Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

Definitely.
Care to mention who you would like to get rid of.
Rashford, shaw, awb, mata, jones, henderson. Pogba and cavani should be allowed to leave and ronaldo too if he wants to.

Im still on the fence on maguire, he should be stripped of the captaincy but should be given another season to cement his place in the starting xi or else sell him the season after.
 
Rashford, shaw, awb, mata, jones, henderson. Pogba and cavani should be allowed to leave and ronaldo too if he wants to.

Im still on the fence on maguire, he should be stripped of the captaincy but should be given another season to cement his place in the starting xi or else sell him the season after.

Pretty much agree with those, especially Pogba, although I would be a bit disappointed if Henderson has to go. But I do understand that he needs first team football.

I am mistified at the terrible loss of form of both Rashford and Maguire and Luke Shaw. And many would want to get rid of Matic, primary because of his age. And if he was to get a good offer, then so be it.
A lot depends on the new manager and how he sees things.
 
The hard part is to have the board 100% behind the manager when result is not good. Can u imagine Man Utd keep the manager if he finish 8th in the league during the rebuilding process? Can u imagine what the pundits like Scholes, Neville, Rio, Keane will say about the manager during the process?
 
The hard part is to have the board 100% behind the manager when result is not good. Can u imagine Man Utd keep the manager if he finish 8th in the league during the rebuilding process? Can u imagine what the pundits like Scholes, Neville, Rio, Keane will say about the manager during the process?
If it was an ex player they played with they'd make all the excuses under the sun.
 
Didn't say "happy new year" thats why he's only lego Pep.
 
The hard part is to have the board 100% behind the manager when result is not good. Can u imagine Man Utd keep the manager if he finish 8th in the league during the rebuilding process? Can u imagine what the pundits like Scholes, Neville, Rio, Keane will say about the manager during the process?
Yes managers can be trusted 100% not for results but how they handle the group and how they respond in tougher situations and developing the pattern of play among group. Many could produce results unexpectedly here and there but pattern of play not easy to develop unless you got skills.

So why in decision making position need persons who know football or at least have the advisors who know football.

Arteta looks good in footballing terms and if he shows he can handle big group play twice a week then arsenal have good manager. Next season we can really judge on him. If he struggled to fulfill fixtures and come up with ridiculous claims like he did after Liverpool game about fixtures then better arsenal can say good bye to him.
 
Yes managers can be trusted 100% not for results but how they handle the group and how they respond in tougher situations and developing the pattern of play among group. Many could produce results unexpectedly here and there but pattern of play not easy to develop unless you got skills.

So why in decision making position need persons who know football or at least have the advisors who know football.

Arteta looks good in footballing terms and if he shows he can handle big group play twice a week then arsenal have good manager. Next season we can really judge on him. If he struggled to fulfill fixtures and come up with ridiculous claims like he did after Liverpool game about fixtures then better arsenal can say good bye to him.

To be fair to Arsenal, there were fans who weren't so quick to drive the knife into their manager when things got though. Yes, you have your usual bunch of idiots calling for Arteta's blood, but there were many fans who can see what Arteta was trying to do.

I guess that is partially due to Arsenal fans experiencing the drought years when Arsenal played pretty football but didn't win anything.

My experience with United fans is opposite. There are far too many fans who are obessed only with the final score and looked past shit football as long as the team won. Ole lasted so long because he always managed to win just enough games at crucial moments to sway those result oriented fans.
 
I think they might end up doing it but it depends what United do between now and the end of the season as well.
We're going to continue being shit and Arsenal have been playing well recently to be fair, so they will secure top 4 easily.

If Arteta is moaning already about "fixture congestion" when he conned the league into a postponement and is out of all cup competitions, we shall see how the moaner fares next season.
 
On a good day, rivals are better because it elevates beating them and mctominay is better than Henderson.

It's been a long time since there's been a good day here really.
This is simply untrue. Wade into the United forum and you'll see overwhelming misery and borderline hatred towards most of our players. If someone has compared McTominay favourably to Henderson, they are in the very small minority.

It is overwhelming doom and gloom about everything United and to suggest otherwise is entirely disingenuous.
 
We're going to continue being shit and Arsenal have been playing well recently to be fair, so they will secure top 4 easily.

If Arteta is moaning already about "fixture congestion" when he conned the league into a postponement and is out of all cup competitions, we shall see how the moaner fares next season.

It'll fair fine, because he's not stupid. He knows what the european schedule is.

And for what it's worth, for CL games on Wednesday you're not meant to have 12:30 KOs on Saturday. Hence why he questioned it.

So ironic people are making that statement really.
 
This is simply untrue. Wade into the United forum and you'll see overwhelming misery and borderline hatred towards most of our players. If someone has compared McTominay favourably to Henderson, they are in the very small minority.

It is overwhelming doom and gloom about everything United and to suggest otherwise is entirely disingenuous.
Like I said, it's been a while since there's been a good day.
 
It'll fair fine, because he's not stupid. He knows what the european schedule is.
He may "know", but a team used to one game a week will have a rude awakening when Europe comes thick and fast. Arsenal either rise to the challenge or struggle. Time will tell.
 
To be fair to Arsenal, there were fans who weren't so quick to drive the knife into their manager when things got though. Yes, you have your usual bunch of idiots calling for Arteta's blood, but there were many fans who can see what Arteta was trying to do.

I guess that is partially due to Arsenal fans experiencing the drought years when Arsenal played pretty football but didn't win anything.

My experience with United fans is opposite. There are far too many fans who are obsessed only with the final score and looked past shit football as long as the team won. Ole lasted so long because he always managed to win just enough games at crucial moments to sway those result oriented fans.
Yes every team has that kind of fans who don't have enough patience or see things in perspective. But boards too equally culpable if they fail to realise football related things like schedule and injuries other than play style. Any body can understand some lethargic performances after heavy schedule.

Arteta just not need to talk about fixture schedule. Chelsea played 45 games already this season compared to 34 arsenal played till now. Liverpool may be like 43 games. If he is serious about keeping his job he need to cope with tough fixtures.
 
Yes every team has that kind of fans who don't have enough patience or see things in perspective. But boards too equally culpable if they fail to realise football related things like schedule and injuries other than play style. Any body can understand some lethargic performances after heavy schedule.

Arteta just not need to talk about fixture schedule. Chelsea played 45 games already this season compared to 34 arsenal played till now. Liverpool may be like 43 games. If he is serious about keeping his job he need to cope with tough fixtures.
It was ridiculous his moaning about the schedule.

If we get past Madrid we will likely have to heavily rotate against them at The Bridge again (exactly like last season) as that game has been sloted in what would have otherwise been our final free midweek of the season. If he thinks the scheduling is working against him now wait until he has to juggle Europe and the league (scheduling as "brutal" as the Liverpool/Villa and Spurs/United he's moaning about is common place when chasing on many/all fronts).

It seems to me he's getting his excuses in early just incase the final part of the season goes wrong.
 
Yes managers can be trusted 100% not for results but how they handle the group and how they respond in tougher situations and developing the pattern of play among group. Many could produce results unexpectedly here and there but pattern of play not easy to develop unless you got skills.

So why in decision making position need persons who know football or at least have the advisors who know football.

Arteta looks good in footballing terms and if he shows he can handle big group play twice a week then arsenal have good manager. Next season we can really judge on him. If he struggled to fulfill fixtures and come up with ridiculous claims like he did after Liverpool game about fixtures then better arsenal can say good bye to him.
If my memory serve me right, there was a manager in a club tried to implement his philosophy there with Cruyff/Dutch possession football, the same football that Pep, Arteta and Xavi are playing. He gave lots of chances to young players from academy, put Daley Blind as ball playing CB just like Ajax now for his possession football, and actually did get the young players to implement it. The player recruitment had issues and the players brought in during his time were not the right fit (i did not know who was responsible to identify target for player recruitment in that club. Let's assume the sole responsibility was on the manager), and he didn't have enough quality in his front 3 to convert the possession and domination into goals. In this process his football was deemed as too boring, all the pundits and fans wanted him gone, and he was fired in this process, even he won a FA cup in his final year. The foundation was there.
 
It was ridiculous his moaning about the schedule.

If we get past Madrid we will likely have to heavily rotate against them at The Bridge again (exactly like last season) as that game has been sloted in what would have otherwise been our final free midweek of the season. If he thinks the scheduling is working against him now wait until he has to juggle Europe and the league (scheduling as "brutal" as the Liverpool/Villa and Spurs/United he's moaning about is common place when chasing on many/all fronts).

It seems to me he's getting his excuses in early just incase the final part of the season goes wrong.
If he is not able to get over the line for top 4 he should never see the next transfer window as arsenal manager. If he failed it only highlights his inability to manage a team to perform consistently. It's not even like manutd or spurs or Leicester are flying high to give them tough time.

It's big opportunity for arsenal to hold the position and get cl. They can use next window to strengthen further if they get into cl with quality players.
 
If he is not able to get over the line for top 4 he should never see the next transfer window as arsenal manager. If he failed it only highlights his inability to manage a team to perform consistently. It's not even like manutd or spurs or Leicester are flying high to give them tough time.

It's big opportunity for arsenal to hold the position and get cl. They can use next window to strengthen further if they get into cl with quality players.
CL is non factor for Arsenal and the players they would be targeting , they won't be spending money based on regular Cl participation based on just single appearance in 5 years nor the players who deem regular CL participation necessary would be interested in Arsenal next summer either .
It would take quite few more years of regular Champions League football for them start factoring in that income for transfers and wages .
 
Has completely remade the team in his own image and shipped out plenty of deadwood and made the massive call to freeze out PEA. Apparently he has a 'no D heads' transfer policy and wont tolerate anyone poisoning the dressing room atmosphere. His signings in the transfer market have been top notch. Ramsdale, Odegaard, Tomiyasu, White were all scolded. When actually all have been massive successes. ESR, Martinelli, Saka are playing really well and progressing (especially Saka and Martinelli).

I honestly dont understand the ridicule Arteta gets. We are still a distance from Man City and Liverpool but proved our quality by running with them and threatening to win the game. One of the downfalls is lack of experience. The only players over 25 to feature often are Partey, Xhaka and Lacazette. Cedric too but he is back up to Tomiyasu. The majort of our first team are under 24 - Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Odegaard, White, Gabriel, Ramsdale Tierney, Tomiyasu. These players playin
If he is not able to get over the line for top 4 he should never see the next transfer window as arsenal manager. If he failed it only highlights his inability to manage a team to perform consistently. It's not even like manutd or spurs or Leicester are flying high to give them tough time.

It's big opportunity for arsenal to hold the position and get cl. They can use next window to strengthen further if they get into cl with quality players.

We have one of the youngest teams in Europe. Only Lacazette, Xhaka and Partey and reguars in the first team over 24. This team is in its infancy - Saka, Martinelli, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, White, Gabriel, Odegaard, ESR, Tierney are all at the beginning of their careers.

We are basically an under 23's team and ahead of a Man United and Spurs team with no real youth prospects. Its '''Arsenal kids'', and they are maturing and learning week to week.

The last thing we need to do is close the door on Arteta who is showing clear signs of progress as a manager, whether its tactically our style of play, or his summer signings.

We need to reinforce the in the summer and do the low hanging fruit of extending Saka and Martinelli's deals and buy some elder more experienced players.

Arteta is a good manager and really growing in stature with the team.
 
Arteta has done a good job. Start to see the contours of a very good team. Almost 30y since saw such a young, talented and exiting squad (read: United).

If Arsenal replace Xhaka and Lacazette with high class players and gets better squad depth, they have the potential to be top-3 contenders next season.

Arsenal have been patient with Arteta, likely because they’ve had a plan: Get rid if deadwood and build a young squad for the future. Arteta been allowed to do this without expectations about titles and short term results, and now Arsenal seems to start harvest the fruits of their patient work.

Kudos to Arsenal and Arteta.
 
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Arteta has done a good jobnow start to see the contours of a very good team. Almost 30y since saw such a young, talented and exiting squad (read: United).
They themselves had the same with Cesc, Nasri, RVP etc.

The problem with such youth centric projects is they rarely work out how they're meant too on paper, as we saw with Arsenal in that era. Many don't live up to the billing and the one's that do eventually get fed up and look for a quick fix, there's already noises of Saka stalling on his new deal until he gets guarantees of the clubs vision.

It's good to have a core of young players but eventually it has to be balanced out to take the next step. As good as our glut of youngsters are, do they win the UCL without Tuchel, Silva and Mendy? I think we all know the answer to that.
 
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Lego complaining when he gets an extra day’s rest between every game compared to everyone else. He’ll be in for a real surprise next season when he won’t be having 90 % of midweeks off.
 
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Lego complaining when he gets an extra day’s rest between every game compared to everyone else. He’ll be in for a real surprise next season when he won’t be having 90 % of midweeks off.

Why will he get a real surprise? Has he not played or managed European football before?
 
The lack of self awareness of this prick talking about fixtures
 
If my memory serve me right, there was a manager in a club tried to implement his philosophy there with Cruyff/Dutch possession football, the same football that Pep, Arteta and Xavi are playing. He gave lots of chances to young players from academy, put Daley Blind as ball playing CB just like Ajax now for his possession football, and actually did get the young players to implement it. The player recruitment had issues and the players brought in during his time were not the right fit (i did not know who was responsible to identify target for player recruitment in that club. Let's assume the sole responsibility was on the manager), and he didn't have enough quality in his front 3 to convert the possession and domination into goals. In this process his football was deemed as too boring, all the pundits and fans wanted him gone, and he was fired in this process, even he won a FA cup in his final year. The foundation was there.

I agree time should be given but big clubs want instant success. Would LVG have helped us to the next level, I doubt. The football he gave united fans was the most boring and that says something as we also had to endure Jose, Moyes and Ole.

So yes, time should be given but not always. We gave Ole time, didn't do us any good. Similarly no guarantee you giving Arteta would take you to the level Arsenal once were. It's all a risk.
 
I agree time should be given but big clubs want instant success. Would LVG have helped us to the next level, I doubt. The football he gave united fans was the most boring and that says something as we also had to endure Jose, Moyes and Ole.

So yes, time should be given but not always. We gave Ole time, didn't do us any good. Similarly no guarantee you giving Arteta would take you to the level Arsenal once were. It's all a risk.
I think your biggest mistake post LVG was not so much getting rid of him but not getting someone who could build on that style.

Sarri was our LVG in terms of mundane possession football but we appointed managers with similar ish ideas afterwards and it's allowed some form of continuity that now allows us (when we don't play Lukaku) to go toe to toe with pretty much anyone.
 
I think your biggest mistake post LVG was not so much getting rid of him but not getting someone who could build on that style.

Sarri was our LVG in terms of mundane possession football but we appointed managers with similar ish ideas afterwards and it's allowed some form of continuity that now allows us (when we don't play Lukaku) to go toe to toe with pretty much anyone.
Yes I agree. We should have gone for Poch back in 2016 but went for an easy choice with Jose. However I still feel a ruthless club would have sacked van gaal in December 2015 itself. We were just atrocious. People like to rewrite history and look at Van gaal's period fondly but it wasn't. All those 0-0 draws were awful to witness.

To my original point, time should be given provided there is some progress (both result as well as in playing style). Otherwise giving time for the sake of it would do more damage than not ( Ole and Jose being the example)
 
The point is that if he is moaning now then it will be a surprise next season.

What is this logic?

Why would it be a surprise.. he will know exactly what to expect he's not an idiot.

We have a small squad now because we are NOT in Europe. If we were, we'd have a bigger squad, simple as.

Also, the irony is lost on people that if we were in Europe next year we wouldn't have this issue because the CL teams that play on Wednesday won't have to play the 12:30 KO Slot :lol:

Artetas issue is that this is the third time it's happened this season to us, when it isn't really meant to happen. If he doesn't complain, then it will just keep happening, hence why he's made a point about it. If it's a one off, you can understand as a covid clash occurrence. If he just keeps quiet then the prem i'm sure will just arrange our NLD match to be the exact same thing.

The fact that it's banned for CL matches on Wednesday to play the PL 12:30 KO Time, why is it not banned for all competitions? Arteta's in his right to question it.
 
If he is not able to get over the line for top 4 he should never see the next transfer window as arsenal manager. If he failed it only highlights his inability to manage a team to perform consistently. It's not even like manutd or spurs or Leicester are flying high to give them tough time.

It's big opportunity for arsenal to hold the position and get cl. They can use next window to strengthen further if they get into cl with quality players.

Why? Our squad isn't as good as Uniteds/Spurs. Our manager isn't as experienced as theirs.

People expected Arsenal to finish 8th this season. If he gets top 6 or higher, that is a success and something to build on.

This demand for instant success is what got many clubs into positions they are in, including United. It's ridiculous.

People forget Arteta is young too, he's still learning. The club have taken the approach to back his growth also, along with the teams. People think we are miles clear of top 4, we aren't in reality. Spurs aren't far behind with a much better fixture list. It will be tight..
 
After all the complaining it would be nice if Arsenal balls this one up as we really need them to. Win this tricky fixture and 4th is looking bleak given we're not a side that's going to be consistent.

I'm not a big fan of managers mouthing off about fixtures because it creates a ready made excuse for the players. Should do it through the proper channels.
 
Why? Our squad isn't as good as Uniteds/Spurs. Our manager isn't as experienced as theirs.

People expected Arsenal to finish 8th this season. If he gets top 6 or higher, that is a success and something to build on.

This demand for instant success is what got many clubs into positions they are in, including United. It's ridiculous.

People forget Arteta is young too, he's still learning. The club have taken the approach to back his growth also, along with the teams. People think we are miles clear of top 4, we aren't in reality. Spurs aren't far behind with a much better fixture list. It will be tight..
Not getting 4th this season would be an underperformance from Arsenal given the current conditions. You don’t base your assessment of a 38 game season on what people were thinking 25 games ago. Should Arsenal not claim 4th given the fact their rivals have all but handed it to them it would be a massive underachievement.

Also, demand for success? Lad it’s 4th place.
 
Not getting 4th this season would be an underperformance from Arsenal given the current conditions. You don’t base your assessment of a 38 game season on what people were thinking 25 games ago. Should Arsenal not claim 4th given the fact their rivals have all but handed it to them it would be a massive underachievement.

Also, demand for success? Lad it’s 4th place.

What current conditions?? How have their rivals handed it to them? Spurs are on the same/more points now than they were last season, with a better squad and better manager. So how are they handing it to us?

United have gone down a level for sure, but personally I see Spurs as the biggest threat. Besides. United have gone from a 2nd place team to a team fighting for top 4, so if anything they've just bridged the gap down to us. Again, not handing anything to us.

As long as we fight to the end, if we miss out on top 4 by a few points, then sobeit. We'd have lost to a team with more experience, a better coach, who spend money in January and a better squad. Simple as. Again, this need for black or white success is ridiculous. People are making out whoever gets top 4 this year it'll be by some record low points tally. It won't be, it'll be the same points tally as most other years.

So what if it's 4th place? The cold reality is we aren't as good as Liverpool/City/Chelsea, so yes 4th place is success for now relative. This belief that you are and should be as good as those three teams right now is what is draining United currently into just going round in circles.
 
After all the complaining it would be nice if Arsenal balls this one up as we really need them to. Win this tricky fixture and 4th is looking bleak given we're not a side that's going to be consistent.

I'm not a big fan of managers mouthing off about fixtures because it creates a ready made excuse for the players. Should do it through the proper channels.

Agreed in a way, it'll be tough anyway. Villa are in good form and it's away, expecting a tight game.
 
Also, the irony is lost on people that if we were in Europe next year we wouldn't have this issue because the CL teams that play on Wednesday won't have to play the 12:30 KO Slot :lol:

Artetas issue is that this is the third time it's happened this season to us, when it isn't really meant to happen. If he doesn't complain, then it will just keep happening, hence why he's made a point about it. If it's a one off, you can understand as a covid clash occurrence. If he just keeps quiet then the prem i'm sure will just arrange our NLD match to be the exact same thing.

The fact that it's banned for CL matches on Wednesday to play the PL 12:30 KO Time, why is it not banned for all competitions? Arteta's in his right to question it.

Banned? We played Villarreal on a Wednesday night. Then 12:30 Saturday vs Everton. Where is this ban you're talking about? Stop talking bollocks.
 
I'd say he is the least fun man to have a pint with in the entire planet. He seriously does look like a bit of a gowl, in fairness.
 
I've given you an actual example from this very season that proves there is no such 'rule'. Again, stop talking bollocks.

What are you even talking about ffs. Read my post again:

'Also, the irony is lost on people that if we were in Europe next year we wouldn't have this issue because the CL teams that play on Wednesday won't have to play the 12:30 KO Slot :lol:'

Why are you just repeating the word bollocks. I said, WON'T HAVE TO PLAY NEXT YEAR. If I wanted to say this year, i'd have said DON'T. I am fully aware it's happened on occasion this year to teams (allbeit I had to google it a couple days ago to have a look). Doesn't mean Arteta can't question why it's happened 3 times to us so far.