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Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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They have Brighton next who are in terrible form. The perfect bounce-back opportunity.
The lack of quality up front for us is shocking. Lacazette is an awful striker and he’s about our only option. We’ve been getting away with it because individual players like Ode and Saka have been doing the business but if your striker can’t score goals you’re going to struggle. The only positive was seeing Arteta get slapped around by a real Arsenal legend playing Arsenal style football.
I don't want to piss on your parade but what if this is going to be as good as it gets? Let's say you finish 5th do you think you can finish top 4 next season?
Of course its going to be difficult. But let's face it, while Pep & Klopp are here, 2 of the top 4 positions are gone.
Chelsea we aren't sure which way will go, so your talking about them, Utd, Spurs & ourselves fighting it out for 2 positions most likely. Then in a year or 2 your likely going to have to add Newcastle in the mix.
So there will be 2 / 3 teams miss out on Champions League each season. Thats the reality of the situation now I'm afraid for supporters of these clubs unless something changes drastically.
I disagree, he's had the team playing consistently the last few months / weeks. The good thing about Arteta is that his development with Arsenal has been progressive. This season has seen far better performances than the previous two. A fall off over the next few games would be catastrophic however and it will mount up pressure given how wishy washy United, Spurs and West Ham have been.
So be it. Arsenal doesn't have the resource like Man Utd and City, and Arteta currently is not as good as Klopp who can punch above Liverpool's weight.
I can't give you alternatives or what if's, I'm not a sporting director. I'm just a fan and I don't see players progressing under Arteta, that's it. You mentioned he went all in in the market because the players he had were poor, but do you think players like White, Gabriel, Partey, Xhaka or Odegaard have improved under him this season? I don't see it, they are upgrades for sure and the table shows it, but as you said we don't have city resources, so eventually we won't be able to upgrade anymore and it's up to the manager to do what klopp has done. I haven't seen anything that convinces me arteta is that manager.
I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes a success, but I fear in a couple of years we look back and think we've wasted a few years.
My view is that the improvements are because we bought better players, not because arteta made players better or is a better tactician.
So.. by that logic United and Spurs who have the better squads should be way clear of us by now?
It doesn't work like that. How about, the results have improved because Arteta bought the players to suit his tactics, and now we're seeing results.
Last night was not good, but it won't cloud the rest of the season, unless you are some extremely reactionary fan
I don't have to bring other clubs into it when I'm judging what I see when I watch arsenal play. Most fans seem to be happy, so I guess I'll have to wait and see.
I don't think I'm reactionary at all, I've been unconvinced with arteta since day one, the same way I stuck with wenger when most wanted him out.
The issue here is you and the Arsenal board may have different interpretation on "success". I am sure there is a process internally to judge and review Arteta's performance as a head coach. If he doesn't meet the expectation, he will be sack just like any job out there. Arteta just like Conte in Spurs has to work with the constraints of the club. I don't understand the point about "wasted a few years". If it refers to league title we have wasted every year since 2004.
Btw, Arteta is just a rookie manager. He is not in the same league of Pep, Klopp and Conte. Not even close.
These things are hard to explain because I'll be the first to admit, the way we judge a performance is entirely subjective. For example with Emery I always had the feeling he was on to something but lacked the players. Can't explain it exactly though, just the midfield movement of the players to create space... With Arteta I don't get that feeling, he's getting his players but then I don't see them improving performance wise.
I hope you can all call me an idiot in a couple of years.
I sort of get what you are saying, you certainly aren't the only fan that thinks this, even on here he was criticised well into the season about not seeing a real style of play, not creating enough etc.
However, I think most agree in general they've seen a marked improvement in the 2nd part of the season so far, obviously with outliers like the other night. This video has a good graph just after the 2min mark of expected xG over Arteta's reign if you are into that sort of thing, and you can see the marked improvement in both directions after the early difficult games of the season when he started to get his signings settled.
Now, we don't know if that was a phase yet but hopefully that's the trend going forward, & it reflects what most have been saying on here the last few months that even a lot of the doubters have seen a marked improvement.
There's still a long way to go though, I still don't think the attack functions that well and we certainly aren't clinical enough, and that's a major area that will get looked at in the summer so let's see what they do about that. If they can get a very good forward or two, that an make all the difference, you only have to see how Son & Kane carry Spurs at times.
Im not sure about wasting years though. Our target should be obviously to improve each season but realistically with Klopp & Pep in the league, your fighting to be the best of the rest, unless the Kronke's seriously dip their hands in their pocket to drive the project on.
Well...
Galaxy brain move to play Xhaka at LB. He definitely thinks he's pep
Arsenal are going to Spurs their way out of the Champions League
If only our players hadn't given up
It just obvious that Conte is going to overdo Arteta this season even if its not this match day.
Bottlers. 0 balls.
Had something fragile that he seemed to stumble onto that was working, but loses two players and it all falls apart.
Arsenal are going nowhere long term with Arteta in charge, it’s a pity our own squad has such a terrible attitude. We should easily be 5th.
Arsenal are going nowhere long term with Arteta in charge, it’s a pity our own squad has such a terrible attitude. We should easily be 5th.
Arsenal eventually found a way to Arsenal it up. They’ve fecked it now. Spurs fixtures will clinch it for them. Calls for Arteta to be sacked are back.
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That late penalty appeal was hilarious. So desperate.
But the process... Arteta is on to something... we can see the improvement... yeah...
They will not get a better chance of finishing top 4. United having their worst season, spurs inconsistent, westham and Leicester navigating between the league and europe. Arsenal with no European football with a comfortable position before the last two games should be getting the 4th spot. They may not and that should be a disappointment.
Everyone knew Arsenal would mess it up, just a shame it was Spurs who took the opportunity, it was only about 6 weeks ago that Conte said Spurs had a 1 % chance of finishing top 4, and we've had a two week international break in that time. now it has to be a 99 % chance they get it.
Everyone other than the top 3 is just crap, Spurs though have the best manager, so will be the least crap.
Everyone other than the top 3 is just crap, Spurs though have the best manager, so will be the least crap.
Spurs have got a clinical top class attack, that when you are under the cosh like they were at times today can take you up the park & get quality goals on the counter.
Arsenal have Lacazette, Spurs have Kane & Son. Son scored more open play goals today than Lacazette has managed all season.
Well you had Aubameyang who is proving he can still score goals at the top level. Don't you think it is the job of the manager to get the best out of their players. Just having Lacazette and Nkiteah as your choice was always going to backfire.
It is, but it wasn't working, & it had a risk of turning more poisonous. Only a week ago Arteta wasn't getting praised on here for being strong & turfing out players that weren't playing ball with his vision.
It was always going to be a gamble, everyone said that at the time. But top 4 was never be all & end all for us, just like it won't be for you.
At least the eejits saying we need to do an Arsenal like they’re some perfect example of how to rebuild a squad can shut up for a week.
Top 4 shouldn't be the end goal for either of our club but this is Manchester United's worst season so for us this season is a failure and there is no beating the bush around it.
As for you lot well you have a golden chance to finish in top 4. Ultimately you would have to finish top 4 or else what's the point. Like let me ask you what's the end goal with arteta? Don't you think circumstance wise of what's happening at United, spurs, Leicester and no European football for you guys, this is a great chance to finish in top 4.
very trueArteta is hilarious. Hope they give him a 10 year contract.
I mean the template is right, you just have to apply it with a better coach/staff that finds the right replacements, a bigger badge and a shitload more of money than Arsenal.
I don't think you will go as deep as us but i feel like ETH will clean a big part of your mess this summer.
Got grief from Arsenal fans for my prediction. Can’t chat shit to me now.
Must admit I have a bit of an irrational level of dislike for Arteta. Just really rubs me up the wrong way with how he acts and makes decisions at Arsenal, and the seeming immunity from any scrutiny.
Delighted to see their form turn and it felt like a matter of time. They played some good football but seemed to ride their luck every single game in some way shape or form. Also some question marks about sportsmanship and discipline in the squad.
Delighted to see their form turn and it felt like a matter of time. They played some good football but seemed to ride their luck every single game in some way shape or form. Also some question marks about sportsmanship and discipline in the squad.
And who’s fault was that? The whole Aubameyang toxicity thing was a fight picked by Arteta in the first place. It’s almost unheard of for a manager to be so publicly hostile to one of his players. There could only be one outcome. You reap what you sew.