Not directly affect the outcome, but definitely stifled our momentum when City was given advantage to execute their game (defensive) plan (cynical foul to break our counter and having no fear for punishment).
Michael Oliver
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He's a bad ref because players can never expect how much he allows. It's seemingly random what is a foul and what isn't. He's wildly inconsistent and generally only gives very safe yellow but now and again he makes a blinder of a call which highlight his inconsistencies.
I don't the players in either side were happy with him today.
I don't the players in either side were happy with him today.
Jesus and Sterling both dived but he looked away, or perhaps you didn't see that.
Not sure if that matters, but they wasted more than one minute.
Having said that i don't think it really mattered. He could have added another 15 minutes onto the end of the game United just didn't look like scoring in the second half.
I'm not of the opinion that he cost us the match, but I am starting to lose a little faith in refereeing in the Premier League. I can't help but feel that we need VAR to assist referees. As things stand, we are allowed no explanation as to why Oliver didn't book Jesus for diving, or for cutting Martial down from behind to stop a break. There were many incidents in the game that could be highlighted, but I'd love to know just a little. Instead I'm left with the feeling that there are 23 people on the pitch who can affect the game, rather than 22. That's just not as much fun as Blatter seemed to think.
Jesus did enough in that game to be sent off. Blatant dive in the box with no contact. Cynical foul on Martial, with no attempt to play the ball.
I would say that both Jesus and Silva did enough to get sent off. Probably Lingard as well.
He was fine today.
The real problem is that you need more than a good ref against city.
You need a good ref who's going to throw cards around to cut out the cynical fouling in particular.
Because lets face it, he was good at not giving anything away for dives which is the best anyone can hope for most weeks.
Lots of yellows would have favoured us a lot but another week i'd be bitching about it and how its breaking up play or whatever.
The real problem is that you need more than a good ref against city.
You need a good ref who's going to throw cards around to cut out the cynical fouling in particular.
Because lets face it, he was good at not giving anything away for dives which is the best anyone can hope for most weeks.
Lots of yellows would have favoured us a lot but another week i'd be bitching about it and how its breaking up play or whatever.
Wasn't that Sterling? Sterling also took out Lingard I think near the edge of the City box, wasn't booked during the match.
it was Jesus. Martial got the ball and started running, Jesus went straight for his feet and tripped him up when the ball was no where near him.
To be fair though, Sterling also got away with a few cynical fouls.
I think that happens more often than not whenever he refs a game, regardless of who's involved.
What you've pointed out is definitely a regular occurrence when he referees. He calls near identical incidents differently throughout games, meaning players are just left confused and angry. They're watching teammates getting booked in the 70th minute for diving, when an opponent won a free-kick for pretty much the same thing 20 minutes earlier. They're watching him warn an opponent for a tackle in the 84th minute that got one of their teammates booked in the opening 10.
When both sets of players are annoyed at him, regardless of whether they won, there's clearly something wrong with the way in which he officiates games.
Ironically, same ref on another days delivered these soft sent off in memorable occasions many can easy recall. Such a jojo ref.
Sterling took out Martial near their box on other occasion. Jesus stepped on Martial's heel when Martial beat the first pressing and about to started our counter in first half.
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As I mentioned above the Jesus incident he didn't get a clear view
Not every potential yellow will be given and your team could have had it's share of yellows in many games yet I hear little complaints on this forum. There's no need to use offensive language because you're upset
Are you upset that I swore at Michael Oliver. Are you related to him?
He shows no consistency, whatsoever. If you can't see that, that's not my problem.
Looks like a cnut that would wear a Crosshatch shirt to a funeral.
cnut is a Newcastle fan, isn't he?
Bet he watches the Keegan meltdown before every fecking game he refs of ours.
Twat.Knob.Donkey.Benchod.
Bet he watches the Keegan meltdown before every fecking game he refs of ours.
Twat.Knob.Donkey.Benchod.
Apparently another world class performance today.
A lot of times reactionary things will be said about referees being terrible, not up to par etc. But Oliver is genuinely out of his depth, he's too emotional and becomes almost as riled up as the players at times, he's nowhere near good enough to be refereeing at PL level.
Probably the worse ref in the league ever.
I literally want to throw up when is the ref for our games. Inconsistent and arrogant twat.
No video?
Fair play that guy making a list of bullet points and making the first one something to do with the linesman.
Another incompetent performance from one of the best referees in the game 
I wait his book when he retires admiting he's a useless cnut.
so have any of you actually seen his game today or just going off of that tweet and assuming he wasn't a biased fan whining?
I saw the highlights and all I took away from those were “Yikes!” wrt Oliver’s calls. Looked horrendous.
He's an absolute fecking travesty
I watched most of the game, the Deeney red card was the most ridiculous IMO. Missed the ball, missed the player. Sent off for his reputation or the reaction of the player who fell to the floor like he was shot.
Sky pretty much agreed with everything that that text said. Of course the offside wasn't his fault but the penalty and 2 red cards were.
not talking about this incident in particular but you can be sent off for dangerous play even if you happen to miss the other player, same with violent conduct, if the player reacted as you say he did I would suspect he will get himself a retrospective ban from the diving panel
People see what they want to. Some people defend Oliver merely by proclaiming, self-righteously, that United fans are biased, rather than looking at facts.
He is absolute shite and his refereeing of non-United matches only strengthens my opinion that he is amongst the worst referees in the league.
Typical Oliver. He's useless.
There was contact and it was what you would call "firm" but if I was Deeny I would be appealing this ban. I watched it a few times and I am not sure where Oliver has seen a red card, I doubt he got a call from the assistant because the angle he came in from was not a good angle to see the foul and the way he drew the red out almost instantly suggested he didn't get a call from anyone.
I agree, I have no idea how Oliver gave it so quickly as if he was convinced it was a red because he was at least 35 yards away close to the circle. To come running in without a shout from somewhere means he just bottled it and pulled the trigger. I do believe Deeny got the ball as well.
It plays up to another problem I am seeing regularly with the referees are that they are booking the reactions of players rather than looking at a foul objectively. A similar thing that was the opposite decision happened in the WHam and Stoke game where Shaqiri jumped into the air and cannonballed to the turf clutching his leg and rolled around and the instant WHam skipped away with the ball from an obvious attempt to milk a foul he got up straight away and went to the ref apoplectic shaking his hand around.
Simply somehow players over the top reactions to fouls needs to be policed and rubbed out somehow. The game moves at much to fast a speed for the referees to keep on top of it.
Tied at being the worst ref in the league with Atkinson. The best refs are the ones that are neutral and don't let their ego and the crowds influence them. The thing with refs is most of them don't usually get much publicity, but those two consistently do, because they're consistently making controversial decisions.
You just knew he’d try to send off a Huddersfield player once he sent off Deeney. Him and Atkinson always try to even things up.
It is incredible that the refs that are the worst are the ones that get pushed to the front. There's a fair chance this guy will go to the World Cup. Atkinson is just consistently dreadful and now it seems that Craig pawson, a ref I was sure would be let go during last season, is now being given bigger and bigger games.
But above them all there's Michael Oliver, a really truly horrific referee
But above them all there's Michael Oliver, a really truly horrific referee
Saw the highlights and it was laughable.
The worst in my opinion was actually the offside-goal (even if that is the linesmans fault) - how could they possible miss that ?
Deeneys was probably the least bad decision - at least that was a yellow.
Mooys second yellow was maybe a foul - and that is about it
And the penalty - that was a dive.
The worst in my opinion was actually the offside-goal (even if that is the linesmans fault) - how could they possible miss that ?
Deeneys was probably the least bad decision - at least that was a yellow.
Mooys second yellow was maybe a foul - and that is about it
And the penalty - that was a dive.
Hes a shit ref but regarding these points:
1. Linesmans decision - not olivers.
2. Deeneys was a tackle from behind, unnecessary, i understand why he gave it a red.
3. Hoggs 2nd yellow was harsh, i agree but then it was a foul and he was a bit late. Refs are looking for an excuse to even the numbers and hogg gave him one.
4. Definite pen for depoitre
Most certainly not a fan of his......
TBH it’s the inconsistency of all the refs from game to game which is the most frustrating thing.
If we look back at the last 2 weekends.....
Compare the Everton penalty last week to the Rose push on Mangala. Liverpool fans have a right to feel annaoyed
Herrera dive compared to Jesus.....
Herrera dive to De bryune pen yesterday.
Kane and alli tackles yesterday to Pogba vs Arsenal......
That’s just a few examples from the last few weeks that impacted the outcome of big games......Some you win some you loose or that’s how it should be you just don’t know if your coming or going from one week to the next.....
That said being a rugby fan to (again the refs decisions often impair on the result) I think the football culture generally blames the refs or a dodgy decision one way or the other to deflect attention from a poor result or performance.
TBH it’s the inconsistency of all the refs from game to game which is the most frustrating thing.
If we look back at the last 2 weekends.....
Compare the Everton penalty last week to the Rose push on Mangala. Liverpool fans have a right to feel annaoyed
Herrera dive compared to Jesus.....
Herrera dive to De bryune pen yesterday.
Kane and alli tackles yesterday to Pogba vs Arsenal......
That’s just a few examples from the last few weeks that impacted the outcome of big games......Some you win some you loose or that’s how it should be you just don’t know if your coming or going from one week to the next.....
That said being a rugby fan to (again the refs decisions often impair on the result) I think the football culture generally blames the refs or a dodgy decision one way or the other to deflect attention from a poor result or performance.