or so as us (our stretches even longer)
your shit spell started in 2004. What have you won since 2004 compared to us you simpleton?
This is not bought up enough ... If they keep Arteta for a couple of more years (as long as they come top-6), this team can grow into a good side. How many times can Arsenal sack a manager and then re-initiate a rebuild?The youngest team in the league
Chelsea haven't even been good this season, and have seemingly stopped giving a shit completely once top 4 was locked in. You may not be "having" it, but it's completely the case.We'll likely finish 5-6 points behind Chelsea at most, a team expected to challenge Liverpool and City this season, and actually favoured to have a better season than the former by many pundits, fans, and even analysts. I'm not having this "top 4 will be decided by the least shit team" narrative. Even if that's true, we obviously have concrete plans to upgrade the squad this summer, we're not naive to think that we can compete on multiple fronts next season with the thin squad we have this season. That's why we freed up the wage bill this January which baffled a lot of people.
The exact same thing was said under Wenger around 2008.This is not bought up enough ... If they keep Arteta for a couple of more years (as long as they come top-6), this team can grow into a good side. How many times can Arsenal sack a manager and then re-initiate a rebuild?
The best thing Arsenal can do this summer is exactly what we did in 2020, sign experience and players in or around their prime, especially in defense.
The exact same thing was said under Wenger around 2008.
Problem with these "project youths" (which the cynical side of me wonders if it really is a coincidence it got rolled out as soon as a significant number of fans started turning on Edu and Arteta) is not all of them will make the grade and the one's that do will eventually want a club to match their ambition if (as was the case with RVP, Cesc etc) the expectations don't grow alongside the players natural growth. Even now there's noises about Saka stalling on a contract.
The best thing Arsenal can do this summer is exactly what we did in 2020, sign experience and players in or around their prime, especially in defense.
You really can't argue that he isnt doing a good job there. Okay they can still be horrible but he definitely has them on the correct course. The way he was ruthless about getting rid of players is what OGS lacked. I still suspect Solskjaer lost the team because he wasnt ruthless enough.
He's done a good job this season. And it would be stupid to argue otherwise. But over the course of his spell? Not really. 8th, 8th, 4th is not something Arsenal fans should be proud of.
And the ruthlessness started this season with Auba and Willian. One can claim OGS was ruthless in his 1st summer as well - sold Sanchez, Lukaku, Smalling, etc.. But it was evident he kept a far too bloated squad this season and with us getting knocked out of LC early, there was no way he could have kept people happy
your shit spell started in 2004. What have you won since 2004 compared to us you simpleton?
Mate, the season is 38 games long and we're 34 games into it. Tuchel was trying to go for the title this season having won the CL last season. So for Arteta to get this raw sub par and dysfunctional Arsenal side to within 3 points of this Chelsea side, at this stage of the season - no matter happens next - is truly astonishing.Chelsea haven't even been good this season, and have seemingly stopped giving a shit completely once top 4 was locked in. You may not be "having" it, but it's completely the case.
Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.Mate, the season is 38 games long and we're 34 games into it. Tuchel was trying to go for the title this season having won the CL last season. So for Arteta to get this raw sub par and dysfunctional Arsenal side to within 3 points of this Chelsea side, at this stage of the season - no matter happens next - is truly astonishing.
Either Tuchel isn't a good manager in League campaigns or Arteta has over performed considerably. You cannot escape those conclusions.
You can make the case that Tuchel isn't a good manager over the course of a league season, in which case, there should be more question marks over his future should Chelsea aspire to win the title. But I'm guessing you don't want to go down that road.
The fact is, Tuchel had a superior and more experienced team at his disposal than both Arsenal and Tottenham, but the table doesn't reflect that. So it's a question for the management.
I agree that Arteta is our Ole. I 100% agree with that.Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.
Or it's a matter of context, Tuchel can still be a good manager whilst having a bad spell, Chelsea have had quite a lot happen to them this season, and their supposed star striker is a dud. Arteta is just a slightly better version of Ole, sure he is improving things, you want to give him time, but I can't see it panning out well eventually, unless your aspirations end with fighting for top 4 every season.
I think you're reading the room wrong.Are Arsenal fans annoyed they aren't getting showered with plaudits on a Utd forum again.
I don't think so, no.Are Arsenal fans annoyed they aren't getting showered with plaudits on a Utd forum again.
Should add that his greatest honour is Manager of the Month January 2019.Ole Solskjaer has been a fecking manager for over a decade. There is no comparison.
To be honest I find it hard to fathom anyone else winning the league with Klopp and Pep in it, I also have never really said anything about Tuchel in my posts(until you asked me to), I don't have a strong opinion on him, this is a thread about Arteta.I agree that Arteta is our Ole. I 100% agree with that.
But what does that mean for Tuchel's chances of winning the League title at Chelsea? You're not following the argument to its logical conclusion here.
What makes you think Tuchel can win the League title at Chelsea, having performed on-par with Arteta this season, with a superior squad at his disposal?
I just don't get why Man Utd fans cares about Arteta. Not that we are competitors for title for more than a decade already. Arteta is the head coach of Arsenal and Arsenal board is happy with him, and has zero plan to replace him this summer. Arteta is a rookie head coach/manager and Arsenal is his first job in management. He makes mistakes and he is learning on the job.I don't think so, no.
To be fair, I'd find him quite annoying if I was a rival fan too.I just don't get why Man Utd fans cares about Arteta. Not that we are competitors for title for more than a decade already. Arteta is the head coach of Arsenal and Arsenal board is happy with him, and has zero plan to replace him this summer. Arteta is a rookie head coach/manager and Arsenal is his first job in management. He makes mistakes and he is learning on the job.
the things is we are not rival to anyone anymore other than Spurs.To be fair, I'd find him quite annoying if I was a rival fan too.
Fair enough but you were making excuses for Tuchel & Chelsea's performances, whilst laying into Arteta's. It wasn't a balanced analysis at all. I am one of Arteta's biggest critics on here, and even I can see how inferior the Arsenal squad is compared to Chelsea's.To be honest I find it hard to fathom anyone else winning the league with Klopp and Pep in it, I also have never really said anything about Tuchel in my posts, I don't have a strong opinion on him, this is a thread about Arteta.
It is almost irrational how annoying he is to be fair. There's just something about him that winds me up. More so during the game, than his interviews.
I’m an Arteta fan, but I’ve noticed something that annoys me to an irrational level.It is almost irrational how annoying he is to be fair. There's just something about him that winds me up. More so during the game, than his interviews.
