He did fine in the derby, the only thing he got wrong was the penalty, and to be fair he does only get one look at it and he has to be sure. I think he's improved massively and is one of the best refs in the league.
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What about the Payet penalty at Old Trafford that essentially kept you in the Cup? Is that referee a clown? Does he have a vendetta against West Ham?
Honestly, you are all acting like a bunch of petulant babies. It's embarrassing.
I thought he had two penalties wrong last weekend
Meh, he's got a long long way to go before he can reach the heights of Martin Atkinson.
You mean the Payet dive that could have gotten him sent off when Payet could have been sent off earlier and the he dived moments later to get a free kick which he scored from? That game was poorly refereed.
You're doing yourself no favor by being a petty and calling people names like that.
Mostly by being wrong, thou.
For me hes the best ref in the league by a mile! This is mainly because hes consitent, whether you agree with his decisions or not hes consistent and in my opinion he gets the majority of big calls correct. Also a big factor for me is that his first thought seems to be to let the game flow which some refs simply dont understand.
And your opinion that he is a bottler is based on the fact that he has not awarded MU a pen? That's hardly fair. And for example Shearer, not a grand authority on referee's decisions of course but still a former player, who knows the game, did not even though it was a pen. So it's not like it was 100% and nothing less.
I don't really care. I hate when people cry about decisions and turn a blind eye when they get one. Stop putting referees under pressure.. they do a hard job. Win through skill and tactics.. not bullying referees. If I think people are acting like petulant babies, I'll say so. And many in this thread are.
He's made a string of high-profile bad calls recently, but in general I think he's actually a pretty decent referee.
That said, it's almost impossible for fans to evaluate whether referees are good or bad. No normal football fan catches more than 20% of any individual referee's games in full - and highlights are useless for measuring a ref's competence - and of what they do see they'll put massively more emphasis on what happened in games featuring the side they support. That's all before you factor in actual bias. It's a completely pointless discussion, and that's why you'll find plenty of people who think that any individual referee in the game is one of the worst around, whether domestic or foreign.
That said, it's almost impossible for fans to evaluate whether referees are good or bad. No normal football fan catches more than 20% of any individual referee's games in full - and highlights are useless for measuring a ref's competence - and of what they do see they'll put massively more emphasis on what happened in games featuring the side they support. That's all before you factor in actual bias. It's a completely pointless discussion, and that's why you'll find plenty of people who think that any individual referee in the game is one of the worst around, whether domestic or foreign.
you thought Vardy dived for the Leics pen at the Emirates, this clearly invalidates anything you're saying
He initiates the contact, certainly. Whether you think that is a penalty or not in this day and age is a matter of personal opinion.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, though. I'm not blaming anyone for having an opinion about a certain offence.. or saying 'this is a penalty'.. 'this isn't a penalty'. I'm directing my comments more so at the posters who target their attack directly at the individual referees because of one decision (which, again, wasn't even clear cut. Yes, Demichelis initiates the contact and it was a rash decision but there was not enough contact to make Rashford fall in the way that he did - which is probably where the referee, and Alan Shearer, are coming from.)
I can see what you say for that one.
Let's see if you agree with this when it happens to Arsenal.
I think that is similar point to what @ThePurist is making himself, tbh
That's very well put. I think the Sterling handball was a harsh decision, and I think that the not awarding a pen to Rashford after the Demichelis challenge was just a wrong call (and I usually insist on the "it's up to the ref's interpretation", I just can't understand how it's not a pen in that specific case), but I agree with your assessment on him and your overall point.
So just because someone dived in the box, it's a penalty now? What's embarrassing is you using an example that was a clear dive and actually the ref should have booked the lad. I know you already responded to this and maybe it makes you a nice person? However, you are prejudiced against people that have a bit of passion. It's not our fault your level of passion is represented fairly and evenly by the arsenal players
I didn't think that was a pen, but you obviously do. So you can add that to his list of greatest hits from the last month or so.
Best ref in the league? Unless he lives alone, I'd argue he wasn't even the best ref in his house.
No idea where you got the idea of a vendetta though when two of the incidents I mentioned were in games not even involving United.
No, surprisingly enough, I've watched an established Premier league ref more than once. In terms of that game though, as somebody said previously, the really spineless bit wasn't not making a pretty obvious call that he was in a good position for, it was then standing back and doing absolutely feck all while the players had a shoving match.
The exact referee in question made a mistake not to send Eric Dier off in the NLD for an identical tackle to that of Coquelin.
Definitely, either both or neither all day long, as they say. He isn't being fair for me leaving it at 11 v 10 when the 2nd incident happens.
(my 'fair' = consistent I suppose, rather than suggesting a lack of integrity)
Always easy to favour the Big Team at home (I 'like' Mike Dean for being about the only one who goes against this, tbh). Then 'we' say that he is showboating cos of this tendency. Atkinson might be another who does it but most of his decisions start out as being wrong anyway, so it's not really a strength for him.
But it's easy from here (the settee on a Bank Holiday), innit?
You should care. You are on a United forum criticizing United fans for being upset about a decision going against them in a big match and you're marked as an Arsenal fan. I'm not saying that you have to suck up to people here or always play nice but having a go quite petulantly at people for a very natural football fan reaction won't earn you any friends.
Oliver's wife referees Women's matches, so he probably isn't even the best ref in his house!
I posted a few weeks ago in another thread that the three refs who I dread the most officiating United matches are Martin Atkinson, Mike Dean and Michael Oliver. Their recent performances have merely strengthened my opinion of their treatment of us.
I actually think Mike Dean is a lot better in recent years. I find he mostly gets it right and has lost some of that manic desperation to piss off the crowd.
Gonna start logging it everytime this cretin bottles a decision. Vardy should have been a foul and yellow card for that tackle. Scared of the home crowd again.
Nothing wrong with that tackle.
The tackle was fine, nothing wrong with it.
Stonewall penalty. Don't give a shit about how far his hand was away from his body. When you stop a certain goal with your hand, it's a pen.
Never a penalty, never a foul (the tackle from Vardy). Oliver is having a decent game.
The tackle was 2 footed wasn't it? Need to see a replay.
No it's not.
Nah. His follow though took out the Saints player but that happens some times, it's a contact sport.
Hmm, I imagine if that sort of tackle happened against us we'd be appealing.
That Simpson handball is a tricky one, I think it could be a penalty because of the circumstances of the ball being shot at the goal - the 2nd angle does the defender no favours at all.
On one view though...
What do you do about video analysis, it's not clearcut either way - still be controversy around it, just that the on the field ref might not be making any decision at all or whatever - if you know what I mean (probably not, cos I'm not sure I do)
On one view though...
What do you do about video analysis, it's not clearcut either way - still be controversy around it, just that the on the field ref might not be making any decision at all or whatever - if you know what I mean (probably not, cos I'm not sure I do)
Every time he refs us, he fecks us over. Fecking cnut of the highest order.
He's an asshat of the highest order, and he's not even all ass, just the anus.
Worst ref in the league
I hate to blame refs but we blew that call. That was clearly in the box.