Why the heck would any player who is currently playing professional footy be willing to wait 'at least 4 years' to challenge for a place in the team? That's nonsense, just because Ramsey is 17 now, he'd expect to feature within the next couple of seasons i'm sure.
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Why the heck would any player who is currently playing professional footy be willing to wait 'at least 4 years' to challenge for a place in the team? That's nonsense, just because Ramsey is 17 now, he'd expect to feature within the next couple of seasons i'm sure.
So Ronaldo is Ramsey? or Ramsey will be Ronaldo?
Every year their are a bunch of young players that burst onto the scene playing with no fear and catching the eye, it doesnt mean we should go buy them. If Cardiff had either Sam Hewson or Rodrigo they would have played most of the season and caught the eye too.
How in the hell you can base an arguement that this kid is the new Ronaldo by the simular number of appearance's he made is a new low even for the caf.
You do know that if you're calling Flawless stupid for think Ramsey is worth a punt, then you're effectively calling Fergie stupid?
You obviously don't watch any reserve team football. Hewson and Rodrigo wouldn't really have caught the eye from what I have seen if they had played for Cardiff. Hewson wouldn't even have gotten a start.
I only compared Ramsey and Ronaldo because of the age they were when they were linked to a big club. That's it. I didn't doubt Ferguson about Ronaldo, and I don't see any reason to doubt Ferguson if he chooses to go after Ramsey. But to say Ferguson shouldn't sign Ramsey because he had "done feck all" is a foolish statement, which is why I brought the comparison of Ronaldo who hadn't really done a great deal at Sporting before we signed him either (don't think he even played in the Cup final a la Weston).
Before we signed Ronaldo, Juventus where pretty close in signing him themselves. Everything was sealed, the player wanted to go to Juve, the scouts gave their go ahead and everything seemed set. Yet, when Sporting slipped a 12m tag around the boy's neck, Juventus hesitated and we stepped in. The rest is history.
Im not saying that every talent is like Ronaldo. Quite contrary, its hard to make the grade nowadays + youth talent are so difficult to assess. Take Richardson for example. At one point he was doing so well in the EPL scoring two goals in his international debut and then, he simply vanished. On the other hand if a good talent comes on your path then there is nothing wrong in signing him up expecially when the fee isnt that high (5m is not that much for an FA finalist and a promising talent)
Scholes has two good years left in him and Anderson is set to take his place. In that situation its hard to attract talent like Veloso. On the other hand a youth talent such as Ramsey or Rodrigo wouldnt mind that. They will be loaned for a year or two and return better then ever to compete with Anderson for a first team place.
I read the transfer forum posts and deep down I feel sad because we only mention world class talent or at least finished products. FFS thats not the Manchester United's way. Our success is built by developing players and build sides and not simply by buying players. Let puts things clear I dont mind if the club spends 20m for a player that is needed but we definately dont need to spend 20m on a third striker or 10m for a 6th midfielder.
Im not saying that every talent is like Ronaldo. Quite contrary, its hard to make the grade nowadays + youth talent are so difficult to assess. Take Richardson for example. At one point he was doing so well in the EPL scoring two goals in his international debut and then, he simply vanished. On the other hand if a good talent comes on your path then there is nothing wrong in signing him up expecially when the fee isnt that high (5m is not that much for an FA finalist and a promising talent)
Scholes has two good years left in him and Anderson is set to take his place. In that situation its hard to attract talent like Veloso. On the other hand a youth talent such as Ramsey or Rodrigo wouldnt mind that. They will be loaned for a year or two and return better then ever to compete with Anderson for a first team place.
I read the transfer forum posts and deep down I feel sad because we only mention world class talent or at least finished products. FFS thats not the Manchester United's way. Our success is built by developing players and build sides and not simply by buying players. Let puts things clear I dont mind if the club spends 20m for a player that is needed but we definately dont need to spend 20m on a third striker or 10m for a 6th midfielder.
Choose anybody but Ronaldo, nobody can be compared to Ronaldo. Foolish statement.
It was clear at 17 Ronaldo was something special, and he had good pedigree coming through the famous sporting acadamy. Why the feck do I have say this? I'm off never to return, happy ramblings..Choose anybody but Ronaldo, nobody can be compared to Ronaldo. Foolish statement.
okDifficult to judge him at this point in time. A stop-and-start season.
Agree, he is a potential.
Agree, he is a potential.
If he goes to Bolton i will eat my own head.
More chance that Zidane return to the game than Bolton getting him.
That's not even possible on FM.
More chance of my nan nutmegs Zidane once he returns to the game than Bolton getting him.
But at the same time, we're not getting him though.
Manuel Fernandes was talked about the same way at Benfica as Veloso is at Sporting and he went to Pompey.
true, but with Fernandes, he was loaned out to Pompey
Why? They've already signed Flamini.
They are planning on restructuring the squad, allegedly.
Its stupid to move to Milan if you want chances. They still have a settle midfield so they are just looking for bench players.
Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.
Kaka, Pirlo, Gattuso/Flamini and Seedorf are still the first team players and after them come Flamini/Gattuso, Ambrossini. Veloso rather stay at Sporting by now.
I thought Gattuso is on his way out?
isn't Gourcuff still lingering around there somewhere?
Supposedly Veloso can play LB in addition to midfield. Not sure who Inter have at the LB spot currently.
Seedorf, Gattuso, Pirlo and Milan are not exactly young. Maybe this indicates Milan are changing their OAP philosophy.
Who Inter have on LB will have very little bearing on where Veloso plays for Milan.
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As long as arsenal get him not this pleases me
And he turned out to be shit, all flair and no substance, Valencia realised that quite quickly.
So, you don't wish Veloso to United, Chief? Anyway, your worst fear has come true, Chelsea are apparently targeting Spalletti.
He's a very good left back i think so at least.
Veloso will play in midfield, he has too much awareness and ability on the ball for a full back.
On the contrary. I still want him. But as long as Arsenal do not get to partner him with Fabregas. Even if we didn't get him, I will be happy.
Yes.
I hope it works out not. I have big hopes of him one day taking over at UnitedHe can take up Ambrosini's role long term.
Havn't seen him much. Would him being a mixture of pirlo gattuso be overstating it a little. Just heard good things about him. He's a deep lying playmaker who loves a tackle. Their very hard to comeby if true.
From the two games i've seen him play i would say he doesnt possess the dogedness of Gattuso or the finess of Pirlo however he is a big guy, has a strong left foot, an eye for a pass and looks generally very classy.
Wouldn't be a bad signing for any big team in my opinion because he really stood out for Sporting and not just because of his rediculous hair.
There's nothing of Pirlo in Veloso from what I've seen, he's just a defensive midfielder in the Macherano mode. I've seen him quite a lot for Sporting and for Portugal under-21 and his job in both teams was just winning the ball back and then giving it to Moutinho. Cantona would call him a water carrier.
He'd be a mint signing for someone like Arsenal, just a guy who can win the ball back and let Fabregas and the flair players do their thing. We don't need him at all though.
He'd be a mint signing for someone like Arsenal, just a guy who can win the ball back and let Fabregas and the flair players do their thing. We don't need him at all though.
moutinho is the jewel. veloso doesn't strike me as anything super special.
I don't think that Veloso would add anything to our team that we don't have already. Unless we are buying better players than Scholes, Hargreaves, Anderson, Fletcher or Carrick then we shouldn't really be too interested.
Well he is better than Fletcher
Well..it's true. Make of that what you will
Then you probably didn't think much of France's Petit. The player Veloso is very much like
they always ask me that on hereMove to Genoa finally confirmed, Sporting informed the Portuguese stock exchange this morning, should be unveiled at Genoa next week
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