Miguel Veloso

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Ekeke said:
So we're intending to sign all 6 or so players Querioz said we were watching?

Come off it. None of them were even a striker.

He simply listed all the major players that were being scouted. And this kind of scouting is what landed us Anderson, Ronaldo and Nani - many more will have been looked at, but not signed.

It's just a very good scouting system in the Portugal making sure we don't miss out on their best young players should there be space for them in the squad.

Right now there's no space and no need to sell and buy a player like Veloso.
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Who ever said we was sigining him now.... Stop overlooking my post!!! I'm basically saying just we are obviously interested in him not matter what Fergie has just come out and said!!!

And yes i believe we will be signing all them 6 players mentioned, cause that happens all the time!!! :rolleyes:
 
Mainoldo said:
Who ever said we was sigining him now.... Stop overlooking my post!!! I'm basically saying just we are obviously interested in him not matter what Fergie has just come out and said!!!

And yes i believe we will be signing all them 6 players mentioned, cause that happens all the time!!! :rolleyes:
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Yes, thats exactly what you're saying (smiley removed)
 
Arsenal in for Veloso (and so are we probably):

Miguel Veloso's agent claims an English side has come close to matching the Sporting starlet's release clause.

The 21-year-old defensive midfielder is a rising talent in Portugal and both Manchester United and Arsenal have been credited with an interest.

Although Veloso has a £20million release clause in his contract, his agent Paulo Barbosa says a club from England has bid near that mark.

Should the youngster's clause be met he could be the latest in a long line of talents to leave the country, such as Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and Anderson, who have all joined The Red Devils.

"There have been several contacts and several offers from England," Barbosa told the News of the World.

"I won't name the clubs but one of them was not far from his buy-out clause.

"If there's agreement from Sporting and the player, it's possible for him to leave.

"But there's no pressure or desire that it should happen yet."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11670_2800927,00.html
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Another source (same one which first claimed our Anderson/Nani deals last year) says Veloso could join Arsenal:

Arsenal segue Miguel Veloso
FILIPE ALEXANDRE DIAS/RUI MIGUEL GOMES

O Arsenal, orientado pelo francês Arsène Wenger, está interessado em adquirir o passe de Miguel Veloso e poderá mesmo, segundo O JOGO apurou, avançar nas próximas semanas para a contratação do médio leonino.

Admirador confesso das qualidades de Miguel Veloso, o técnico e manager do clube londrino olha para o camisola 24 dos leões como sendo o jogador com os atributos técnicos e tácticos ideais para colmatar a vaga deixada em aberto no meio-campo dos "gunners", após a confirmação de que Flamini irá fazer parte dos quadros da formação italiana do AC Milan na temporada 2008/09.

Neste sentido, o Arsenal, sabendo do interesse de outros clubes ingleses interessados no concurso do internacional luso, nomeadamente, do Manchester City, está mesmo disposto a pagar 30 milhões de euros - o valor da cláusula de rescisão que consta no contrato que liga o médio-defensivo aos leões até 2013 - para fortalecer a sua equipa no ataque à conquista da Premirer League. Segundo O JOGO apurou, a vontade dos responsáveis do emblema londrino é mesmo a de concretizar uma grande contratação nas próximas semanas, a qual terá como premissa o colmatar de uma lacuna existente no esquema habitualmente utilizado pelo técnico francês desde que ingressou, na época 1996/97, no Arsenal. É que Arsène Wenger sempre montou as suas equipas tendo por base a utilização de um pivô defensivo na zona intermediária, função superiormente desempenhada entre 1996/97 e 2004/05 pelo francês Patrick Vieira que, posteriormente, foi substituído por Gilberto Silva e mais recentemente por Flamini.

www.ojogo.pt
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Hope it fits in this thread, did not want to open a new one.
 
We don´t really need Veloso. We have Hargreaves, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson and Scholes all for cm.

Possebom is coming through.

I´d only take him if he is better than Carrick. From what I´ve seen, he aint.

I think we should concentrate on a striker and a rb. Any extra should be used on scooping up young promising talent.
 
weso26 said:
I´d only take him if he is better than Carrick. From what I´ve seen, he aint.
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He only turned 22 last weekend and looks like an exceptional talent. I'd take him in a heartbeat, Scholes will retire within the next three seasons, Fletcher might want to move on and we all know that Fergie got it absolutely right this season with five midfielders around. Squad depth wins you titles, so I wouldn't mind having another central midfielder at the team. Problem is the fee, I doubt we would pay anything close to £20m. More like £10m now and another £7m or so depending on appearances and success.
 
I dont care if Veloso goes to Arsenal or Jupiter. We dont need him and we wont be signing players to avoid them joining our rivals, thats stupid.
 
Anduin said:
He only turned 21 last weekend and looks like an exceptional talent. I'd take him in a heartbeat, Scholes will retire within the next three seasons, Fletcher might want to move on and we all know that Fergie got it absolutely right this season with five midfielders around. Squad depth wins you titles, so I wouldn't mind having another central midfielder at the team. Problem is the fee, I doubt we would pay anything close to £20m. More like £10m now and another £7m or so depending on appearances and success.
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You want Fletcher to move dont you? So you can wank on Veloso. If you pay the 20 m there is no problem mate. 5 midfielders already on the team and Veloso is not different to what we have which means he wont be dropping any of the ones we currently have to the bench.

From what i have seen of him he is good but he is the same position as Carrick and we have many players on that position. We also have Possebon who is pretty good and will get promoted to the first team in a couples of seasons.
 
MrMarcello said:
Can't imagine the club spending 15-20m on a guy to play 5th choice midfield.
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Exactly. We need to spend what we have in getting a marvellous striker as that is the only thing we are missing right now. We need to get some pressure off Tevez and Rooney, they need another player to help them in a long season.
 
United didn't even stated, which striker they will try to sign, yet... Veloso can wait.

He would be more happy in United with Cristiano, Nani and Anderson than in Arsenal, but if he want to go there... not a big problem for us.

With quality British midfielders like Scholes, Carrick, Hargreaves and Fletcher, we're very good prepared for Premiership next season, imo.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Not really. They'd be getting a young Emanuel Petit to partner Fabregas. Talk of a serious upgrade.
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We don't know that for sure, Chief.

We don't even know if Veloso wants to sign them. I think he would be more happy to play in one team with his old mates from Sporting and he propably knows that, too. :)
 
How can you compare Petit a world cup winner to Veloso. They are not even similar in style either from what i have seen.
 
REd FUn DevIl said:
You want Fletcher to move dont you? So you can wank on Veloso. If you pay the 20 m there is no problem mate. 5 midfielders already on the team and Veloso is not different to what we have which means he wont be dropping any of the ones we currently have to the bench.
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No fecking way I want to see Fletch move on. I'd love to see him getting more time on the pitch, he has improved tremendously this season. Big game player.
I never said we should pay a ridiculous amount of money for Veloso and I never said Fletcher should go so, to use your phrase, I'll be able "to wank on Veloso" - I just said that it's possible Fletcher might want to leave, mainly because he turned 24 lately and may want first team action. Jesus, the caf is a weird place sometimes :rolleyes:
 
Keyzer Soze said:
That does not sum it up at all. You are not a scout, i guarantee i have seen as much of him as you have and he is nothing lke Petit IMO.
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Hence it sums it up perfectly. I'm not you. So I'm failing to see why you seem to think it's a crime for me to see what you don't. Being a scout has zilch to do with that. I simply see what you don't because we are not the same people. It's you who questioned how I could make the comparison remember?
 
The word on the grapevine seems to be that the two English clubs are Arsenal and Chelsea, not ourselves.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
It's you who questioned how I could make the comparison remember?
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Yes i did and the reason for my questioning was not based on their abilities and playing style as you are correct in saying this is open to interpretation.

However, i think saying he is a young Emmanuel Petit and an upgrade over Flamini has no foundation in terms of performance. Petit is a proven world class player with tons of medals while Flamini is an accomplished premiership player. Veloso is neither, he has talent yes but he needs to prove it outside of the portuguese league or champions league performances against Vieira etc.
 
Keyzer Soze said:
Yes i did and the reason for my questioning was not based on their abilities and playing style as you are correct in saying this is open to interpretation.

However, i think saying he is a young Emmanuel Petit and an upgrade over Flamini has no foundation in terms of performance. Petit is a proven world class player with tons of medals while Flamini is an accomplished premiership player. Veloso is neither, he has talent yes but he needs to prove it outside of the portuguese league or champions league performances against Vieira etc.
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I don't have to wait for him to prove those things when I can compare the player's talents directly with my two eyes. Seriously. Because I'm not basing this on records or achievement. But on the talent they display. Strictly. For all I know Veloso could move and prove to be a Djemba-Djemba. It's all subjective ATM.

Using your criteria is another matter though. That is a standard acid test. More based on proven fact. Which makes your assessment of him, under that, spot on.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I don't have to wait for him to prove those things when I can compare the player's talents directly with my two eyes. Seriously. Because I'm not basing this on records or achievement. But on the talent they display. Strictly. For all I know Veloso could move and prove to be a Djemba-Djemba. It's all subjective ATM.

Using your criteria is another matter though. That is a standard acid test. More based on proven fact. Which makes your assessment of him, under that, spot on.
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Fair enough then. That is reasonable.
 
How did he play against your lot?

Go on someone give me a proper description of what type of player he is, his strengths and weaknesses, never seen him play before so don't have a clue about him.
 
JazzG said:
How did he play against your lot?
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He did okay,nothing more nothing less.

Go on someone give me a proper description of what type of player he is, his strengths and weaknesses, never seen him play before so don't have a clue about him.
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His best postion is as defensive midfielder/deep laying playmaker(think Redondo) altough he can play as either leftback or central defender too.
Actually he played the main part of his u-18 years as central defender,it was only in his last year as u-18 that he was retrained to play as a defensive midfielder.

+Good left foot,good technique,good awarness and passing.
-Heading,loses concentration occasionally.
 
He's a very good striker of the ball also. If he lives up to his potential he just might be the best ball playing defensive midfielder. Course, he's nowhere near that level right now.

We have no room for him, CQ already said so earlier on in the season. But in my opinion he has the potential to become a better player than several of our current midfielders.
 
Ekeke said:
He's a very good striker of the ball also. If he lives up to his potential he just might be the best ball playing defensive midfielder. Course, he's nowhere near that level right now.

We have no room for him, CQ already said so earlier on in the season. But in my opinion he has the potential to become a better player than several of our current midfielders.
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Sounds like a combination of Hargreaves and Carrick. Does he have decent pace?


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Veloso is a superb player, the type of player you can put into a poor footballing side and after his introduction they will start playing good football.

His range of passing is very simular to Carrick's but i would say he is a more tricky customer, mainly due to his technical skills, like Scholes he can drop a shoulder or do somekind of turn with the ball and leave the player closing down for dead.

I've never seen him play left back but I here he can play there, I've seen him play centre back a few times where he seems accomplished but he is more of a deep lying playmaker with excellent reading of the game for a young player, what also stands out is his authority of the midfield, he is very calm in his approach play. He's also great on set pieces. Really good player and nice on the eye.
 
decent talent but we dont need him, at least unless Scholes doesnt retire or Hargreaves isnt moved to the right rear flank permanently.
 
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