Michael Oliver

Definitely agree that we need a bit of intimidation back on the refereeing front....you get none of this shit in Rugby. Just bring them across.
Just get Nigel Owens in there, he'll sort this homophobic sport out.
 
RedStarUnited said:
There was like one second of Buffon arriving in the scene and him getting a red. There were Juve players already there saying stuff to him.

I will leave it here, but I dont think he sent him off because of shouting. He sent him off because he thought he got pushed, something which Buffon did not do on purpose.
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It went on for quite a while. I was thinking "Someone's getting a red here", seconds before he pulled it out. Buffon was at the center of it at that time, so it was logical to give it to him. I think I'm being generous with this explanation mate, to be honest with you. I don't really understand how we're even talking about it. They were literally following him, screaming in his face and would've trampled him had he not been backing off for a good 5-6 seconds. It was certainly not just Buffon but he took central role by the time Oliver had had enough and that was that. I'd have done the same.
 
My problem with Oliver is his arrogance and inability to communicate with players. Buffon only has himself to blame, but as some of you say, Oliver seems to avoid a confrontation instead of taking charge of the situation. He could have ordered Buffon to go away before he sent him off. I think he pulled the trigger too quickly despite having every right to do so. Wonder what would have happened if a ref like Collina had been in this situation.
 
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Oscar.Z.Acosta said:
Was a debatable penalty but one can’t blame Oliver for giving it. *reaches for Cliche Book*...I’ve certainly seen them given.

Sending off Buffon seemed harsh, though. The context of the game and moment meant he was always going to react and he wasn’t alone from Juve in this (somewhat understandably). I’d have given a yellow and let him have a chance to at least save the penalty, but I’m rather romantic about these things...
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I've been a big critic of Oliver here

But we don't know what Buffon said. . . Obviously something offensive and serious enough to be a red. . . Probably along the lines of calling Oliver a cheat.
 
Anyone giving Oliver shit here is well out of order. That was an absolute cauldron, huge pressure, massive intimidation. He made the right call with the pen, right call with the card. Could have given at least one more red but for him to be the object of such derision is nonsense. Buffon has always been a man of honour. I really hope he wakes up tomorrow and holds his hand up in public and takes some of the heat off Oliver. Referees can be dicks but he's done his job tonight.
 
Buffon’s actions looked well out of order even without hearing what was said.
 
RW2 said:
I've been a big critic of Oliver here

But we don't know what Buffon said. . . Obviously something offensive and serious enough to be a red. . . Probably along the lines of calling Oliver a cheat.
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Absolutely, but you’ve got to show a little empathy as a human being, in my view, and look at the context of the situation (last game, 3-0 up, 93rd minute...).

Let’s see what Oliver says, I suppose, but even if Buffon was calling me a cheat at that moment, I’d have told him to pipe down, get the yellow out and see if he could end his CL career in style.
 
Buffon totally over reacted ....it was a peno not a goal he might have still saved it if he was on the field. On second thoughts ......
 
Didn't do anything to Hart after headbutting him but sent off Di Maria for tapping his shoulder and Buffon for shouting at him.

Good referees rise and adjust to the occasion. Poor referees enforce the laws arbitrarily and are remembered for it.

Whatever Buffon did, old Michael still had a choice. It wasn't a black and white red card...
 
Buffon deserved a red for that reaction. People defending that nonsense is ridiculous.
 
prateik said:
Buffon deserved a red for that reaction. People defending that nonsense is ridiculous.
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Really? Did he come to any harm or threat of harm? Could the reaction seen not be expected by any equivalent captain or leader in the given circumstances of a dodgy penalty decision?

I could honestly see the likes of Ballack, Rooney, Keane, Keown, Terry, to name a few reacting in that manner.

A world class referee would have interpreted the emotion of the occasion and made decisions based on that.

Is Oliver justified in sending him off? Absolutely... but could he have arrived at a different decision based on the emotion of the occasion... Absolutely!

The best referees understand the difference... Collina etc...
 
Oscar.Z.Acosta said:
Absolutely, but you’ve got to show a little empathy as a human being, in my view, and look at the context of the situation (last game, 3-0 up, 93rd minute...).
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I totally agree with this, but here it looked as Buffon was way over the line.
 
Richard Cranium said:
Really? Did he come to any harm or threat of harm? Could the reaction seen not be expected by any equivalent captain or leader in the given circumstances of a dodgy penalty decision?

I could honestly see the likes of Ballack, Rooney, Keane, Keown, Terry, to name a few reacting in that manner.

A world class referee would have interpreted the emotion of the occasion and made decisions based on that.

Is Oliver justified in sending him off? Absolutely... but could he have arrived at a different decision based on the emotion of the occasion... Absolutely!

The best referees understand the difference... Collina etc...
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Is anyone saying Michael Oliver is a better referee than Collina? He gave a red card when it is warranted. Move on.
 
Was a penalty but don't think Buffon deserved a yellow instead of a red.
 
Buffon deserved red for that reaction. That decision deserved the reaction and more too though...
 
Still the right decision for me, Benatia did not win the ball, it has to be watched at full speed, it is a desperation attempt that he has to make but it is still a foul. As for the red card, consider how long the Andy D'Urso-Keane and co incident was thrown back at Utd. They all jumped on him, plenty of contact, and Buffon was the main individual.

I have thought that Real and Barca have received some very favourable officiating in this tournament over the years but not on that incident.
 
prateik said:
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You don't think that was a penalty?
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No. If that happened in midfield people would be telling Vasquez to bulk up and defend the ball better. Benatia got the ball while Vasquez wasn't doing anything with it, not a penalty for me.
 
Richard Cranium said:
Didn't do anything to Hart after headbutting him but sent off Di Maria for tapping his shoulder and Buffon for shouting at him.

Good referees rise and adjust to the occasion. Poor referees enforce the laws arbitrarily and are remembered for it.

Whatever Buffon did, old Michael still had a choice. It wasn't a black and white red card...
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Whether or not Oliver could have dealt with it better there's a huge difference between how Buffon reacted vs Di Maria. Buffon has no place to complain about that red card.
 
shamans said:
Whether or not Oliver could have dealt with it better there's a huge difference between how Buffon reacted vs Di Maria. Buffon has no place to complain about that red card.
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Di Maria simply protest against Oliver booked him for diving. Buffon protested a penalty call against his team in last minute of official time. The reaction is understandable. Michael Oliver clearly was incapable of controlling the situation, and got scared triggering pulling the red card instead warning to calm thing down first.

Two situation with different scale of impact. Both still questionable on MO ability to calm the protesting players down. Ignore them just make them angrier even if they're wrong in the first place
 
ti vu said:
Di Maria simply protest against Oliver booked him for diving. Buffon protested a penalty call against his team in last minute of official time. The reaction is understandable. Michael Oliver clearly was incapable of controlling the situation, and got scared triggering pulling the red card instead warning to calm thing down first.

Two situation with different scale of impact. Both still questionable on MO ability to calm the protesting players down.
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Still doesn't justify it and players need to learn to respect the officials.
 
The narrative is basically, he's Buffon, it's his last match, so go soft on him... that's not how it should work though, neither does it matter in the grand scheme of things since not even 2 Buffons could have saved that PK, and the match was over. So leave the sentimental bullshit out of it.
 
Even when he gets it right I think he gets it wrong just because of how incredibly annoying his face is.

Got it absolutely right today. The fecking cnut.
 
I dislike Oliver very much, also think he's a shit Ref. But it was a stonewall pen and can't blame him for sending Buffon off, he could have let him off with it like he did Hart that he headbutted him. But sadly for Buffon he doesn't play for England.
 
shamans said:
Still doesn't justify it and players need to learn to respect the officials.
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Officials then needs to learn how to earn the respect. As explain, a ref needs to learn to show his own authority in the right way. Book calm the shite down, then talk and put the fire out. Instead of trying to run away from the fire, and be reactive adding more fuel if the players still persist with the protest. And with Oliver, let's not pretend he always punish whoever grasp him back when he tried to chicken out.

I agree with other posters, VAR seems to be the case of protecting the inept ref who can't no longer earn the respect and instead shift the work to other guys in the studio.
 
Feck Juve and feck Buffon, this saint buffon bull annoys me, ref got the penalty decision correct and had to send someone off after the disgraceful reactions of the Juve players. Can we expect further bans for some players and a massive fine for Juve? I'd assume so
 
ti vu said:
Officials then needs to learn how to earn the respect. As explain, a ref needs to learn to show his own authority in the right way. Book calm the shite down, then talk and put the fire out. Instead of trying to run away from the fire, and be reactive adding more fuel if the players still persist with the protest. And with Oliver, let's not pretend he always punish whoever grasp him back when he tried to chicken out.

I agree with other posters, VAR seems to be the case of protecting the inept ref who can't no longer earn the respect and instead shift the work to other guys in the studio.
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That's BS. An official is the official of the game and is not "equal" of a player to earn respect. Again, Buffon got what he deserved and I hope players think twice before surrounding the referee like that. In almost no sport would that be tolerated.
 
shamans said:
That's BS. An official is the official of the game and is not "equal" of a player to earn respect. Again, Buffon got what he deserved and I hope players think twice before surrounding the referee like that. In almost no sport would that be tolerated.
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With the exception of almost every match thats ever been played when a dodgy decision has been made. Look no further than the chelsea cry babies that even got their own meme they were so bad at surrounding refs for the purpose of intimidation. A match official, of any sport, gets respect by doing the job well. Oliver is inconsistent, overly reactionary and worst of all incapable of controlling the players in his charge. The fist rule of controlling any situation with high tempers is deescalation. Olivers arrogance and refusal to do anything but walk away is why he pulls cards so often. Refs are regarded by their peers for having the ability to control a game without yellows and reds, and to keep the game flowing. Oliver has proven time and again, this isnt his wheel house. If he had the respect of the players is was in charge of, he wouldnt have problems like that. People would respect his decisions, but they dont, and they wont until he grows a sack and stands up to players without acting like a stuck up prat.
 
Oliver is a crap ref, inconsistent and mostly makes dodgy decisions. But he was absolutely spot on with the penalty and absolutely spot on with the red card. Buffon had no business confronting the ref, leave alone touching him. Juventus are plain lucky that the ref did not send 1 or 2 more for pushing him. Refs can't be expected to take decisions based on whether Buffon is retiring or not.
The idea that Oliver should have taken a decision based on Juventus making a beautiful comeback is ridiculous.
 
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